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Just the other day my next door neighbor called to complain about my sons Mustang being too loud in the morning.(My son leaves at 330 am to go to work. He has been doing it for a year and a half. I only had to wake him on his second day. I am little proud of him hanging in there for this job). So i told the neighbor that i was sorry but i never hear it. He asked how i could miss it. I reminded him that he and others thought it odd that i changed my homes floor plan so my master bedroom is on the back of the house. So Friday afternoon I'm buying an entire race ready yet street legal cat back system for my sons car. That ought to add 50 decibels and tear@$$ rumble.

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hahaha you guys are waaay to funny! My upstairs neighbors are just.. annoying. mid fourties, drinking, screaming, laughing 'till 2am. And they drilled a hole through their door and to my ceiling. Impressive isn't?

 

they drilled to watch you???? your freakin kidding or im mistaking. gotta be.

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Barbie, first off welcome. I agree with a lot that was said here. CaptBart and FemVet especially. I live in a small condo, but in a major city. Most folks here are from other areas and probably don't know the first thing about home maintaince, let alone preparedness. My first priority is to my wife (and dog). However, I will take care of my close neighbors (like I've done during the last hurricane). Im also aware of the school and retirent home near me. So if the situation is not fire and my family is safe, I will take care of others. The one thi g I've learned in wilderness frat aid, etc is you are number one, your group number two, and all else nber three. Giving some extra food to a needy fily is one thing, but putting my life at risk and leaving my gilt alone in a dire situation is amother.

 

To end, my favorite lesson from grad school 'It all depends.'

 

PS. Good to have another female voice on the forums.

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@ricks: I have no idea why they drilled a hole. The floor/ceiling is at least a foot thick... they then stuck some sort of nail through the hole. They are probably the strangest neighbors I ever had!

@DC Matt: HEllo and thanks for the welcome! I guess it is "it all depends". I'll have to trust my instincts for later on life!

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@ricks: I have no idea why they drilled a hole. The floor/ceiling is at least a foot thick... they then stuck some sort of nail through the hole. They are probably the strangest neighbors I ever had!

@DC Matt: HEllo and thanks for the welcome! I guess it is "it all depends". I'll have to trust my instincts for later on life!

 

Sounds like they were trying to build a solid door stop. There are kits out there that require a hole in the floor and then put a restraint there to prevent the door from opening.

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=door+club&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=7396689743470998448&sa=X&ei=jYwhT_fyIZLEgAeOlu2GCQ&ved=0CDwQ8wIwAA

 

Could be any number of reasons for wanting to secure your front door; everything from prepping to witness protection program to ... let's say less than legal activities.

 

Keep a low profile.

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i'll install it for the low low.

 

thanks rick maybe next time. Its really good bonding time with my son. Even though he is still at home he spends a lot of time gone. I was at his age. Probably be an empty nester in 2-3 years.

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@Capt Bart: I think the part where they drilled a hole is their kitchen or living room hahaha!

I'm gonna take yours and ricks' advice on just talking casually about having a three day kit ect ect and see which ones are actually thinking about surviving an earthquake... or any disaster. I'm making cake pops and hopefully that'll be a good ice breaker!

You people and your cars! I don't know anything about 'em. So much to learn, so little time.

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One thing I have not seen mentioned. If you choose to bug-in at your apartment complex, eventually one of your unprepared neighbors is going to do something stupid when trying to cook or stay warm. When they set their "house" on fire, they take yours with it, because you are all connected. I would get as far away from any apartment complex as fast as I can.

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It seems to me that one of the primary reasons we may end up facing a SHTF or TEOTWAWKI scenario is that there are too many people in this world who think they have a right to your stuff. As the political types ramp up the class warfare rhetoric, we get closer to rioting by the "have-nots".

 

Whether these social disturbances are the cause or effect of the need to go into survival mode, the result is the same. You can't trust anybody, kids or not. Part of your prep should be to build the network of people you can trust, and then be prepared to cut them loose when they get hungry enough to cause you problems. Identify which of your neighbors you can rely on or at least not have to worry about immediately, and which will be climbing through a window to loot from you. Do this right now, not after the fecal matter has impacted the oscillating air transport device.

