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you always hear that if we close the boarders than we will cut off the flow of migrant workers that work for low low wages. That is supposed to triple the price of produce. WRONG WRONG WRONG. what it will do is triple the labor price in picking the produce. Example would be that you would pay 11 cents more per head of lettuce. The news folks cant even get the math right. Just another scare tactic.

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wow, i hope i didnt shut this thread down with my post................

 

LOL, i'm surprised some men in a black SUVs didn't come in the dark of the night and get you! I was thinking of some pretty good response to the question but Rick sir I do believe you hit the nail on the head, on all accounts.

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LOL, i'm surprised some men in a black SUVs didn't come in the dark of the night and get you! I was thinking of some pretty good response to the question but Rick sir I do believe you hit the nail on the head, on all accounts.

 

thank you tinder. i gotta say though, if it were not for me being from WV and remembering how is was there when i was a kid, i might not have as strong views as i do.

man, folks like to make fun of us from WV. thats ok too. some of the best folks ive ever met are from there. one of the most beautiful places in the world. hank already told ya'll once, but i'll remind ya,

"we say grace and we say ma'am if ya aint in to that we dont give a damn". ;)

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hey rick. once again you nailed it. It is good to know where you are going but never forget where you came from. I was raised with Sir and Ma'am as well as my wife and kids. It shocks many people to hear it. Common courtesy has been replaced with the quick insult.

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hey rick. once again you nailed it. It is good to know where you are going but never forget where you came from. I was raised with Sir and Ma'am as well as my wife and kids. It shocks many people to hear it. Common courtesy has been replaced with the quick insult.

 

one of our customers at work brought her daughter with her when she got her car worked on.

one snooty......individual too. so i opened the door for them in passing. mom bopped in like i owed her something, the little girl who could not have been more than 7 yrs old came through also as i held the door.

"thank you sir" as she passed. my heart sank. i couldnt believe it. she was the cutest lil thang too.

she just looked up at me and smiled as she walked to the counter. i was like stuck on stupid ya know. so i had to wait to open the door for them again. HAD TO. so here came momma waltzing through like she owned the place and 1/2 of everybody in it. (God i just wanted to let the door slam..... N/M)

so here come ole Ms Thang.... "thank you sir" as she batter her cute lil eyes in passing. OMG!

so as they waited for their car to be pulled around i made small talk. i said to the lady, your daughter is so very polite and quite the charmer to boot. "yeah her dad has been really stepping up his game since i took him back to court. hes been teaching her". you havent a clue as to how bad i wanted to address my thoughts to that comment awake. if i did, i would have been fired. here is this little sweetheart of a girl, so polite, very charming, and her mom is a rude dead beat. dude she might have been 8 tops i swear it.

thank God for her dad. there is hope for that child yet. as for the mom, its no damn wonder why dad isnt with her mom any more.

oh in my house, there will be chores and there will be mannors. oh, and there will NOT be any back talking either. and damn if you'll come home with that shrapnel in your face called jewlery either. ok i can do earrings, and maybe a nose deal like a lil diamond, but thats it.

yeah i was in a metal band when i was 16 ya know. i know how important it is to be "yourself" when your at that age. but man, most of these examples we have for kids these days, OH HELL NO.

they wouldnt have survived round 1 back in my day i promise you that. i blame the kid. i blame the parents. i blame the Gov, and yep, i blame the teachers too, and the school systems.

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** ensure that the Constitution IS the ONLY guideline. Not "interpretation of a living document" or "international law" to muddy the waters. If it's specific IN the Constitution and/or Amendments, then it's applicable to the federal government. Everything else falls under the 10th - as was intended.

 

** get rid of all government agencies that do not fall under specific (Constitutional) jurisdiction of the federal government.

 

** redo taxes. Fair Tax or some sort of consumption is appropriate. And with the first two actions, there really won't need to be a trillion dollars in debt incurred each year.

 

** eliminate all of the unconstitutional laws that have been passed and not challenged in court.

 

** outlaw the "general fund" concept in federal finances. EVERY dollar taxed has a purpose for being taken from the taxpayers BEFORE they're taxed - and is used for that purpose only. If it's not needed for that purpose, it is returned to the taxpayers.

