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Here is a question I have and I have often wondered about this. Where is the money coming from for these prepper that are spending 50 to 60 grand a year on prepping. Where do they get the cash for land, weapons, ammo, food, and all the other equipment they have. I mean I work a 40 hour a week job and receive a retirement check and plus my wife works 40 hours a week as a RN and we still can't afford half the stuff these other people are showing. The only 2 things I can figure is, that they are in debt up to their necks or the money was handed over by some no longer living family member. But think about it, on the new show Doomsday Prepper how much really high dollar items have you seen, me I have seen alot. Just wondering does the government give money grants to prep, they give them for everything else lol..just joking on that one.

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The Doomsday Prepper folks may get free/discounted products as part of a tie-in either through the channel or simply because the vendor hopes for some mid-episode advertising. Some of the "reality families" don't technically make anything, but the production company may pay them a weekly stipend, or (as in Little People Big World) the family members are listed as producers or consultants for the show and therefore get a salary that way. Some "reality stars" don't really make much money until their show is proven to be a hit, then they can command pretty sizable incomes (it's rumored that Senior from American Choppers has a seven-figure salary, while his sons make considerably less) - and even if the network doesn't come through, they will be able to charge for making appearances, may have endorsement or book deals, etc. I doubt that the stars of Swamp People came to Oregon to help open a new Cabela's last year just because they thought a road trip sounded fun...

 

As for the others, some people really do seem to be able to come up with ridiculous amounts of cash and credit compared to what they seem to be earning. I can't even imagine how they do it, but I sure wish I knew how (drugs? internet poker? stocks?). My only "plan" for being in a similar situation revolves around winning the lottery, so I'm having to do things a little at a time like you are, Ruger. LOL

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My wife and I are public school teachers, therefore we make peanuts compared to our education and work hours. This is how we do it: slow going. We do not have stores for years, a bug out location, tons of firearms, etc... We set a little aside for prepping (food, water, gear) each month, if we can, and do what we can. We also have a baby on the way so our ear marked funds will go down even further. Do what you can a let God be God.

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Personally i spend what i can on prep materials. I dont go crazy and use a lot of the things in other pursuits such as target shooting hiking and backpacking. All of these are good family time as well. I believe if i can spent only one day surviving whatever with my family then i am blessed. I hope all of you do what you can.

If it is only a can of beans a week then you are one small step in the right direction. Could you really see you and yours in a FEMA camp. Not me. That's the picture in my mind that keeps me going.

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I know there are others on here in the same boat but being without a job makes prepping tough. It can be done. It's the best time to get the small dollar items you overlook normally. Like Awake said an extra can of beans here and there. The extra box of band-aids you put off before because you were look at the bigger things when you had the money. I never realized the number small things i had put off til now. I manage $15-$20 a month for items and consider myself extremely lucky.

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A ten pound bag of dry beans yields 12,2 cup portions of vac. sealed beans.So thats 12 days of beans.A little at a time.Rice is next.

Canning meat when you get the EXTRA is whats next.

I have the same problem, wondering where they got the MONEY...WE all could spend 30grand on food and Weapons and gear.Sugar 30 grand would purchase me 5 achors and a well than Im set..JMHO

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Ruger92

 

let me not sound like my father but here it is

"don't worry about what they do, worry about what your doing right."

 

People who throw money at a problem waste more then they accomplish.

 

I stated in a previous thread that these bundled / prepackage food pallets for 3-6 months

or 1 year are not cost effective.

 

we are not going to eat like we do now but we can keep it close and these KITS do

 

not have what I want these 5 gallon buckets of beans / legumes I think many will be

 

disheartened with.

 

dry beans in my pantry only last a year and it depends on how old they from sitting

 

on the shelf Beans start taking longer to cook first sign of age then the core never

 

gets cooked this is when they are too old and at last you might as well try to cook

 

gravel.

