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Take notes people. Our freedom and Liberty at stake? You decide. I am not

anti-government! However, the possibility of martial law has scared the he77 out

of me. Why do we hear of bunkers being built for the elite? Why are some politicians

opting not to seek re-election? Lots of reading in the first 4 links and I suggest not

trying to read all of each, but the first 2 or 3 paragraphs.

 

1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

 

2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

 

3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

 

4) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2012

 

 

 

And these below, just totally insane! And people wonder why the government wants to

sensor the net. I'm only a concerened citizen and once defender of the Constitution. If I've

put 2 and 2 together correctly from the above documents, if martial law was ever declared

there would no constitution or bill of rights, "they would be suspended!!" Maybe I'm just a

gullible old fool! Have a look at the links below. At least watch the first one. I don't under-

stand what's going on and maybe someone can shed some light on it for me. If a picture is

worth a thousand words what about videos?

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ADC9-zWqojI

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FXnm5HmvcxM

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0P-hvPJPTi4

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EIPvFF_W8Hc

 

By the way, hi ya'll........am I in trouble yet?

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Hitman, welcome to the forums and trust me, we are all IN trouble; just not from the operators/members of this sane forum. Thanks for the links, I'll be spending the next few minutes/hours reading, watching and analyzing and will let you know my thoughts.

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Jesus! Hell of a first post! Are you one of those Anonymos? I clicked on some of the vids on the right hand side, good lord!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

Red list, Blue list? The vid at one camp had red signs and blue signs. Wonder if that's an

indication of the lists?

 

One of those places is in Georgia!

 

NWO,, huh?

 

LMAO at the stuttering congressman in the Jesse vid. Lying B@ST@RD!

And to find out, he sponsered the bill!

The more of the vids I watched the madder I got! Coffins?? Looks like

someone is planning for a lot of death. It's evident you know what you're

talking about or the point you're trying to get across. And some of the

vids on the on the righthand side are outrageous. To induce mass hysteria,

riots and confusion would be one way to declare martial law. Then as you said,

we'd have no rights!

 

These things point to something I've always been skeerd of and it won't do no good to

try and hide.

 

Oh, and, welcome...

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I've seen some of the vids before. The 2d to last is from a full length video by Linda (I do not remember last name). She and her friends did several videos during the 1990's, including items on Waco and OKC.

I will give my opinion, becareful of conspricay theories, as even if the subject is true, most people have spun it to meet their ideas, so getting viewpoints from both sides and the middle is essential for any type of chance for "pure truth".

That being said, it is scary. The Patriot Act gives authority for the military to usurp civilian officials as long as there is 2 signed affadavits declaring "fear of terror" and that the person accused can be detained. Most of the military will not abuse this but it only takes a small part. Too many military members are honorable and their integrity will keep them enforcing the Oath they took and not be used as gestapo for the elected crooks and idiots. There are several members of our military onthis forum and by being here, I figure they are showing support for those who truly love America and want to help their fellow countrymen in any way possible.

If you want some more information, books by Daniel Estulin came highly recommended to me. I have not read them yet, but did buy one this weekend.

Also, Capt Bart has some very insightful thoughts on this subject (theories). I recommend, like I do on all subjects, to get as many viewpoints from different authors and use them to cross reference each other. Then use their writing to do your own research, but keep in mind that if it is true that pure evil is in charge, research can be dangerous. If the author cannot or will not supply reference materials for independent study, I'd say they are only trying to capitalize on the fear everyone has already.

Thanks for the links, they'll keep me busy for days.

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We have not been secure in our freedom since the war of the northern aggression! Look up

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/president-lincoln-suspends-the-writ-of-habeas-corpus-during-the-civil-war

and read about Lincoln suspending the constitution and then ignoring the chief justice of the Supreme court when ordered to release the prisoner. It was an "emergency" and Lincoln did what he bloody well pleased. The hard fact is that the courts have no enforcement power and the president ignores them when he wishes and thinks that congress won't do anything about it.

 

Some of the trash listed in the links were signed by Reagan, for crying out loud! Whether he intended the consequences or not, we are no longer secure in our persons or property because of executive orders. I trust all you serfs are comfortable in your chains.

 

Posse Comitatus is NOT in the constitution. It is a law, written by congress and by congress it can be repealed. It has exceptions for states of emergency and the Patriot Act and the National Defense Authorization Act has pretty much said anything the executive decides is an emergency is good enough. He doesn't even have to tell anyone about it. The entire country is now on "double Secret Probabion"

with apologies to "Animal House".

 

I will not "feel" safe until all executive orders are revoked and only publicly announced orders, concurred to by the congress are allowed. I will not "BE" safe until no arm of government can take what I have without a trial of my peers for a crime listed in the criminal code. As long as any arm of a government can act in secret against its citizens, the people are subjects, not citizens.

