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Anytime I see such signage posted on any establishment, I know that they will NEVER have my patronage or that of ahyone I can convince to pass that place by. I also will not donate to any entity that would deny me my Constitutional rights as a legal

concealed firearms permit holder (and retired LEO so I don,t need their "permission"). I choose to support those entities that are not afraid of LEGAL citizens. Just my way to express with our dollars what we choose to support. Tough noogies for those entities that don't "like it".

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Places have been putting up those signs in Iowa since the carry law changed. The funny thing is state law doesnt say they must be obeyed and has no penalty if they are ignored. The worst that could happen is you are asked to leave and if you refuse then they can get the police involved and give you a ticket for trespassing. As a rule I dont go to stores with those signs just as a matter of fact, they dont want me to have my weapon therefore they dont want my patronage. This excludes govt buildings where it is illegal to carry. On a side note I was the DD one night and the doorman asked me to open my coat, didnt see my full size pistol on my hip and was about to let me in. I told him how bad his search was and lifted my shirt to reveal my pistol, his eyes got huge. I told him I was the DD and wouldnt be a problem and he let my take my pistol with me. He sure searched everyone better after that too lol

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in missouri we cant carry a concealed weapon into any place that make more than 50% of it money from liqour sales and it is worth noting neighbor to the north that your state does not welcome my missouri rights at all. PS a taser is not a weapon under our laws but the possesion of brass knuckles is a weapon felony period along with butterfly knifes and switchblades but I can carry anything else even class 3 ( if properly registered) as long as it is concealed.

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in missouri we cant carry a concealed weapon into any place that make more than 50% of it money from liqour sales and it is worth noting neighbor to the north that your state does not welcome my missouri rights at all. PS a taser is not a weapon under our laws but the possesion of brass knuckles is a weapon felony period along with butterfly knifes and switchblades but I can carry anything else even class 3 ( if properly registered) as long as it is concealed.

 

Texas also has a "51%" law but here it is a positive defense if the establishment doesn't post the state designed "51%" sign. We've a similar system, if the sign isn't legal, it isn't binding unless the establishment is already covered in the law like hospitals, polling places, etc. They're supposed to have the signs but if they don't I'm supposed to know not to be there.

 

Texas will even let you drink while carrying as long as you're not "under the influence". That is vague enough that I'm not comfortable drinking alcohol while carrying, even thought it is legal. Other states are not so easy going about that so it is easier just to be a tea teetotaler. My response to "are you having anything" is usually something like,"just coffee, please, I'm the designated driver". In this environment that always stops any arguments.

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Capt Bart it would seem that the bottom line on this issue is know the law and your rights under the situation and the location ( as I do a fair amount of interstate travel for work) and stay just a little inside the lines where there can be no argument about your abiding, and be a positive role model to those you meet, I have a few time I think I have really got a Anti-gun/CCW individual to see thing my way, by being the first person to set it down for them in a calm Reasonable manner for them and lay it on the table, when asked by these people why I carry I tell them" I have a wife and five kids who rely on me so I have to be sure that I make it home every night regardless, and I have to look them the eyes when I get there". We all know how to act, sometimes we are just so fed up that we just don't want to! But as the responsible gun owners that we are, we have to be the example to the people who I feel mostly from ignorance do not feel the way we do about our right and duty to protect ourselves, our families, and our communities. A high ranking member of the Soviet military was interviewed after the fall of the iron curtain and he was asked why the USSR never attacked us even when they knew that we couldn't win (jimmy carter) he replied that they know by running the number that they could take the USA, but they could not occupy it because" to many guns in the hands of pRivate citizens" and remember that the news never runs a story about he positive effects of our rights, just the tragic effects of those who don't do the right thing, and every, single, time ,that some thing happens. They run the story on the quarter hour so we have a lot of negative publicity to over come, and that this how we protect our rights!