 

sealed buckets are not perfect they can still allow uneven ageing my best advice

 

if you have these cook and can them in mason jars then they will last as long as the

 

lid stays in tact I have personally eaten 25 + year old food as long as the lid is

 

sealed no problem.

 

Buy what you eat and never listen to people who have a personal dislike for a particular

 

food like powdered eggs they are not for making eggs they are for cooking in

 

baked goods cakes and corn bread or making a egg wash for breading meats

 

1 can equals 96 extra large eggs or 8 dozen now figure how many eggs you use for

 

baking per week and now you have an idea of what you need.

 

I have eaten tons of powdered eggs they are not perfect but edible but adding some

 

dried onion and other spices make them good eats.

 

you need to buy a case a month of something case of eggs case of milk case of

 

peanut butter powder case of refried pinto beans case of vegetables for soup and stews

 

then as things go on sale buy a case of what you like some are too expensive so

 

mix a case of what ever i like cream of wheat its cheap and a warm breakfast left overs

 

can be fried like a pancake and used as a HAM holder {bread}.

 

your going to be inventive and throwing away food will be dumb when I was a kid

 

a biscuit and honey between breakfast and lunch leftovers for lunch and sometimes

 

breakfast for dinner

 

here is a list off the top of my head that only 1-2 cans a month will help your prep

 

1 eggs unless you have a GOOD source

 

2 milk this is for cooking cakes and muffins are breads and bread is the staff of life.

 

3 powdered peanut butter we have all spoken about it at length as a survival food.

 

4 refried pinto beans for fiber and have as much daily requirements as meat

 

5 powdered butter if you do not like butter you have a mental disorder have it checked.

 

6 mixed vegetables for soups stews some times wild game needs something else to make

it a meal

 

7 freeze dried fruit of choice it has virtually no weight tastes good dry or reconstituted

 

8 powdered buttermilk if it is used as a marinade it minimizes wild flavors in meat and

holds flour for breading we are not trying to get into skinny jeans we are maximizing

our caloric intake and filling our belly fried crust is a filler boiled chicken won't fill any

one up.

 

9 find all the vegetables that are seasonal your favorites and get some

 

10 do not fall for too much premade meals but have some in case hunting and fishing

are unsuccessful so do not eat these first this is your Sunday best or last hope for a

hot good tasting meal.

 

everything else can be found and stored

 

Salt, 2 bags of granulated water softener salt is as pure as you can get 80 pounds

if nothing happens its a great fence edger and 101 uses

 

flour 50 pounds / 2 bags in the freezer for 10 days to kill all critters I don't want to

gross you out but all ground grains have critters.

store in a 5 gallon bucket sealed in a mylar bag found at www.beprepared.com.

 

baking soda they sell it in 13 pound bags get at least 3 it does not go bad as long as it

stays dry deodorizer cleaner and as a rising agent in soda bread and biscuits

 

baking powder in metal cans lasts many years if not potent enough after it gets old just

add more.

 

vinegar a 5 gallon jug pickling holds many foods for weeks with no refrigeration needed

apple cider and or regular pickled eggs pickled sausage pigs feet ummmm.

 

corn meal treat the same as flour 6 to 7 bags fill a mylar bag and a 5 gallon bucket

corn bread dusting for breads corn mush a little sugar or syrup its edible left overs

fry it in bacon grease and you got corn cakes.

 

and last but not least Yoders canned bacon as much as you can afford it make plain

meals a kings feast, the can has some bacon grease in it do not waste it.

my mother had a "drippings" jar a crock with a lid when she cooked bacon the excess

bacon fat was saved and a little was used to fry the eggs.

 

I am not sure how cooking savvy any of you are but you can bake biscuits in a

seasoned cast iron frying pan on top of the stove and cornbread and cake with the lid

on it is very much like an oven makes it a little crusty on the bottom but if your on the

road or over an open fire what do you want a 5* meal you should have planned better.