 

If it were not for the fact that our military has been taught loyalty to the constitution, not the president, and that we are an armed citizenry we would already be enjoying our chains. This is the last year for America as it is now. Either we begin to take back our country or we go over the edge irredeemably. This is a critical year for the Republic. If you love her and want the benefits of a free society for your children and grandchildren then get active in your local politics and make sure that the independent actors (like sheriffs and county courts) are true constitutionalists.

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We have not been secure in our freedom since the war of the northern aggression! Look up

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/president-lincoln-suspends-the-writ-of-habeas-corpus-during-the-civil-war

and read about Lincoln suspending the constitution and then ignoring the chief justice of the Supreme court when ordered to release the prisoner. It was an "emergency" and Lincoln did what he bloody well pleased. The hard fact is that the courts have no enforcement power and the president ignores them when he wishes and thinks that congress won't do anything about it.

 

Some of the trash listed in the links were signed by Reagan, for crying out loud! Whether he intended the consequences or not, we are no longer secure in our persons or property because of executive orders. I trust all you serfs are comfortable in your chains.

 

Posse Comitatus is NOT in the constitution. It is a law, written by congress and by congress it can be repealed. It has exceptions for states of emergency and the Patriot Act and the National Defense Authorization Act has pretty much said anything the executive decides is an emergency is good enough. He doesn't even have to tell anyone about it. The entire country is now on "double Secret Probabion"

with apologies to "Animal House".

 

I will not "feel" safe until all executive orders are revoked and only publicly announced orders, concurred to by the congress are allowed. I will not "BE" safe until no arm of government can take what I have without a trial of my peers for a crime listed in the criminal code. As long as any arm of a government can act in secret against its citizens, the people are subjects, not citizens.

 

If it were not for the fact that our military has been taught loyalty to the constitution, not the president, and that we are an armed citizenry we would already be enjoying our chains. This is the last year for America as it is now. Either we begin to take back our country or we go over the edge irredeemably. This is a critical year for the Republic. If you love her and want the benefits of a free society for your children and grandchildren then get active in your local politics and make sure that the independent actors (like sheriffs and county courts) are true constitutionalists.

Very well put Capt.

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Yes on all counts Capt. And the BIG problem is that half of the country doesn't understand it or doesn't even care. How in the hell can we educate the ones that are capable of understanding. Too many have been dumbed down and it seems the rest are on the dole

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so what do you guys think about this link??

 

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/4312850

 

I would say send my email, but he's too much an obama supporter.

To play devil's advocate, you have to be amazed that regardless of what the gov't does, a major portion of the population now believe it is in the People's WORST interest; that says something.

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reg,

for some reason, im totally lost on that reply.

 

I was referring to the link being "anti-conspiracy theory". I doubt the "theorists" would be in business if the People weren't so afraid of their gov't. ventura is/was an obama supporter; he also thought clinton was the best thing since sliced bread. In alot of ways, I just think he's still in the WWF (or whatever initials they're using) and acting for ratings.

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could be true reg. i cant believe you havent made it into the youtube post yet.

 

I been on phone with my cousin. He's one who makes certain decisions if anything happens, so making sure he keeps his phone on and answers "odd" numbers that show up.

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Reg 5 , basically what you're saying about J.V. is just because it talks like a Roman

and acts like a Roman doesn't necessarily mean it's Roman?????

 

I read one of his books. It just seemed like regardless of the theory he was bashing, it was Regan, or 1 of the Bushs' faults. I do not defend the Bush family, have my own opinion of Reagan. I do not have Ventura in a "concrete" category, just my suspicions and he seems to claim to be an Independent, but would caucus with liberals if he was in congress. JV may be completely on the up and up and the producers and publishers may require him to write/say certain things because ratings are more important to them.

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JV may be completely on the up and up and the producers and publishers may require him to write/say certain things because ratings are more important to them.

 

SEVERAL VERY, VERY DEEP BREATHS TO CALM DOWN!

 

Regulator5,

That sentence is one of my really hot trigger buttons. The Nazis at Nuremberg argued they were just doing what they had to do - the courts in Germany at the time even said it was the law! We found them guilty of crimes against humanity and executed many of them and jailed the rest.

 

Any person who does what "producers and publishers may require him" to do when he does not believe it is NOT a man, is NOT worthy of his citizenship, and is morally bankrupt. When I was commissioned I understood very well the REQUIREMENT to stand my ground against an illegal order. It happened once, details are not important but when as a lieutenant I formally requested a courts martial, in front of witnesses, the situation immediately changed for the better. I was right and the captain was very wrong and knew it. I wouldn't be browbeaten into following an illegal order. I was scared out of my mind, but it was the right thing to do.

 

It is completely possible that based on Obozo's anti-religious, anti-Catholic rulings I may be in a federal pen this time next year. Obozo is a coward and can not stand the light of truth. As Catholic clergy I will do the right thing and I suspect that will become a "Hate Crime" here shortly. I worry about my family after I'm gone but I must follow my conscience.