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JohnDoe1999

 

Never waste your time talking to a police officer it is like telling the drug testing nurse you do not

do drugs.

 

police are just like the public the cop may be a socialist a hater of whatever you seem to be

having a bad day whatever and the worst person to ask about any law is a peace officer

I have over heard to many wrong answers from LE.

there are free legal and online information but still a judge is the final answer.

 

as far a onsite always remain calm do not ask questions and keep your hands where they can bee seen.

in some states if you have a CCW permit you must present it at contact

say you have a permit keep your hands on the wheel do not move

until asked.

do be a rube and have a badge it annoys the hell out of some officers.

and do not make any fast moves do what the officer asks and do not offer any information period

if asked your going to wal mart and know where the nearest one is if asked why I was bored.

 

if it goes any farther then state this seems too intense so do what you think is best.

leave all choices and questions to the officer period have no opinion no show of emotion or do

anything until asked and only give what is asked for and no more and keep your mouth shut.

and try to be polite yes officer or no officer nothing else.

 

you never know why your being stopped some one looking like you may have been called in on

in a major felony or your a swimsuit model and he needs a date for the P.O. ball.

never assume, and be patient it will all be apparent eventually.

Edited by juzcallmesnake

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Good points, Snake, especially about answer questions as simply as possible and volunteer nothing!

 

you never know why your being stopped some one looking like you may have been called in on

 

When I was going to summer school at Oklahoma one year I had my family with me in an RV I'd rented in Phoenix. I saw a campus officer pull up behind us as we sat down for supper. I glanced out the side mirror and saw him, back to the side of the RV (that's a CLUE, but I missed it) slowly walking (another CLUE) toward the door of the RV. I went to the door, popped it open and stepped out saying something like "Good evening, officer". He half drew his gun (OK, I got THAT CLUE), saw I was unarmed, started asking me questions. My answers put him at ease and he met the family and had a cup of coffee with us. Seems an RV matching the description of mine with AZ plates had been involved in a kidnapping in California and was last seen heading east. They thought it might have been us.

 

My missing all the CLUES nominated me for the Darwin award but fortunately the campus LEO was restrained enough to not over react. I'm not sure I'd have been so lucky in other places. Never, ever, do anything that might indicate hostile action. You might not survive the result.

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Capt Bart

 

yes it happened to me I got the message as 2 cars pulled me over looking for a big red truck as soon

as they saw my face and my hands they knew I was not the one he yelled be careful we are looking

for a blond slender guy in a red truck, I waved they took off and I was glad not to look anything like

the guy they were looking for.

I pulled into a eatery and waited for a couple of hours till I figured they got him.

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Capt Bart

 

yes it happened to me I got the message as 2 cars pulled me over looking for a big red truck as soon

as they saw my face and my hands they knew I was not the one he yelled be careful we are looking

for a blond slender guy in a red truck, I waved they took off and I was glad not to look anything like

the guy they were looking for.

I pulled into a eatery and waited for a couple of hours till I figured they got him.

 

You gotta love Snake. He is all about food. He could probably make combat boots taste good.

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People's Republik of Kalifornia just banned the last of our open carry rights Jan. 1 this year (unloaded open carry), siting public fear, by legislative act. The City and County of Scam Francisco only issues CCW to politicos like Diane Fienstien(9), Nancy Pelosi(4) and Barbra Boxer(4). All three of those "Ladies" are advocates of more stringent and repressive gun laws yet demand to have Armed private security details. Ms. Fienstien made a big production of relinquishing her personal CCW and on the same day added another armed guard to her staff, with CCW.

 

Kalifornia is a "shall issue" state. What that means, in the real world, is that the County Sheriff, or Cheif of Police must have a clear published guidelines on how one would go about getting a CCW. Most rural counties take the 12-24 hour class, shoot the qualification, submit the fingerprint & background check and pay for the permit (+/- $500.00) and your done. Most urban counties have Cheifs of Police so it starts to get more complicated. The Sheriff is elected and answers to the voters whereas the police Cheif is hired by other elected officials and is answerable to them, not the citizenry. That means effectively they don't care so much if they enoy voters, they don't have to listen to them.