 

bacon bullets and beans that's the old saying they scrounged for everything else

flour was sifted to get out weevils and large grit form stoning, it was also the first thing

to run out.

and the bacon was salt pork after the bacon was gone a salt box kept salt pork from

going bad and it was added to beans you did not need to add salt salt pork has plenty

 

your going to have to learn a new way of living and cooking microwaves were not

common until i was older so cooking was how we did it my dad was born in 1927

and we spoke about how things were done and did many ourselves I learned to can

when I was old enough to help clean and dice vegetables and fruit.

 

my dad liked pickled eggs and brandied fruit and cornbread for breakfast warmed with

butter and honey or crumbled in buttermilk.

coke with a package of tom's peanuts in it we use to make sassafras tea and drop a

block of dry ice in it it tasted like root beer my dad was poor when he was young

but always had money because he never frittered it away and he bought the good stuff

junk will only ever be junk but quality lasts a lifetime {in cases of firearms and tools}

 

I'll post a bit more about all this later.

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Something to keep in mind is that there is often a disparity in incomes that accounts for some of it. Someone who sells toothbrushes for commission has to sell a lot more items to make a living than a surgeon. Someone who owns his own business often can make less than an executive with another company.

 

It can get frustrating to learn about people who have all this money and are able to just spend for stuff. I pretty much quit reading survival fiction on another forum because so much of it was really just "survivalist dream" stuff like huge underground bunker that allowed them to grow food, keep livestock, etc for a fairly sizable group. However, you can't let something like that dictate how you prep. Stock what you can, as much as you can, prepare for what you can. If/When you are able to do more, do more, but don't sweat it to much.

 

Like someone else said, some of these people are just throwing money at a potential problems without understanding reality behind what they're doing. It's almost funny if the results couldn't end up being so tragic.

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I was kind of wondering the same thing sir. Part of the reason I don't spend that kind of money on preps, other than I don't have it, is that would be a big investment especially if something went wrong and all your supplies were taken out like from a fire or tornado. Plus there are other things I would like to spend my money on to enjoy life while it is still enjoyable. I prep when I can, slow and steady.

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Okay, I'm replying to this. You are all absolutely right. Times are tough. And, Snake, it's me that was forced to eat the powdered eggs as a kid and hated it. But if I was hungry, I'd do it again. The point of that article was about the ladies, many of whom may have had bad experience, or how 'bout none at all. But you make very good points as always, so cut me some slack on it. I continue to learn from you and the rest of the folks here.

 

With regard to where does the money come from? Can't be sure, but one guy in the container house said preparing and storing food went up in value as opposed to it being in his 401K which lost money that month in the amount of $27,000. My guess would be they cashed in everything to live off the grid.

 

The crovel guy, well, he has a second income. The LDS manual and maybe James Wesley, Rawles book "How to Survive the End of the World as We Know It" both point out that an additional home based business income, possibly two additional incomes are desirable to allow you to make faster progress toward your prepper goals. I take this to heart.

 

Although I don't have a home based business, we have sold off so much of our unwanted "stuff" from furniture to collectibles, to sports equipment we no longer use. It's amazing how much "stuff" we all have, and if you start by thinning out, you can make more room for storage of needed pantry and equipment items. You can have a garage sale, or use Craigslist. Amazing how much money comes back into your hands. Don't keep it in your pocket, either, because it will drift away. Spend it on the items you are seeking, as soon as possible.

 

Cut your debt by paying down as quickly as prudent. You'd be amazed how much a "cash" lifestyle can free up. And, when offering cash for a high value item, or sale, ask for a cash discount. The merchants have to pay a fee to the big ole credit card companies for every sale made.

 

And how bout barter? You want something, you trade something, including your services. Small local merchants will consider paying you in merchandise if you are willing to unload a truck, or do some other work at their shop.