 

** all elected officials are paid the average wage of their constituents. If you're making a crap-load of money in the private sector, you're probably doing something right and we need you to keep doing it. You don't need the incentive of a crap-load more wealth on the backs of taxpayers.

 

** bring our troops, all of them, back home. We've spent too much time and money trying win the hearts and minds of peoples who, frankly, only want our money, and we're allowing our homeland to be invaded and overrun by a foreign army whose greatest weapon is our own generosity.

 

** finally, along with above, if there's a military solution NEEDED somewhere in the world, then send the military and let them do their jobs. Billions of dollars are spent every year to make sure we've got the best-trained, best-equipped military on the planet. And then they get hamstrung by politicians who are concerned about Johnny Thumbsucker's vote. If the idea of collateral damage is unacceptable, then a military solution is unacceptable - work it out politically. Keep the politics out of the military missions and the military missions out of the politics.

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** ensure that the Constitution IS the ONLY guideline. Not "interpretation of a living document" or "international law" to muddy the waters. If it's specific IN the Constitution and/or Amendments, then it's applicable to the federal government. Everything else falls under the 10th - as was intended.

 

** get rid of all government agencies that do not fall under specific (Constitutional) jurisdiction of the federal government.

 

** redo taxes. Fair Tax or some sort of consumption is appropriate. And with the first two actions, there really won't need to be a trillion dollars in debt incurred each year.

 

** eliminate all of the unconstitutional laws that have been passed and not challenged in court.

 

** outlaw the "general fund" concept in federal finances. EVERY dollar taxed has a purpose for being taken from the taxpayers BEFORE they're taxed - and is used for that purpose only. If it's not needed for that purpose, it is returned to the taxpayers.

 

** all elected officials are paid the average wage of their constituents. If you're making a crap-load of money in the private sector, you're probably doing something right and we need you to keep doing it. You don't need the incentive of a crap-load more wealth on the backs of taxpayers.

 

** bring our troops, all of them, back home. We've spent too much time and money trying win the hearts and minds of peoples who, frankly, only want our money, and we're allowing our homeland to be invaded and overrun by a foreign army whose greatest weapon is our own generosity.

 

** finally, along with above, if there's a military solution NEEDED somewhere in the world, then send the military and let them do their jobs. Billions of dollars are spent every year to make sure we've got the best-trained, best-equipped military on the planet. And then they get hamstrung by politicians who are concerned about Johnny Thumbsucker's vote. If the idea of collateral damage is unacceptable, then a military solution is unacceptable - work it out politically. Keep the politics out of the military missions and the military missions out of the politics.

problem with repealing everything back to the first ten amendments is: you get rid of all the alphabet agencies, bureaux, departments and services, and end up with five million odd unemployable (rude, don't know how to communicate with "normal" people, unable to communicate without a gun in their hands and a team behind them) people.

but you will have a whole lot more dollars in pocket, because irs would only take enough from state to run federal government, state takes just enough from local to operate, and local takes only what they can justifiably get out og the common taxpayer. and since the common man is more self-sufficient, taxes will be negligable.

no, imagine all the unemployed people - lobbyists, bureaucrats and the pimple-faced dude scratching his arse in the back of senator X's office, which would also disappear - only a secretary to keep senator up to date, and a filing clerk, if he doesn't have the brain cell to write his own speech, why is he even in office?

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Ill play devil's advocate here

 

First for the original post.. if you are the only one in charge making all the power decisions then didn't you just shit on the whole reason we have the Constitution in place?

 

The whole reason our forefathers fought the brits was because we were sick of monarchies.

