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Well you know what they say: put your dog and your spouse in the trunk of your car for an hour and see who's still happy to see you when you open it...just kidding, I guess my point is a dog can be your most faithful, trusting friend when you really need one. Not to mention having a superior sense of smell, and having a 2nd set of eyes and ears can be helpful when hunting for something to eat and tracking it down if need be. But hey, please nobody tell my wife what I said about putting her in the trunk with the dog, thanks.

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@ricks I would totally take my dog too if she wasn't trained (when I had her) but I was just thinking about how some people won't take their dog because they aren't "trained." I think everyone should train their dogs to do some useful exercises like (quiet, down, crawl, speak ect) in case of an emergency.

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I want all you animal lover to read this article and understand what the far left is attempting to do

 

by using animal rights to usurp your rights as a human being and also this man would have it to where you could not have an animal.

 

all you you are too blind to see at least read about Peter Singer this man is a socialist and anyone who falls into this trap is dooming their children to a socialist monstrosity the likes this

 

world has never known many animal groups use popular actors and injured animals to get your money

 

and use it for this socialist program Why do I think this because most all animal shelters euthanize

 

/ put to sleep / KILL dogs after a period of days {shorter if they are full to capacity}.

 

they neuter or spay so you cannot breed an animal you buy and feed and care for.

And on the other side they are against hunting even in areas where deer

are starving and bears are endangering children.

 

You are being lied to used and screwed some shelters are "humane" and saythey do not euthanize but they can transfer or have a "trained" vet

establish a threshold enough to say it had to be put down.

 

very much like abortion doctors will say the mothers life is in jeopardy even though it is not, after the first trimester.

 

http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=13786

 

here is some information you should know about ecology and the people who are lying to you

 

http://www.grantjeffrey.com/pdf/Eco-dictatorship.pdf

 

these people have a leftist agenda and are using ecology, animal rights as a shield

 

Grant Jeffrey has been on TBN many years and even if your not a Christian you should see what

he digs up the complete lies from scientists and political figures who are making money and do

not care about you Al Gore's house is as large as 20 normal homes but he tells you he is fighting

global warming his carbon foot print is showing and he has other homes but it ok for him but he wants

like many who are with and behind him that you only be able to have one home.

Do as I say and not as I do.....

 

Bible Prophecy Revealed

Grant Jeffrey

 

http://www.grantjeffrey.com/

 

they know all the tricks {socialist} and found where they made mistakes and have reorganized and are using them to lure you and use your money

against you.

 

if you knew how many jobs would be lost under the Kyoto treaty you would sh*t rocks.

 

they hate America they are power mad and hate God and anything to do with both.

 

they / socialists and are using your children and your heart strings to hog tie and destroy us.

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way to turn a dog thread into a political/religious thread (that article is from 2002 and extremely biased.. and the other two links, don't even deserve a response... chill on the thumping and stay on topic (which is about whether or not to take a your dog with you in a survival situation).. Anyway...

 

Dog. no matter how well trained or not... my dogs are my family members and my furry little children. and i have no problem sharing rations with them. In a survival situation, a friend you can talk to and help you stay sane that won't conspire against you is an invaluable asset... i agree with the comment earlier that said something to the effect of "my dog would die for his family if he knew what that meant" and as much as it would hurt and as bitter as it would taste (actually im sure it would taste pretty damn good at the time, but...), once we both were starved to the point that we were looking at each other a little funny, the dog would go, and i'd live a bit longer.

R.I.P. Ziva, Sept 1, 2010 - Jan 28, 2012.

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Dog. no matter how well trained or not... my dogs are my family members and my furry little children. and i have no problem sharing rations with them. In a survival situation, a friend you can talk to and help you stay sane that won't conspire against you is an invaluable asset...

 

oh yes, thats what im talkin about.

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I would keep my dog around, she is well trained and faithful. Being a retriever she is great for bird hunting, and like most of you said she is like a kid to me. I can see some people debating keeping a dog depending on the breed. If the dog could get your entire family killed it might make you think twice about keeping it.

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way to turn a dog thread into a political/religious thread (that article is from 2002 and extremely biased.. and the other two links, don't even deserve a response... chill on the thumping and stay on topic (which is about whether or not to take a your dog with you in a survival situation).. Anyway...

 

Dog. no matter how well trained or not... my dogs are my family members and my furry little children. and i have no problem sharing rations with them. In a survival situation, a friend you can talk to and help you stay sane that won't conspire against you is an invaluable asset... i agree with the comment earlier that said something to the effect of "my dog would die for his family if he knew what that meant" and as much as it would hurt and as bitter as it would taste (actually im sure it would taste pretty damn good at the time, but...), once we both were starved to the point that we were looking at each other a little funny, the dog would go, and i'd live a bit longer.

R.I.P. Ziva, Sept 1, 2010 - Jan 28, 2012.