 

The American free-trade system is still alive and kicking. Jump right in and show your patriotism. :)

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A ten pound bag of dry beans yields 12,2 cup portions of vac. sealed beans.So thats 12 days of beans.A little at a time.Rice is next.

Canning meat when you get the EXTRA is whats next.

I have the same problem, wondering where they got the MONEY...WE all could spend 30grand on food and Weapons and gear.Sugar 30 grand would purchase me 5 achors and a well than Im set..JMHO

 

I hear ya Matt and Silver..... we came home today with 2 soup mixes and 2 bags of tuna and a few dried fruits.... It was a winner day for me and J.... we are now a few days ahead of the rest... yesterday the MSR burner was a WIN.... Anything someone does is a WIN... not being a cheerleader ... just rooting for the real folk....

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survival101 I had not seen where you ate powdered eggs and no comment was toward your post

just to let you know I was speaking only of myself sorry if something got fouled.

 

I hope I was not too harsh or negative and I have in prior post spoke of canned roast beef in gravy

canned chunked chicken tuna and pork then there are the small canned hams sardines chili

these are inexpensive and will last a long time and can be eaten along the way just mark the top

with a marker date and eat the oldest ones first

 

 

hey white rice after being in the freezer 10 days and a couple on the counter {kills all the bugs if any

placed in a bucket will last many many years and a 20 pound bag of rice is 10 to 15 bucks

depends where you live.

 

you can starve on white rice but it is a filer and a good one I like it

 

someone on another thread spoke of vacuum bags these may be good for crackers as they need to

be protected from air and exterior flavors.

 

and your right survival101 better to get a win any win....

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From what i understand from Some friends I have in LDS a fair number of the extremely well stocked peppers are also financially involved in selling prep supplies to others. IT is very easy to build a mountain of supplies when instead of large profits you are taking a portion of product for your own consumption. Kinda like low level pot dealers.

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Why does everyone come off sounding bitter on this? While I read the above as sarcasm, and see the humor in it and the truth, I just don't see why anybody has room to complain. Our circumstances are our own, and are of our own making. Until we see fit to change them ourselves, they won't be changing.

 

"A journey of a thousand miles takes but a single step."

 

If Joe Schmoe has a second business and is able to order things wholesale, then it is because he set that up.

 

If Jane Plain is sitting in front of her TV playing X-Box, harping on how others are better prepped and she has no money for a kick ass gun or such, then I would suggest she move her arse from in front of the computer or TV and go spend a few hours babysitting or raking yard or unloading boxes of a truck for a local merchant.

 

It's up to you how much you can put in it. And, why worry what the other guy has anyway??? What you have is what you have. You should be proud of what you've done, and eager to do more. Otherwise, the sheeple pen is right over there.

 

IMHO

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Maybe they are all in this so far that they are certain end is near, and ran up all their cards and credit. I was pretty happy with my preps ,then saw theirs . I am set up to last maybe close to a year, all these people are set up to for years, it must have cost them a small fortune.

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Why does everyone come off sounding bitter on this? While I read the above as sarcasm, and see the humor in it and the truth, I just don't see why anybody has room to complain. Our circumstances are our own, and are of our own making. Until we see fit to change them ourselves, they won't be changing.

 

"A journey of a thousand miles takes but a single step."

 

 

 

If Joe Schmoe has a second business and is able to order things wholesale, then it is because he set that up.

 

If Jane Plain is sitting in front of her TV playing X-Box, harping on how others are better prepped and she has no money for a kick ass gun or such, then I would suggest she move her arse from in front of the computer or TV and go spend a few hours babysitting or raking yard or unloading boxes of a truck for a local merchant.

 

It's up to you how much you can put in it. And, why worry what the other guy has anyway??? What you have is what you have. You should be proud of what you've done, and eager to do more. Otherwise, the sheeple pen is right over there.