 

The point is just be thankful for the rights you have and to be ever vigilant/jealous of your rights, which ever ones that we talking about.

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People's Republik of Kalifornia just banned the last of our open carry rights Jan. 1 this year (unloaded open carry), siting public fear, by legislative act. The City and County of Scam Francisco only issues CCW to politicos like Diane Fienstien(9), Nancy Pelosi(4) and Barbra Boxer(4). All three of those "Ladies" are advocates of more stringent and repressive gun laws yet demand to have Armed private security details. Ms. Fienstien made a big production of relinquishing her personal CCW and on the same day added another armed guard to her staff, with CCW.

 

Kalifornia is a "shall issue" state. What that means, in the real world, is that the County Sheriff, or Cheif of Police must have a clear published guidelines on how one would go about getting a CCW. Most rural counties take the 12-24 hour class, shoot the qualification, submit the fingerprint & background check and pay for the permit (+/- $500.00) and your done. Most urban counties have Cheifs of Police so it starts to get more complicated. The Sheriff is elected and answers to the voters whereas the police Cheif is hired by other elected officials and is answerable to them, not the citizenry. That means effectively they don't care so much if they enoy voters, they don't have to listen to them.

 

The point is just be thankful for the rights you have and to be ever vigilant/jealous of your rights, which ever ones that we talking about.

 

I just don't know what to say that has not been said here a thousand times, other than good luck comrade, when they come in the night for you save one round.

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in missouri we cant carry a concealed weapon into any place that make more than 50% of it money from liqour sales and it is worth noting neighbor to the north that your state does not welcome my missouri rights at all. PS a taser is not a weapon under our laws but the possesion of brass knuckles is a weapon felony period along with butterfly knifes and switchblades but I can carry anything else even class 3 ( if properly registered) as long as it is concealed.

 

I believe we do recognize yours now, they have been working more on that and since you recognize ours we recognize yours

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Sir, I hardly think that the HossUSMC behaved aggressively or belligerently. I'm not advocating an argument with police, I'm saying to stand up for one's rights by informing police of the Law when they are ignorant. When a police officer gets belligerent and arrests on a false premise, I will not resist, and I fully understand my rights. I feel it's unfortunate that a peace officer's authority persists even after they have violated the law, but that doesn't influence my behavior. I fully understand the immense responsibility of carrying a firearm and I feel that you're insinuating that I don't. I'm slow to anger, and I've never uttered an angry word with a gun on my person.

John,

I did not intend to insinuate anything and I do, really - no sarcasm here, apologize if it came across that way. If it is important enough to you to be right, then by all means inform the officer that he has the law wrong. I've just found that officers (I worked for the Phoenix PD for 5 years) don't particularly react well to having a 'citizen' (one of 'them' as opposed to 'us') explain the law to them. My goal in an armed encounter is to keep it as low key as possible. I want the officer relaxed and not feeling threatened. My goal is to help him avoid feeling belligerent. If he or a fellow officers has recently been in an incident, he will be pumped from the outset. Is it right, is it the way things should be? Of course not. Every officer should be Sargent Joe Friday and react appropriately to every situation. Fact is, they aren't and they don't. They are human just like I am with flaws and blemishes. My goal is to have as calm an encounter as possible. That way, no one gets hurt. If you have the time for the trip downtown and think that it is important enough to escalate the encounter, go ahead. Just be aware, you may be dealing with Sheriff Cyrus Buelton from the movie 'TANK' rather than Sgt. Friday.

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Im not disrespecting anyone here but I feel the people in the video were legally right but morally wrong yes its legal and right to be able to open carry but for gods sake just show the cops some id its not going to kill you.

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