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when you carry your firearm. legal or not ya dont have to be a d@ck to the man.

 

 

here is another idiot. just work with the law man here guy, geez.

ok so you dont have to show the ID, but damn, your looking for trouble.

 

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what a prick...thats is what gives all of us bad names...I carry everyday but always have a vest or jacket on to cover my weapon. Good example is last week the wife, grandson and me was at walmart looking around and here comes this guy walking down the isle with his girlfriend and he has a .357 hanging on his belt. I look at the wife she looks at me and we just shake your heads. You know if someone was planning to robber the store and saw this guy, guess who they would nutralize first. I just bug's me when people act and show off like that. I know in Tennessee that you can carry in the open, but that just don't make good sense to me..and oh yeah here is another no brainer....this morning when I got off..stopped at the local store for a cup of coffee and a pack of smoke, the guy in front of me had his carrier permitt hanging around his neck...that just blew my mind.

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Those guys were looking for trouble, especially the second one.

 

Several years ago, before I was comfortable with guns, my husband and I stopped in Gary, IN for gas kinda late on one of our road trips. Saw at least 3 guys open carrying and add to that, that the gas attendant appeared to be behind bullet proof glass, and I was very intimidated. Didn't call the cops, but never stopped there for gas again either.

 

My point is, people are going to be intimidated by open carry, even if it is lawful. I get that they're trying to make a point, but there's got to be a better way of doing it.

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I remember that, we decided to scoot pretty quick. Search "Michigan open carry" and you'll find more videos just like this one. They are trying to inform the public and the police, but I can't agree with their technique. Too confrontational.

 

Ruger92, When I was reading up before my concealed carry class, I ran across a story about three gentlemen open carrying at a restaurant, that prevented a robbery, because they made the crooks nervous. They were picked up in the parking lot waiting for those gentlemen to leave, but, I'll admit, three open carriers is a force, and there was only one story.

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People need "attention".No self confidence"LOOK AT ME" Im ready.

ok so living Gray has no meaning to some.The squeekey wheel does get the attention.

Im well oiled myself.

ok i just reviewed the posted vids.

 

Can you say Dumb ass.Why pick a fight?????

With anyone in uniform???

Its natural for a cop to ask why you got that weapon near me???I would if I were him .Its my ass on the line.

JMHO

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along the, how not to act lines, we have a bunch of these border patrol checkpoints throughout ca and in az and texas as well. i have to run through them quite frequently and have only been pulled into secondary once but was let go in about 2 minutes. this guy in the following video has 3 cameras set up in his car and intentionally causing problems and then gets angry when he gets pulled into secondary and hassled. to me just roll down your damn window and say your a citizen and go along your way. dont waste time and resources acting like an azz hat.

 

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its simple, work with the local law enforcement. dont give them issues and they will work with you most of the time. there are a few bad apples. if you go looking for trouble hard enough, long enough, you will find it. one of these days they are gonna run across somebody who is a little nervous. it wont be pretty.

hell, one of these guys might just have to call the po-po one night and the same officer he was a dick to might show up. never know.

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Here in N.Y the permits are for concealed carry. A LEO can give you a hard time if are not covered up. But worse some drunk or dumb ass could pick a fight with you. I have seen jerks go after guys carrying after they saw the gun. It always amazes me as to how stupid people can be on both sides of this issue.

Once I was carrying my 1911, a that time I carried in the small of my back, well I was in the supermarket and some guy came up and said, "hey, your showing," and pulled my shirt back over the gun, now thats the way it should be.

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I agree with your right to open carry. I also agree you can you can have obscene bumper stickers on your car. I don't care for it but you have the right in either case. Open carry can make you the focal point. Open carry can scare some people and offend others. Problem is these people vote. They could be eager to infringe on our 2nd amendment rights.

Concealed carry offers the element of surprise.

I would advise anyone who carries and travels to know the laws of the states they travel. I travel from Georgia pass a state line or two and wind up in North Carolina. The law there states you must declair your possession of a firearm when first contact is made with LEO. In Georgia it is not required. Also be careful if you pass through an Indian Reservation. Their laws differ greatly and it's very hard to find the information.

As for me i will comply with all laws and work will Leo to insure both their safety and mine.

just my 2 cents worth.

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I see nothing wrong with what these guys were doing. They were both very respectful. They were both within their rights. I'd don't feel I have the right to judge them if they were acting legally.

 

its the fact they set out to get attention, to cause a stir.

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I can't be sure of their motivation so I won't try to judge. I will note that where it is legal to open carry, as in AZ it quickly becomes common place and no big deal.