 

We must remember the morale effect of taking or not taking the dog. It is not debated that dogs (or cats for that matter) have a positive effect on people's mood, blood pressure, and health in general. If other members of the family (especially children) are present the euthanizing of a beloved pet would have a devastating effect on the morale of the group. You will NOT be able to explain to a child why it was the right thing to do to "murder" (that IS how they will see it) their pet.

If you reach the conclusion that the pets can not be saved, I won't argue with you. You make that call based on the cold calculus of survival. Just remember that the emotional support you receive from your pets can make a large difference in your mental ability to survive so do not forget to include that support in your equation.

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CaptBart, you make some excellent points. Because of having to put two of my German Shepards to sleep two years apart , I refuse to own anymore dogs, I just get too attached. I can joke about a dog being tasty but in truth I just can't own one anymore.

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my 2 cents... We tend to undercut what our dogs are capable of doing and have done for us. We wouldn't be where we are today as a species if we hadn't entered into a partnership with the first gray wolves that started following us around. Even a poorly trained dog has many assets, as an alarm system, a buddy to watch you six, a companion to keep your mind straight, a beast of burden, a source of warmth, etc..

 

I think, imho, perhaps the biggest problem isn't going to be the dogs themselves, but perhaps the owners not seeing them as the descendants of capable predators and survivors. Watch your dog sometime, you'll see moments in the good ones where the prey drive peeks through the sophisticated pet demeanor, or when their defense drive sparks for a moment. In most dogs those instincts are still mostly intact, but they don't use them because we don't reinforce it, or we outright discourage it.

 

I don't think of my dog as a resource dump, more of a force multiplier. I know that no matter what happens, no matter how bad it gets, he'll never betray me, never flinch when I'm depending on him... and he's just so darn snuggly when it's cold :P

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Survival101 and Stealth,

We can agree that any critter that gives human beings total, unconditional love has a claim on our hearts. Humans die for their pets and their pets die for them every year. We and dogs have formed a team ever since man started up the ladder towards civilization. We might not have made it without our dogs. My dogs are going with me if I GOOD. No questions ask, they have, in fact, done so during Rita. That as a given, it behooves us to make sure our dogs are trained well enough that they do not jeopardize human life. I'm not able to read their minds but I don't think they'd like being the cause of harm to their (yes they own us as much as we own them) humans.

With that as a given, please, under no circumstances turn 'fluffy' loose so she can live! It doesn't work that way and the way 'fluffy' dies is no kindness. I've had to put several of our pets to sleep. I'm 6ft 2in, 210 lbs of annoyingly self-confident, some would say obnoxious, male and I cried like a baby each time. It was the right thing to do for the dog but it does not mean it was easy. IF you must leave your pet (and I do not judge why you came to that decision) then please do the loving thing for the pet and euthanize them. Ask your vet how you can do it but do not leave an animal you love to be prey for a pack of feral dogs or to become a member of a pack of feral dogs that might harm a human. Love sometimes means tough love - doing the right thing does not always feel good. 'Fluffy' being consumed alive by a pack of feral dogs is too stiff a price for you, me or anyone to feel good about themselves for 'letting fluffy live'.

We all feel strongly about this so let's be careful of name calling or assigning guilt to those we disagree with.

 

I couldn't agree more, well said. A couple miles from our ranch there is a rest area along an interstate highway, and a fast food resteraunt with a "pet excersizing area". Over the years we have had several dogs end up at our place that were dumped at one place or the other. I don't think any of them ran away, or that any attempt was made to find them, their owners removed the collars and dumped them to live on their own. I have had to shoot several of these that showed up starving and mean around our house or were chasing our livestock through fences. One time some heartless SOB dumped a miniature weener dog and a chiuahua out with a foot of snow on the ground and turned around in my driveway. A few years back we had a boxer and a husky/shepard cross that were dumped and set up camp by one of our pasture gates. We made it through the gates the first day fine, the next day they were off a ways, and the 3rd day when we attempted to leave the pasture the husky/sheppard attacked. I beat it to the tractor and took care of them with the rifle I had along. If you own animals, they are your responsibility to take care of. If you don't want to take them with you, do the right thing and put them down humanely so they don't starve, or harm anyone else.

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Should have added, I'd be taking my blue heeler along. She is naturally a quiet dog, only barking when I sic her on something or someone comes to the house. Away from the house she alerts me to anything she doesn't like with a low quiet growl. I've trained her to be silent working cattle unless told I tell her "go get them", then she knows she has permission to do what's necessary to get them moving. She goes pretty much everywhere with me and is very loyal. She never lets me out of her sight voluntarily. She is friendly and good with kids, but she will protect me from a 2000lb bull so I have little doubt she'd tie into anyone doing me harm. I can also give her the "down" command and circle around game and then tell her "go get them" and she will drive them to me. We've practiced on flocks of turkeys and I've used it to get cattle out of the brush so I can rope them. I think she would be a great asset.