 

I have no sympathy at all for the cowards who do "what they have to do" to get elected or to govern in a 'liberal' state or to keep their job. People can make mistakes. I am fond enough of Reagan to hope that his executive orders were well intentioned if misguided. The Bush family are big government people and I fundamentally disagree with their politics. They are not cowards but we do not agree. It is harder to take the principled stand as you get older, but if you want to be a man, to be able to look at yourself in the mirror when you shave, what choice do you really have?

 

Just my not so humble opinion, but in this case my opinion is very right!

 

Should I have put a "RANT" warning on this one?

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Rant Warning...not needed...

 

Proves a point that people will do what they are told if they can "justify" it.

The Psy.test on things like this is astounding. You will turn the "pain knob" when told its ok because its only a study.

 

JMHO

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SEVERAL VERY, VERY DEEP BREATHS TO CALM DOWN!

 

Regulator5,

That sentence is one of my really hot trigger buttons. The Nazis at Nuremberg argued they were just doing what they had to do - the courts in Germany at the time even said it was the law! We found them guilty of crimes against humanity and executed many of them and jailed the rest.

 

Any person who does what "producers and publishers may require him" to do when he does not believe it is NOT a man, is NOT worthy of his citizenship, and is morally bankrupt. When I was commissioned I understood very well the REQUIREMENT to stand my ground against an illegal order. It happened once, details are not important but when as a lieutenant I formally requested a courts martial, in front of witnesses, the situation immediately changed for the better. I was right and the captain was very wrong and knew it. I wouldn't be browbeaten into following an illegal order. I was scared out of my mind, but it was the right thing to do.

 

It is completely possible that based on Obozo's anti-religious, anti-Catholic rulings I may be in a federal pen this time next year. Obozo is a coward and can not stand the light of truth. As Catholic clergy I will do the right thing and I suspect that will become a "Hate Crime" here shortly. I worry about my family after I'm gone but I must follow my conscience.

 

I have no sympathy at all for the cowards who do "what they have to do" to get elected or to govern in a 'liberal' state or to keep their job. People can make mistakes. I am fond enough of Reagan to hope that his executive orders were well intentioned if misguided. The Bush family are big government people and I fundamentally disagree with their politics. They are not cowards but we do not agree. It is harder to take the principled stand as you get older, but if you want to be a man, to be able to look at yourself in the mirror when you shave, what choice do you really have?

 

Just my not so humble opinion, but in this case my opinion is very right!

 

Should I have put a "RANT" warning on this one?

 

 

 

I fear this whole thing was a ruse, a set-up. The big O can back track now. Even his fellow socialists in congress are feeling the heat and coming out against it. Now he can "compromise" to save face and as a result curry favor again with the Catholics. Until this most recent "event" it seemed to me the bishops were in O's back pocket, as far as ObamaCare goes anyway. I do not doubt that this deviousness is part of the plan

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CAPT, I agree with you on the cowards not standing their ground. I wasn't exactly "quiet" during my time.

I pushed a few buttons during my tour that are still haunting me today. I made mistakes and truth be told, I should have followed my first instinct and took my chances as even backing off a little did nothing to prevent security issues for my family even now (4 years later). I will have to live or die by that choice and my only hope is the treasonous cowards that have taken issue, will take their ire out on me and leave my family out of it; although I doubt they will as their yellow hide always looks for defenseless victims.

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Reg 5 , basically what you're saying about J.V. is just because it talks like a Roman

and acts like a Roman doesn't necessarily mean it's Roman?????

Desert, As I think more on it, I would like to clarify some of my points.

 

I think JV is a scam artist and possibly worse. IMO, he touches on "theories" and even claims to have first hand knowledge but doesn't give any hard evidence. To me, he leaves the questions unanswered he is supposedly "investigating" or trying to answer and usually adds enough other tidbits to dilute the theory or add enough "forks in the trail" to cause most people to give up. I personally do NOT trust him, but that is a personal opinion.

As CAPT said, I do have issue with his not being brave enough to stand for what he thinks is right, regardless of the side of an issue he aligns with. I may not agree with some people, but I will at least give them credit for standing their ground. JV only has that he made the SEALS to his credit (IMO) but I have personally seen guys in the military who wore the "tab" but were as worthless as wet powder.

There are some things I post or write about that I can only attest to from personal experience, but if I am posting on a news piece or trying to give information from something I have read (medical or other subject), I try and add links or at least give the references I gathered my information from. I do not think I know everything, nor even a little of anything; I rely on others who write and publish their findings to help elevate my knowledge and want others to know where my thoughts come from. I'm also man enough to admit when I'm wrong and listen to others opinions and thoughts to get a different perspective and thus advance my own knowledge/thoughts. I like to debate, but debate with a closed mind is an argument, which only causes problems, where discourse with an open mind can actually be beneficial and cause growth of intellect.

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