 

Personally, I like it when folks open carry. While the BG's are focusing on them, I can engage with my concealed weapon in a more unhurried manner.

 

In Louis L'Amour book, the Sacketts, there is the phrase, "Always ride with the law, Never against it." Unless you are fomenting rebellion that is good advice. A phrase I learned as a kid was 'you might beat the rap but you can't beat the ride downtown.' You must decide which is more important. It is incredibly stupid to get involved in a shooting scrape when you don't have to do so; not to mention hazardous to your health.

 

If you are endeavoring to live gray, bringing yourself to the attention of the LEO is really dumb. Getting yourself locked up over an incident you caused is foolish beyond belief.

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Here in N.Y the permits are for concealed carry. A LEO can give you a hard time if are not covered up. But worse some drunk or dumb ass could pick a fight with you. I have seen jerks go after guys carrying after they saw the gun. It always amazes me as to how stupid people can be on both sides of this issue.

Once I was carrying my 1911, a that time I carried in the small of my back, well I was in the supermarket and some guy came up and said, "hey, your showing," and pulled my shirt back over the gun, now thats the way it should be.

 

My only concern would be how close he was to the firearm. I'd appreciate the warning, when it happened to me the guy put his hand on my shoulder, but actually being in the vicinity of the gun might lead the person carrying to believe you were making a grab for the gun. On the occasions (3 in my life time) were I noticed that, I blocked the view of the gun from the public and told the owner that his gun was visible. Each time it was well received.

 

I support open carry as a constitutional right. I would much prefer open carry to illegal concealed carry. If people are bothered by open carry I see that as a failure of the education system to properly explain the constitution and the responsibility a person assumes when they pick up a firearm, open or concealed.

 

Would it change the way a LEO approached you? Of course, so it behooves you to act responsibly.

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I see nothing wrong with what these guys were doing. They were both very respectful. They were both within their rights. I'd don't feel I have the right to judge them if they were acting legally.

 

Just because its there "right"does not mean that its the wisest thing to do.

 

I could pubicly call "BARRY" a Commie bastard,SOB,Chicago Socialist built on destroying America,who HATES Christians because he is a Muslem and has NO respect for private ownership of land or anything you own.

 

But it is NOT the WISET thing to say out load in a packed room,Its disrespectfull.It may be true but the truth is seldom listened too.

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I think the officer in the first video was being disrespectful and intentionally trying to pick a fight with a guy minding his own business. Name 1 person in modern times that open carries with the intent to do harm. I open carry everywhere here in Missouri. It is legal. I've never been stopped by a LEO and questioned because they know that it is my right and is legal. Most people don't even notice the gun when I'm at Wal-Mart or another similar store. The laws against firearms only work on law abiding citizens. The only questions I get asked are by other citizens who are interested in open carry or just want to know what gun it is. The intended purpose of this thread is disrespectful to those that open carry. I, while open carrying, am no more harm than the guy on the corner by the bank that is giving his partners a size up of the banks security that they are getting ready to rob via the cellphone he is on. That is all.

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The intended purpose of this thread is disrespectful to those that open carry.

 

ok since im the one who started this thread and have been pulled out to the chopping block with that statement, please explain to me how my intended purpose for this thread is to be disrespectful.

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ok since im the one who started this thread and have been pulled out to the chopping block with that statement, please explain to me how my intended purpose for this thread is to be disrespectful.

 

What was the original purpose of this thread? This thread goes from 1 post, posting 1 video of the maybe 5% of open carriers then complaining about it, to a full on attack from the forum in general on open carriers. The only reason people panic when they see someone open carrying is because everyone has gone soft and assumes that law enforcement is thier own personal bodygaurd. Not near enough people open carry anymore, hence the panic. You posted the topic, videos, and comments in the first post with the intent to inflict the resulting posts in this thread about people who open carry, which I am one of, therefore I feel disrespected by the thread as a whole.

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ok your right is to feel very disrespected by my post and thats is fine by me.

if you think for 1 second that this post is about all that open carry you are sadly mistaken.

i personally didnt and still dont see where anybody attacked open carry as a whole from this forum.

to assume so and to implicte me in doing so w/o evidence and to automaticly assume my intent to be bad is very disrespectful. but i will let it slide, this is the net and folks posts can be misread as something its not.

i dont panic when i see someone open carry. in fact, depending on where im at i feel a little more safe about my surroundings actually. and you will not find any softness here from this forum member either.

i dont know the meaning of the word.

so in respect to you and you alone, i will state my intent of this post.