 

IMHO

 

Wonderful point, 101. We all must live in our own circumstances, and within our own means. I do spend a little thought on some of the "over the top" prep examples I see, and try to determine:

1. Is that a reasonably likely thing to want to do?

2. Since I can't afford to do it the same way, how can I receive the same benefits in a different way?

 

Sometimes, I just have to wish the other guy well, and do without.

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I have very little what you could call extra income.

I buy a little at a time.

May be spend $20 or $30 dollars a week. Thats for ammo, food,and stuff.

Some times its less or even nothing. I just keep in mind that a little can go a long way.

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i wouldnt want to spend 40-50K on preps, even if i had it.

now if i did most of it would be on a BOL cabin or home. other than that i dont want to go over board.

remember, preps are a "what if" situation, not a be all end all. i dont want to retire and all i have are a bunch of preps, no investments no cash put away. i'll soon have what i "need" for preps, but sure i'll want more. thing is, dont spend all your free money on something we hope we wont ever need. dont let prepping take over your life and all your free time. sure its fun but dont over do it.

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Sorry i had no intent to sound bitter or upset with their level of prep. MY only issue is that the Show is not giving the full story.

 

Mr. d, not pointing fingers at you, noticed today quite a number of posts headed in this general direction. Whatever you are doing, if you are prepping, then you are way ahead of most of the rest of the world. As to how they do it? You have to listen hard for the clues. Nat Geo didn't put that up there in caption. Anyway, what really matters is how you choose to do it.

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hi all

i don't know for sure.but in many cases,people making the same money.one can spend 100$ week,but the other cannot because they go to resturants,favorite bar.they don't buy on sale foods & other items.then they can't as much as one that does.for instance,i drive truck.i sleep & eat in the truck.most drivers take 200$ or more a week.i use 40 to 60$.. so where are you really.some people spend 100$ and more for tennis shoes, i spend 10$.

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I would like to be the voice of reason and good sense.

 

If I had any.........

 

but just to let everyone know I do not think 2012 will be the year, all this hype may make some anxious

I think it is further out.

 

but I still believe we may have some time to prep so steady on, if nothing else if you are having financial

difficulties now the expectation of higher gas prices as was reported by all the news channels

should still make you prep as you may not have the excess money to do so later .

 

canned foods and dry like rice salt sugar oatmeal cornmeal flour powdered sugar brown sugar

there is a lot you can get from the grocery store now and use it when you are down to half restock

 

 

I have been buying cocoa so I can make my own brownies mixes have gone crazy use to 3 for a dollar

now they are a almost buck apiece.

 

my best wishes are with you and my prayers even if you fall, fall on your face as it is still forward progress

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Hey Snake I agree with you on 2012 and I hope we are right about this, but you just never know what is around the corner, waiting to peak it's ugly head out. One of my main concerns is the crazy weather we have had for that few years and it seems to stay crazy snow today....in the 60's the next day. I have or can't ever remember thunderstorms in December and January, but we sure had them in East Tennessee this year. So the weather is one of the reasons I prep, I seen alot of people last year after the tarnadoes ripped thru there communties that did prep, but wish they did. I have talked with a few of them.

 

The gas prices are just crazy and with Iran making there threats whoi knows what a gallon of gas wil cost us this time next week, and I know the prices are going up on everything to include ammo. Used to buy a 50lb bag of tater for 6.00 now they are close to $10.00 for a 50 pound bag. So let's just keep our finger crossed and hope for the best. You know what they say "Prepare For The Worst and Hope For The Best" and thats what me and my family does.

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My wife and I bought land and built our own home ourselves. The only thing I had built before was a table and chairs. The chairs broke when I sat on them. :o

 

You can do it but you have to be smart about it. We built the home out of cash flow - so no mortgage. We figure we have saved about $50-60K over the years just on heating costs. At least a hundred thousand was saved on mortgage interest. And that is just the start.

 

Forget what you think you know about 401's, the stock market, etc. It is all really just a trap. Do it yourself -that is how you get ahead.

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