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To juzcallmesnake,

 

I'm not sure whether you are incredably clever or psychotic. Maybe both. Altruistic and moral based behaviour are highly prized characteristics in civilized society. They provide a benchmark by which all other societal conduct can be compared. In your case, you provide no such measure because you claim to be moralistically void and murderously inclined. No doubt in an extreme SHTF/EOTW scenario you and your type will be among the living few. Sharing a horribly devastated landscape with equally cruel and vicious human predators that would make Dante's Inferno pale by comparison. I sincerely hope that I did not survive in a world populated with human predators like you, devoid of forty centuries of civilized intelligence. If, unfortunately, I did survive, I would have to kill you quickly to put you out of your rabid misery, saving the last bullet for myself.

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scotty welcome aboard bro.

 

hey Watchdog.

 

easy on Mr Snake. he does have his good and bad days like the rest of us.

he well respected by our community and a pretty fart smeller too. he means no harm.

so of thr 2 choices you gave, im gonna say hes clever.

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Good thread you have going, Barbie. Religious, Anti-Social, Vigilante, and half dozen others. A slice of regular everyday life here. When TSHTF, it will bring out the best and the worst in people. No point second guessing. But it's all very good advice. If you must give food to the neighbor's child, how can you be sure the child gets to eat it himself? How can you control that issue. Unless you plan to feed them both, in which case, Daddy Grasshopper learns nothing. Let the adult fend for themselves. And remember that in "Oliver Twist," Fagan used the kids to do his dirty work. There could be a lot of that, if TSHTF or it's TEOTWAWKI. Just be careful.

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To juzcallmesnake,

 

I'm not sure whether you are incredably clever or psychotic. Maybe both. Altruistic and moral based behaviour are highly prized characteristics in civilized society. They provide a benchmark by which all other societal conduct can be compared. In your case, you provide no such measure because you claim to be moralistically void and murderously inclined. No doubt in an extreme SHTF/EOTW scenario you and your type will be among the living few. Sharing a horribly devastated landscape with equally cruel and vicious human predators that would make Dante's Inferno pale by comparison. I sincerely hope that I did not survive in a world populated with human predators like you, devoid of forty centuries of civilized intelligence. If, unfortunately, I did survive, I would have to kill you quickly to put you out of your rabid misery, saving the last bullet for myself.

 

Thank you for your kind assessment but you forgot handsome and

complicated

 

I am a mirror what is if I am dealing with a killer I am one if dealing with a decent individual

then I am cordial and fair I can turn it on and off, it has surprised many people one second

i am me then I am taking care of business, and back again "it's a gift"

 

civilization is a dichotomy the criminal element and the citizen I will not respect a criminal

and mock a citizen I see the reverse, popular culture reveres the punk and sneers at regular hard working people an illegal alien gets help filling out forms and which ones but citizens

are left to their own and rejected and spoken down too,this I have seen also.

 

if I am anything I am a product of experience I know what I have seen and I know there is

both good and evil i figure we can do without evil we need all the good we can get.

the problem with the good is they are not emotionally equipped to "get dirty"

even if you save one they will turn on you because they cannot separate defense from

offence violence is all the same and should I survive like many I will be destroyed because

I am what they can never be courageous there is nothing so vile to a coward as a person

who is not,

And to see you every day reminds them of how frail and useless they are.

in certain situations, but I do not see it that way we need many kinds and I feel no

disdain for those who cannot be violent I am happy they exist it gives me hope for a

better world but you will see people forged in a fire and hallowed as heroes caged

in prison for reasons of fear its alright to kill in war but not piss on them once dead.

even if your enemy mutilates your friends.

we are supposed to have the moral high ground if it only holds your grave and marker

what good is it to us as a nation the enemies

laugh and relish your foolishness an naivete and use it to their advantage, and placing us

at odds with each other if we all act as one destroy evil we can go back to a civilization.

but evil is subversive it cloaks itself in many forms of peace love and light.