 

but to answer your question if for some insane, twilight zone, reason i got put in total charge I would abolish the 2 party system and allow parties like not only the teaparty and libertarians but the green party and other more liberal parties to have equal say. then make a speech in front of the country about why the .gov has been so corrupt with its corrupt politicians on both sides and why i am abolishing it. then i would call for all the parties that want to form to immediately select their candidates so we we can have a national vote and upon a clear winner voted in popular vote "by the people" I would immediately step down since no republic can prosper under the guidance of only one man. That the Constitution was put in place so everyone regardless of their views can have a say and should not be dictated too by any one political party just because that is their only choice I would end it by warning the citizens of being lazy and and not being active in politics, reminding them of Rome.

 

the only law I would enact is one that clearly defines that any government individual or group that tries to circumvent the Constitution by twisting it or breaking from it shall be immediately impeached, fired or generally kicked to the curb and replaced by vote by the people with a more qualified person or persons of their choosing.

 

sorry this isn't a post about stringing up murderers and kicking out all the illegals and telling OPEC to get fucked but if you really want us to do all those then you need to start with cleaning up our own house first.. IE D.C. and all the corrupt local governments. once you make people understand what this country was founded on let and them know that we can start fresh as the republic we were meant to be then all kinds of things will happen. You cant ever force people to be better for their own good.. we already have obama in office doing that. he is the result of lazy voters and screwed up 2 party system.

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The people we have in office right now and in the past are the people we voted in. I guess it is always possible that the vote was manipulated in some manner and probably some will argue that it was but by-and-large, we got who we voted for. So I can only conclude that if the country is not going in the direction you feel is best then you ought to look to your fellow citizens.

 

I have a company and there a couple of employees that voted for our current administration. I was curious about the reasons they did so because they are good folks that mean well and do a good job for me. So I spent some time talking with them. What I learned really bothers me. Basically they held economic and military views that were, at best, uneducated. Let me give you an example.

 

They felt that corporations were not paying their fair share of taxes. I won’t argue that that may or may not be true with some corporations. I pointed out to them that my company was a corporation and, in fact, any money I received as an owner was taxed twice. First, the corporation was taxed and second my salary was taxed. So I paid taxes twice. They did not believe that so I went on the IRS site and was easily able to show them the tax code which happened to be very clear on this issue. I then went on to say that actually I could be taxed three times if the corporation retained a certain amount of profit beyond a set point, then the next year that “excess” profit would be taxed again! They were totally unaware of how this really worked but at the same time they were unwilling to reconsider their long held viewpoint on corporations.

 

This is only one single example of many that we discussed where their worldview of how something worked was considerably different than what reality was. Because of this discrepancy they voted the way they did.

 

My fear is that most people work this way. The information is there but they do not take time to educate themselves or to check on the veracity of what they are being told. Why do they do that? Why do we get funny looks when we discuss prepping? It is the nature of human beings and what their own personal experiences are.

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The people we have in office right now and in the past are the people we voted in. I guess it is always possible that the vote was manipulated in some manner and probably some will argue that it was but by-and-large, we got who we voted for. So I can only conclude that if the country is not going in the direction you feel is best then you ought to look to your fellow citizens.

 

I have a company and there a couple of employees that voted for our current administration. I was curious about the reasons they did so because they are good folks that mean well and do a good job for me. So I spent some time talking with them. What I learned really bothers me. Basically they held economic and military views that were, at best, uneducated. Let me give you an example.

 

They felt that corporations were not paying their fair share of taxes. I won’t argue that that may or may not be true with some corporations. I pointed out to them that my company was a corporation and, in fact, any money I received as an owner was taxed twice. First, the corporation was taxed and second my salary was taxed. So I paid taxes twice. They did not believe that so I went on the IRS site and was easily able to show them the tax code which happened to be very clear on this issue. I then went on to say that actually I could be taxed three times if the corporation retained a certain amount of profit beyond a set point, then the next year that “excess” profit would be taxed again! They were totally unaware of how this really worked but at the same time they were unwilling to reconsider their long held viewpoint on corporations.

 

This is only one single example of many that we discussed where their worldview of how something worked was considerably different than what reality was. Because of this discrepancy they voted the way they did.

 

My fear is that most people work this way. The information is there but they do not take time to educate themselves or to check on the veracity of what they are being told. Why do they do that? Why do we get funny looks when we discuss prepping? It is the nature of human beings and what their own personal experiences are.