 

its IDIOTS like these two bone heads that are going around and tempting the local law enforcement like "lookie what i got and you cant do anything about it cause im within the law" and carring a camera to post up the results of their taunts on youtube is very imature at best and hopefully one day they will reap their rewards.

its IDIOTS like this that will ruin it for the rest of US who will and can open carry now and in the future. its one thing to put to great use our God given rights as well as our constitution rights, but its another to flaunt yourself like an idiot to get attention the way these two IDIOTS did.

so ya gotta really set back and ask yourself, are these two IDIOTS part of the solution, or part of the ever growing problem of stupidity

in this US of A?

Edited by ricksconnected

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So I must say this.

Virginia is an open carry state.West Virginia is not.Im 3 block from the State line.I have a C.P.from WVa.I hardley ever see an open carry in my area,most have a discrete way to carry the fire arm.When I do carry in my state I wear a jacket even a wind breaker thats lite.Just because I dont want the stares.

Im SWMO its more exceptable to see this occur(open carry).I have famly there also.

Here on the eastern coast the lefts influence has been massive about hand guns.They teach it in schools about NON vilonce,Well we know that IF more people would OPEN Carry or get a C.P. crime would go down.

So I beleve that No disrescept was ment to anyone here.

JMHO..ok u 2 go sit in the corner.LMAO

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Capt. I have to admit being a little disturbed when the guy covered my gun, but it was clear his intent was good. I know I would not touch any one in that situation. I would have said something and let him cover up.

I was glad he said something though because people here are mostly the liberal type who feel it is there duty to cause a gun owner problems.

I always wanted to be able to open carry,but in this state it will never happen.

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sorry, but i'm gonna have to say that neither one did anything wrong, other peoples ignorance to the laws is no reason for a police officer to stop you if you are not suspected of having broken a law, in the act of breaking a law or getting ready to break a law. in AZ you are not required to identify yourself unless legally detained and i have refused on a couple occasions.

*my opinion* if you are not violating any statutes or laws you should not just give in to the police. i personally am not a fan of 'police state' and being coerced or intimidated to comply with any LEO unless i am legally bound to do so.

i would never NEVER open carry with the INTENT on getting stopped by a LEO just to video record myself basically telling him to kick rocks, but i have told them that if i am not being detained i would like to continue my business peacefully.

 

compliance is NOT mandatory

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if you remember in the first video, the cop states that the guy walked up on his...........

i dont remember the word but when he had the guys girl friend pulled over and he was armed.

you cant walk up on any cop while he has someone pulled. not in any state that ive ever been in.

thats where the guy went wrong in the very begining.

ok so here is the scene. just so happens, a cop has this guys g.friend pulled over just a short walk from the house. so the guy decides to bring his video camera, just in case now, to record anything that might be worthy of his attention going on in his own area, and he just happens to have his gun on him and the cop just so happens to harass him. but,............. but, him walking up on the cop while he was doing his job was edited out lol. i guess im a bit better detective than most but the scene looks to be a little "arranged" to me.

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The two officers did nothing wrong UNTIL the officer asked if he always has a video camera as well. I know cops are concerned about cameras. All too often now an encounter is designed to go sour if a camera is present and the LEO knows it. Still, he really didn't have PC to question the camera.

 

That said, anyone who forgets that 99% of the folks LEOs deal with are BGs does so at their peril. The us versus them mentality is very real. Justified or not, IT IS THERE and you had better remember that you are part of THEM until you prove you are part of US! The officers survive by being a tad paranoid. I am ALWAYS polite, cooperative and supportive. Why would you want to pick a fight with a guy who has a gun?

 

I support open carry for a large number of reasons. Other folks think it is a bad idea. Doesn't make me or them a better citizen. This is one of those areas where reasonable people can disagree so, please, let us not assign evil intent to what may well be a difference of opinion on a matter of prudential judgement.

 

These encounters can happen to all of us. It was only recently that accidental showing of your weapon in Texas was a serious issue for a CHL holder. That has changed for the better. This guy started out to prove something apparently - based on his statement before he started. The officers were responding to a citizen complaint. Fair enough, their duty was to investigate. When dealing with nervous people and everyone has a gun (notice the officers positions to cover each other) ramping up the tension is just stupid. You get wronged, let your attorney handle it; that way you don't get shot, they don't get shot, and you don't lose your right to carry.

 

Just my not so humble opinion, of course, but when you strap on a gun, concealed or open, you lose any right you have to be insulted, get angry, or insult another. The result of strong emotions and firearms is as catastrophic as booze and guns. If you can't accept that, then perhaps you should reconsider whether or not you should carry.

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