 

I give you the man who allowed and mocked as his clients were dying in his ashram on a

self help weekend and allowed them to die and had no conscience of his crime of

failure to keep his charges safe.

 

the captain of a recent ship disaster abandons his crew and passengers and uses

lies and excuses and feels no responsibility.

I assure you I am not of this breed if anything I have been carried out or walked out last

I would rather die than be seen as a coward or not try to remedy the situation.

I have also saved a few and that brought some disdain because they were not perfect

citizens but the were far from evil.

 

some mean people are not evil some evil people are never anything else once you

recognize this that the fiber of their existence is perverted and twisted so no light can

shine in, example a gang banger or hardened criminal you have seen them use their children

as human shields endanger lives running and shooting on freeways and public areas.

I am not one of these either.

 

I do not try to define myself I just try to do the next right thing, I can say one thing

If I say something I mean it, as long as people do as I ask they are fine and I do not

involve myself in their personal life only if they include or involve me does this force me

to issue demands to exclude me from their stupidity if not sanctions will be strictly

enforced from exclusion to what ever it takes.

but no one can say they have not understood the seriousness of our future interaction.

 

most people do not like me because I am straight forward and I do as I please,

I have worked for my self most of my life because I have hung my hopes on others only

to be sold out literally and I felt I had no control also I will not be mouthed at because

some self absorbed person is in a mood or a Napoleon complex.

we all sh*t between our heels and I see our country turning into a cast society

doctors, lawyers, and numerous PHD's have stared down their noses at we the people

so long they feel more privileged.

Are you invited to the "bunker" when a national emergency is declared

can you flash your badge and get a pass or are you a judge or senator actor playing

an IPOD game.

Oh please tell me how wrong I am.

 

And natural disasters are not TEOTWAWKI and I know

the difference so I will know when the catharsis must occur for me.

and thank you for your obvious high standing I must have in this future scenario

but please remember I am only an actor on the stage of life I did not write the script

or build the set I have a part because I feel responsibility to stand and be counted.

 

97% of the country during the time of our nations battle for independence

either were cowards had to many responsibilities {family} I can understand this}

or thought General Washington

could not win or thought he was wrong and feared repercussions of failure.

 

nothing has changed there are still only a small percentage willing to prepare

so there is a society after a disaster.

My question to you is, do you want the same society we have now only smaller

or do you think we can do better, if so removal of the garbage is where i start when

cleaning then streamline and make efficient and try to maintain it.

 

This is what we are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan so do you call those men and women

psychotic they are doing what I have proposed so they must be and with no law

how would you do it?

Your word is your bond to what extreme will you defend your family if attacked

if you cook food and the scent carries don't you think your neighbors will want

what you have even if it is not enough for your family and like most if you have

a dollar they think you have more won't this turn ugly.

I have experienced this seen it with my own eyes people killing each other for a

sack of rice killing for greed regional and difference of blood or religion or race.

 

I hope it does not happen here but if I am attacked for my race if I defend myself

am I a raciest or my religion am I a zealot for my food am I a hoarder or greedy miser

If I bought it with honest money is it mine or because of some catastrophe is it

all gathered together and doled out to the one who did not work for it

 

what about your wife if someone dose not have relations are you suppose

to share your wife?

are your children to be made to do labor for the betterment of the GROUP or prostitute

themselves to trade for services and goods or used as soldiers or comfort for them.

 

I think you are wrong headed in your assessment of me it is not that I want it to happen, but I have

seen the devil and all he brings and what people will do it happens now everyday

here in this country and in the open in may others if your willing to give your family

over to the hoard that's up to you but I do not wok or play well with others because

I have seen the horror of power mad leaders and militaristic control and I won't allow it.

 

jim jones

reverend moon

charles manson

should I go on it has happened here in the best of times there was a group where

the women sold themselves to get money for their cause people sell their children

do you think during TEOTWAWKI or even a long lasting regional disaster it won't happen?