 

I wish I could argue but you are spot on. We have 'educated' the ability to reason out of our children and voters. If you really want to get a "are you nuts" look, next time someone says we have to help whoever, ask them 'why?' That's all, just 'why'? Well, because SOMEBODY has to solve this problem. Again the question isn't why me, it is just 'why'? Any argument can be won if you will allow me to set the beginning parameters. Listen, and I mean LISTEN, to the talking heads on TV. They are talking about 'how do you feel' as if how someone feels matters a tinker's dam in this world. It does not! What matters is reality not perception. FACT, hard, cold, immutable, no gray area FACT is the only thing decisions can be made on that have a hope of leading to an improved world, nation, state, city or personal decision. I am not 'entitled' to success. I am entitled to be as successful as my God given talents and drive take me, except that the progressive governments of the world step in and take what I have made away to ensure equality of misery with those who 'feel' 'entitled' to have a share of what I work for.

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The people we have in office right now and in the past are the people we voted in. I guess it is always possible that the vote was manipulated in some manner and probably some will argue that it was but by-and-large, we got who we voted for.

 

 

hum...... i dont know about that one.

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I'm wondering how I found my way onto this site! Hello, my name is oregonchick and I'm a liberal who voted for Obama... and probably will again.

 

If I were given total control of our government, here would be my priorities:

 

* Reduced budget, reversal of the trade deficit, repair social security, delineate what should be handled federally versus at a state or local level AND force the federal government to underwrite funding for national standards that are forced on state/local agencies (for example, with No Child Left Behind, Congress didn't fully fund it AND didn't pay even as much as was initially promised, so with reporting/testing and other expenses, it further hollowed out public education budgets - this is not an uncommon approach for federal programs)

 

* Sustainability and self-sufficiency become part of the national vernacular - whether it's freeing ourselves from foreign oil or imported goods, ensuring we produce enough to feed our own citizens on a national level, or encouraging/providing resources for preparedness at a local or regional level

 

* Delivering on what has been promised to our armed forces and what they deserve (true living wage, top-of-the-line healthcare including for mental health, support for families of those who are deployed, support for those whose family members are injured/killed, education, housing, employment... the list goes on)

 

* Fine politicians for statements that are factually inaccurate and misleading. Make politics more easily transparent for citizens (have you ever looked up info from the FEC? nightmare! so let's make it easy for people to track money in politics, Congressional voting records, budget appropriations, etc.) Also force Congress to put some teeth on their own internal investigations by cutting perks/committee participation for members found in violation, especially on ethics issues; restrict Congressional healthcare, retirement, and salaries to that of the average American (by the way, this will likely take care of the term limits issue, because only those with a calling for stewardship would stay and those who are in it for power/personal gain will look elsewhere). Seriously monitor K Street. Challenge the Supreme Court "corporate personhood" decision

 

* Find a way to divorce news media from conglomerates and multi-national corporations, since chasing the dollar is the focus instead of delivering hard-hitting, incisive, accurate reporting

 

* Reevaluating the need for anything called "war on..." and any position referred to as "czar"; they tend to be of a particularly political bent and need to be refocused for REAL national goals/needs/threats

 

* Taking a pragmatic approach to environmental protection and goal-setting (we are going to need oil-based fuel for the foreseeable future; how do we make that happen without undermining the well-being of the public and natural resources WITHOUT remaining tied to foreign sources; preservation and rebuilding of species is a priority, but how do we address the impact on those whose livelihood is threatened by actions; stepping up REAL oversight of corporations in terms of pollution and safety regulations and, if necessary, incentivizing compliance to maintain jobs without backing away from priorities, etc.)