 

Also most dogs may not be efficient predators anymore, or able to feed themselves if left alone, but they still have the instinct. Blow a predator call that mimics a wounded rabbit around your dog or cat sometime and look at their eyes. They are still carnivores.

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@catfish hunter: When you said " most dogs may not be efficient predators anymore, or able to feed themselves if left alone" it reminded me of a time when someone I knew left their Jindo alone in the backyard for a week without food (they live in the mountains). He's a 40 lbs dog and he killed a deer and ate most of it. Then when the people got home, he led them to the deer carcass. Just made me giggle haha.

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Well we are a family of 4 so a good trained dog is a must.Early warning,protection,help hunt,also a lot of people don't think about that dogs have good radars.Ever just walk around in the woods,and your dog comes back soak n wet? Well it happens all the time with us.Some how some way dogs will always find water.Plus i know this may sound gross to others,but if push came to shove.They are a the last hope meal.Now i know some will say theres no way i could eat my friend,kid etc.

I just look at it like this.Starvation is horrible thing,and to have it happen to me or one of my children.By,by pet.

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@catfish hunter: When you said " most dogs may not be efficient predators anymore, or able to feed themselves if left alone" it reminded me of a time when someone I knew left their Jindo alone in the backyard for a week without food (they live in the mountains). He's a 40 lbs dog and he killed a deer and ate most of it. Then when the people got home, he led them to the deer carcass. Just made me giggle haha.

 

A few years ago, my sister worked for a group of doctors. One of them had a house in the country and four incredibly lovable, spoiled Golden Retrievers... who apparently went into "pack hunting" mode and took down a deer in the pasture one day while the doctor was at work. She came home that night and was greeted, as always, by four bouncing and happy dogs - who were slathered in gore and very, very full. LOL The doc figured that the deer might have been already injured, making it seem even more like prey to the dogs and enabling them to catch it, but whatever the case, my sister said she seemed genuinely spooked to realize that what she had considered goofy little house pets were capable of doing that.

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Ever see the Geico commercial about the "rescue panther"? We forget at our peril that these are animals that have at one time or another in their long history preyed on Humans. IIRC the genes of a wolf can not be distinguished from the genes of a Chihuahua. We've made friends and helped suppress their aggression but if you've ever lived with a strong pack breed (we had Afghan hounds for years) you understand how important it is that the human be the alpha male. The "Dog Whisperer" series is always reinforcing that fact. If you're not the pack leader, you're in trouble.

 

A pack of pets can be as dangerous as a pack of wild dogs if the leader gets the hunt dynamic going. It is scary to see a pack attack another animal, especial if you consider that you might be the next one.

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Well we are a family of 4 so a good trained dog is a must.Early warning,protection,help hunt,also a lot of people don't think about that dogs have good radars.Ever just walk around in the woods,and your dog comes back soak n wet? Well it happens all the time with us.Some how some way dogs will always find water.Plus i know this may sound gross to others,but if push came to shove.They are a the last hope meal.Now i know some will say theres no way i could eat my friend,kid etc.

I just look at it like this.Starvation is horrible thing,and to have it happen to me or one of my children.By,by pet.

 

Keep in mind that if you wait until the dog is starving to serve it up its meat will be toxic. So about the time you run out of food would be the optimal time to "harvest" so to speak. I personally wouldn't eat my dog, but that's just me, now a random stranger on the other hand... :rolleyes:

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We have German Shepherd Dogs, because they are our breed of choice. They are excellent companions, superb watch/guard dogs, and will protect the family members to the death. They have a far better sense of hearing, and smell than we humans do, and can indeed run a lot faster than any human I've ever seen. So, they go with us. Extra security and great companionship, they are far better "trained" and behaved than most adults I know.

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every couple months or so i buy a fancy mouse from the pet store for my cat to keep his prey drive intact. drop it in the bathtub so he doesnt make a mess, and keeps him geared to catching rodents etc. he never eats them, always kills it and brings it to me. hopefully he can bag a rabbit for me.

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A security guard who works for free- Has super-human hearing and sence of smell (not to mention any other sences we may not know about)- is on duty 24 hours per day, 7 days per week, doesn't ask for holidays off- is self replicating- and will give-up his/her life to save you or your children without a second thought!!!! All for a few handfuls of Kibbles & Bits and the occasional table scrap!!!

He also LOVES to go hunting, walking and play frisbee.

He does all this free of charge in exchange for some cheap Walmart dog chow and a little love.

How could you not want a dog???

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A security guard who works for free- Has super-human hearing and sence of smell (not to mention any other sences we may not know about)- is on duty 24 hours per day, 7 days per week, doesn't ask for holidays off- is self replicating- and will give-up his/her life to save you or your children without a second thought!!!! All for a few handfuls of Kibbles & Bits and the occasional table scrap!!!

He also LOVES to go hunting, walking and play frisbee.

He does all this free of charge in exchange for some cheap Walmart dog chow and a little love.

How could you not want a dog???

Well put NightOwl! :)

Now if only people....hmmmm:D

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