 

I'll tell you my secret I am a man not a paper tiger nor a facsimile scars on my knuckles

and bow my head when I pray but I am not a door mat and I am not confused

about my sexuality duties or responsibilities.

and I have found this pisses off Atheists and cowards and vacillating over thinkers

save the bullet for your self the world I leave behind will be much better that I was here

and this is not my personal opinion but many friends and people I have encountered

over the years Am i perfect hell no but that's a conversation me and Jesus will have,

not me and some Analyst who thinks I am not in touch with my inner feelings LMAO

 

I am glad you think I am crazy some of the people I admire most were considered crazy

George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Einstein, Babe Ruth, Billy Graham, George Patton,

11 of the 12 disciples Bill Cosby {never had to be vulgar to be funny}

Alan Keys, Audy Murphy, Don King {loves America and not ashamed to say it}

and anyone who hears the words Lord Jesus and bows his head.

Maybe some were and are not perfect but that's the beautiful thing about

Christianity you do not have to be perfect your ticket is already paid

and in America you got the best shot at being whatever your dreams are.

 

there is a thread or post I think you should read, called never surrender you should read it.

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Watchdog and Snake,

Watchdog, ad hominem attacks are really out of place here and not very informative. It is most acceptable to disagree with someone's views; quite a few (and I suspect Snake is one of them) think I am rather naive about what TEOTWAWKI will be like. That is, of course, their privilege just as it is yours. What is not acceptable is the personal attack. I did not remove your post as I wanted to give Snake a chance to respond.

 

He has now done so. Normally none of us go into the kind of depth of personal feeling that Snake expressed simply because it isn't necessary. I truly don't want it to be necessary again. Each of us, all of us, Snake, Watchdog, me and others have things that shape our lives and some of us have nightmares about both the past and the future. None of you have a right to play with my nightmares nor do I have a right to play with yours.

 

As of now, the personal opinions about other members of this thread is closed. Discussion of how we deal with others we may meet post TSHTF is a viable issue and we should discuss it. Remember, differences of opinions are how we learn; I know preppers who once thought I was a paranoid nut job. I'm not sure they were totally wrong but they do see at least some of my point of view now.

 

I do not want to close this thread nor do I want to ban any member of this forum. Just be aware, strong disagreement with ideas is always acceptable but disagreement about ideas does not mean the person expressing them is subject to personal attacks. Those are off the board from this point onward.

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I would dare to bet that in a true shtf situation people will use things like children or a lone female as a tool to get past your defenses so they can take what you have.Look at the children in vietnam and now in parts of the world who are covered in explosives and sent in to our camps because we are kind and try to help them if we think we can.sadly i have thought of this alot recently since there are several children in my area.I would sadly turn them away or worse terminate if necesarry to assure my familys safety since i have five children of my own.because in the end i will survive.

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Just be aware, strong disagreement with ideas is always acceptable but disagreement about ideas does not mean the person expressing them is subject to personal attacks. Those are off the board from this point onward.

 

Just to add my 2 cents to this. I have seen several forums spiral down into the abyss with personal attacks. We are all adults here and we wish to share info not jabs at each other. If you don't care for someones post then politely skip to the next post. Lets enjoy being civil as long as we have civilization. Sorry to side track this great thread.

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Snake, sometimes what you say shocks me. Sometimes it is things I would think but not say. At first, your extreme candor threw me for a loop. But I could see truth in many things you say. And when TEOTWAWKI happens, or even SHTF, there is no point in being nice. It's more important to be pragmatic, and to maintain your humanity best you can. No one can say how it will be. It will bring out the best and the worst in people. All I say is I would rather learn from your point of view than close my mind. Who is to say that stripping the pretty coating off of our expectations sooner rather than later is not best? Glad to know you better. -J

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Lets enjoy being civil as long as we have civilization. Sorry to side track this great thread.

 

 

i agree here. for the nature of our topics we are a pretty civilized bunch. that says something about the members of this forum. ALL and great bunch of guys and an even better bunch of ladies.

i do not see this as a side track, just someone trying to keep the peace on a forum they are very passionate about. i can honestly say that we can expect nothing less from you both.

good job to both you and bart.

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