 

* Total overhaul of public education system; priorities would be teaching functional education (reading, writing, math, science, computer and self-care skills, with an emphasis on critical thinking and ethics) that is grounded in history and geography, vocational/technical programs and military service would receive equal treatment to university education in terms of what we'd consider a "good outcome" for a high school graduate, and state and community colleges would be free or nearly so (if this is not a practical possibility, then post-education "service employment" can be provided to allow grads to work off their college debt by working in areas of local and national need within a matter of a couple of years)

 

* Interceding if necessary to prevent public schools from becoming the whipping boy for a national debate on faith and working toward something that is pragmatic and GENUINELY inclusive instead of being exclusive of everything (to my thinking, schools should not be instructing in religion - including displaying 10 Commandments, leading prayers, teaching creation theories that are faith-based, etc. - but neither should religion be treated on a par with school violence - so *student-led* prayer is fine, informing of religious influences within the context of greater learning like Bible themes that appear throughout literature, acknowledging conflicting creation stories and referring students to parents/clergy for clarification, allowing celebration of ALL holidays and even things like singing carols, etc., would be encouraged)

 

* Legalize gay marriage. It's a civil rights issue, people - marriage conveys both legal and social benefits, and denying fellow citizens the right to establish a family in this way is unjustifiable. We're not a theocracy, so making up arbitrary distinctions between citizens because God says so isn't acceptable; however, CHURCHES should be allowed to decide whether they will perform/acknowledge gay marriage. The only Constitutionally compatible alternative, as far as I see it, is to eliminate marriage entirely from state consideration - no tax breaks, no automatic legal recognition of spouses, etc. - and make it entirely a religious designation. (Of course, you should remember that some churches might still perform the ceremonies, so no guarantees that Adam and Steve won't be husbands anyway.)

 

* National health care, setting priorities on prevention and a holistic or whole-body approach to wellness (educating people about the value of immunizations, routine care, dental hygiene, etc., making weight management and chronic disease management programs affordable and readily available, dealing with medical malpractice claims/insurance so that "high risk" specializations aren't becoming more difficult to fill especially in rural communities, widespread access to contraception, prenatal care, and sexual education, etc.). Yes, I would insist that abortion be kept legal and available BUT like most pro-choice people I know, I see abortion as evidence of a failure - failure to educate, to prepare, to empower people to make better decisions, which leads to unwanted pregnancy - so my hope would be to not only make abortion more available but also LESS frequent

 

I'm not going to address foreign policy, the military, or the UN here. For one, this is damn long and I've barely scratched the surface of domestic policy. For another, I am 100% certain that should I be in charge of the U.S., I'd be calling in experts to help me on these areas. And debating what reforms the UN needs could take a lifetime, however, I will state that I think it's vitally important that the US remain involved in the UN or a similar international organization.

 

Oh! And one area where I do think I differ from a lot of liberals is that I would create a functional system for gun control NOT with the idea of eliminating gun ownership wherever possible, but simply working on ways to ensure that felons and minors are not allowed to own guns (felons for obvious reasons; minors because they need instruction/oversight much like we don't allow children to drive cars), and to enable/encourage safe handling (again, much like we do with autos). I also think that a national policy is the only sensible approach in this case because our state and city borders are porous, so it's bizarre to know that someone who lives a couple of miles away from you could be legally armed to the teeth while you're essentially unarmed because of nothing more significant than your zip code. I don't think bans on assault rifles or handguns make much sense. I DO think requiring a criminal background check does.

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do my best to find a better replacement for myself.........dont want the job, hard enough keeping ME in line.

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oregonchick,

I'm not sure you are a progressive/liberal in the mold of the modern progressive. I'm not going to argue politics; I will point out a couple of things. First we already have a clear, firm delineation of what the Feds can do and what only the states can do. It is called the constitution and is simply being ignored. If that is ignored, then no additional law will fare better. The biggest problem with your gun control scheme is the problem with most things, education, health care, drug enforcement etc. That problem is "who decides"? You might trust this administration but what about the one after or the one after that? It is almost impossible to take power away from a government. That is what we are trying to do now and it is demonstrably difficult. Most Americans say they want smaller, less intrusive government but it is tough to figure out how.

I agree that we probably don't want me to have a nuke on my dining room table. That isn't covered by the second amendment but what about a .50 BMG? I think it is covered. I also disagree about keeping ex-convicts from owning firearms. If they have "paid their debt to society" by what right do we keep them from exercising the full citizenship that liberals say they have? If they can vote, why can they not own a gun? As for minors, last time I checked the constitution, that was a power left to the state. Just like the way the fed has nationalized education with things like 'No child left behind' (a warm fuzzy name for a very poisonous bill) government always seeks to increase its power. Trouble is, "government" is even Washington. It is mid-level functionaries like me who can ruin your life with no accountability except my own conscious that has been formed by the government schools. Just remember, Nationalized health care has been a disaster everywhere it is being enforced. Do you really want ME deciding who lives or dies?

When you say something should be done a certain way, nation wide, you are saying that the government should take, by force, more of my rights to accomplish some goal. The problem is, historically, most of our troubles are the result of government action. I have little faith that more of what caused the problem is the solution to the problem.

 

Just my not so humble opinion.

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Oh! And one area where I do think I differ from a lot of liberals is that I would create a functional system for gun control NOT with the idea of eliminating gun ownership wherever possible, but simply working on ways to ensure that felons and minors are not allowed to own guns (felons for obvious reasons; minors because they need instruction/oversight much like we don't allow children to drive cars), and to enable/encourage safe handling (again, much like we do with autos). I also think that a national policy is the only sensible approach in this case because our state and city borders are porous, so it's bizarre to know that someone who lives a couple of miles away from you could be legally armed to the teeth while you're essentially unarmed because of nothing more significant than your zip code. I don't think bans on assault rifles or handguns make much sense. I DO think requiring a criminal background check does.

 

Um, I may have missed your point - but what you suggest here is already in place. Every time I purchase a firearm from a dealer, I have to fill out the little FBI form. The dealer calls it in and the FBI computers do their buzzing and whirring and clicking and then a validation code comes back stating that I'm of legal age and not DQ'd myself on any of the pertinent categories.

 

As was stated before I got here, I don't want to argue politics in this forum - but you don't sound like a flaming Progressive to me. You sound like an intelligent person with whom I may disagree on a thing or two.

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yes the UN would be gone indeed.

 

So Draconian, so much venom.....gets your blood running hot....I love it.

UN-done, UN-necessary, UN-wanted. Kind of like the famous League of Nations, anyone remember that fiasco?

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Um, I may have missed your point - but what you suggest here is already in place. Every time I purchase a firearm from a dealer, I have to fill out the little FBI form. The dealer calls it in and the FBI computers do their buzzing and whirring and clicking and then a validation code comes back stating that I'm of legal age and not DQ'd myself on any of the pertinent categories.

 

Yeah, I know. I was just stating how I differ from a lot of liberals I know who are more of the, "but why do we even NEED private citizens to own guns? Isn't that what the police and the military are for?" school of thought. They are also the ones who don't understand that hunting is just taking personal responsibility for gathering the free-range, cruelty-free meat that was raised on only the best organic material nature can provide.

 

As was stated before I got here, I don't want to argue politics in this forum - but you don't sound like a flaming Progressive to me. You sound like an intelligent person with whom I may disagree on a thing or two.

 

I tend to describe myself as a pragmatic liberal, or a moderate Democrat. I'm VERY liberal on social issues (basically, I don't think it's any of my or the government's business what adults say, do, or believe as long as it's not harming others - especially children), but I pull toward the center on fiscal policy, national defense, etc.

 

FWIW, I enjoy that this country goes back and forth between liberal and conservative leaders and control of Congress. I think it's a natural thing for our people to go a little back-and-forth when it comes to major change and big decisions, and over the long run, it keeps our nation on an even keel. I don't think the Republicans are going to take back the White House in 2012... but I think that (unless something truly spectacular happens over the next four years), the GOP will definitely get there in 2016. Especially if they can find a decent candidate!

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That problem is "who decides"? You might trust this administration but what about the one after or the one after that? It is almost impossible to take power away from a government. That is what we are trying to do now and it is demonstrably difficult. Most Americans say they want smaller, less intrusive government but it is tough to figure out how.

 

... Just like the way the fed has nationalized education with things like 'No child left behind' (a warm fuzzy name for a very poisonous bill) government always seeks to increase its power. Trouble is, "government" is even Washington. It is mid-level functionaries like me who can ruin your life with no accountability except my own conscious that has been formed by the government schools.

 

I do think that this is a problem, at least in part fueled by how hard it is to get rid of even BUREAUCRACY once it takes root. It is much easier to grow it than to shrink it. And I'd say part of the blame also lies with average citizens, who say they despise big governments yet actually do expect a LOT of government investment in their lives (from infrastructure to retirement to Medicaid to...). We want it all, we don't want to have to learn about it, we're offended when we're billed for it, and we get pissed when we're told no. It's basically the surly teenager approach to self-governance.

 

When you say something should be done a certain way, nation wide, you are saying that the government should take, by force, more of my rights to accomplish some goal. The problem is, historically, most of our troubles are the result of government action. I have little faith that more of what caused the problem is the solution to the problem.

 

Just my not so humble opinion.

 

I disagree that most of our troubles are the result of government action. I think that yes, many problems have been caused by government, but government has also been a very positive force in other situations. And government INACTION has also created a lot of trouble (example: exactly *where* was the oversight in the banking industry that could have prevented the mortgage crisis?). Government is neither a universal good nor a universal evil, and unfortunately, it's also not a very easy tool to wield, so sometimes a lot of tinkering (or scrapping and starting over, or abandoning a project altogether) is necessary for best results... and we seem to elect fewer and fewer people with the intestinal fortitude to actually see things through when the polls are against them.

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OC,

Looking at government from the inside, I do not like what I see. I see the corrupt politicians like the ones who bankrupted Jefferson County, Alabama. I also see what is happening in the courts, sometime it is not the fault of the courts sometimes it is what they have to work with. I see under staffed positions all the way through, under funded areas and I ask why. The only good answer is politicians take money from you and use that money to buy their jobs for the next term. Once they are secure in their jobs, then they do like Verizon, the friends and family plan. They funnel jobs to all types of other people who will make either contributions to them or will help them gain more power. Plato was right with his view on Politicians and lawyers.

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Ship Pelosi,Reid and Obama to France.

 

Do you really dislike the Frogs that much? Algeria, yes. Bolivia, yes but too close. But France? The people who gave us French fries? (LOL, I know) Maybe, even Madagascar...no scratch that, I like that cartoon. On second thought, let it be France.

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they will give you syphilis too if you ain't careful lol

 

oregonchick:

 

explain Aids / HIV now that hurts others so how do you figure it is not our business seeing how

it has gotten into the emergency blood and bone marrow as well as tissue an organ supply?

 

I ain't a prude and am not homophobic but innocent people/ children have died so how is this politically

charged problem going to be mitigated without hurting someones feelings or the pie in the sky

that we are getting close to a cure.

 

also for many years the gay community laughed as US for being married and thumbed their nose

at convention but I guess the 2,400 dollars a month medication bill makes that non restricted preexisting

condition insurance coverage for married couples look good I am sure that is not the reason but straighten

me out if I am wrong.

hey I got diabetes and insurance companies run away from me like I was a hooker with saber tooth crotch

critters.

and when I jumped out of planes I was hard pressed to find insurance, now I do not condone

looking in peoples windows or looking at there "personal" activities but full and complete

disclosure or some penalty like pay back what you took by fraud.

 

I like a equal playing field way before Aids insurance was affordable now not so much if an insurance

company wont cover me for diabetes and deep sea and scuba diving and sky diving well I think AIDS

is as serious or dangerous and if my regulator or compressor went out or chute did not open

unless I fell on someone {that's why we do it in controlled space} I was not risking anyone's life but mine.

 

why should I pay for 3 other peoples problem shouldn't it be like car insurance more points more money?

 

well I know this is all academic it is not going to stop because I question it or do not like something

I just want clarity you know the open clear operation of government we were promised.

I am just trying to help here to gain insight and understanding for all of us because I am confused

and I really want to vote for the right candidate because this election looks like it my be close.

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I knew you would come around sooner or later....:)

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