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Are there any pilots on here? I’m just wondering if any one else has thought about the whole idea of bugging out via aircraft. I fly for a Sheriffs office plus I have access to a few planes that I fly for some rich friends on the side. When I hear people talking about bug out vehicles I start thinking out about a bug out plane. As a pilot I know that if stuff got really bad you could hit your local airport with a pair of bolt cutters and leave with what ever airplane you chose to take. The best part is that almost all airplanes are full of fuel all the time due to condensation in the gas tanks causing water in the fuel. So most people keep um full to prevent that. You can land in remote spots with aircraft that not even zombies could find you in if you got the skills. Even if you lived in downtown NY City you could be into the very remote country side in less then an hour with no traffic jams to worry about.

 

So to recap:

 

1) Your local airport is full of airplanes

 

2) I bet you most of them are full of fuel (leaded fuel)

 

3) NO traffic jams to worry about, you will be looking down at the poor guys stuck in traffic

 

4) You can do a very good ariel recon of the area you plan on sitting up shop in before you move in.

 

5) You can relocate quickly if you have to.

 

6) Charlie don’t surf and Zombies can’t fly.

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My background is mainly in bush flying and I fly a STOL (short take off & landing) aircraft at work where I only need a couple hundred feet of runway. A good gravel bar, field or just an old logging road is enough if you have the skills and pick the right aircraft. If all you have been around are spam cans (cessnas, pipers, etc.) and have spent your flying life on a nicely maintained FAA approved airport then using a bug out aircraft is probaly not your best answer. The nosie would not be a factor just in my area alone there are a hundred places I could land that would put me miles from the nearest road or house and there is no way that far out someone would see or hear me land.

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wolfpack, I also am a pilot. Good to make you acquaintance! I have a Maule M5 180C with extended range tanks. A duration of 7 hours. Way more than my bladder will support. The Maule is STOL and has a 1,000 pound payload. As you pointed out, you can land and takeoff just about anywhere!

 

As a bug out option to go to a secure location, it is unmatched. Other than that I don't think it offers much in the way of options unless the event is regional. However, as support after an event, it would be invaluable. I can think of dozens of situations that it could be used to your advantage. Available fast transportation and movement of goods would be at a premium.

 

One advantage of a light plane, like the Maule or similiar, is that it is essentially EMP proof. So I could fly my plane but not drive my car.

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I plan on taking flying lessons in a few years (once I make enough money to actually afford lessons lol). I've ALWAYS wanted to be a pilot. I love birds of prey in particular and have always dreamed of flying like one.

 

You're absolutely right about a plane being a great bug out vehicle. I think for most people its not realistic though. My hope is to get a 2-4 seat plane that can land on water. That would pretty much guarantee a landing just about anywhere for me since I'm surrounded by water.

 

As mentioned before, assuming that the SHTF really bad such as a Carrington event, being a pilot would make a person invaluable.

 

Those reasons aside, flying must be exhilarating. I really hope I get to live out my dream.

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Exit, If you really want to fly then look into getting a Sport Pilot's license. It only requires a driver's license in place of a medical. The Sport Pilot is a daylight VFR only and restricts you to carrying one passenger. You are also limited to Sport Pilot class planes like a Cub or Aeronca. However, the license can be had in 20 hours of work and is much less expensive than a regular pilot's license. You can always upgrade the license later.

 

Flying will give you a whole set of skills that easily translate into enhancing your survival prospects. I am a back country flyer and rarely land on a paved strip.

 

Please feel free to ask any questions. I would be glad to help.

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Exit, If you really want to fly then look into getting a Sport Pilot's license. It only requires a driver's license in place of a medical. The Sport Pilot is a daylight VFR only and restricts you to carrying one passenger. You are also limited to Sport Pilot class planes like a Cub or Aeronca. However, the license can be had in 20 hours of work and is much less expensive than a regular pilot's license. You can always upgrade the license later.

 

Flying will give you a whole set of skills that easily translate into enhancing your survival prospects. I am a back country flyer and rarely land on a paved strip.

 

Please feel free to ask any questions. I would be glad to help.

 

How much would that cost? If its not too bad maybe I can do it sooner.

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Exit, For an average person the training to get your Sport Pilot License would be in the $3,000 range. That is in contrast to $6 - $8,000 for a Private Pilot license. At an easy pace, you are talking about 3 to 6 months. Still a bit pricey for many people, but much less than normal. Buying or renting the planes after you have your license is also much cheaper.

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Exit, For an average person the training to get your Sport Pilot License would be in the $3,000 range. That is in contrast to $6 - $8,000 for a Private Pilot license. At an easy pace, you are talking about 3 to 6 months. Still a bit pricey for many people, but much less than normal. Buying or renting the planes after you have your license is also much cheaper.

 

Yea I have other priorities at the moment. I'd like to get an apartment first. Which is why I said in a couple years. It's definitely on my to do list. Have already spoken to the Gf about it.

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You are right. Got to keep things in priority order. I know I waited until I was married, built a home, started a business, and had kids. Almost waited too long. Sure do enjoy it now though.

 

Life is a twisty path. Good luck to you!

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I wondered if there were any other pilots around here. I've thought about a BOP (bug out plane), but if anything happens like 911 again, Id hate to be haulin butt in my little 172 only to have an F16 from McComb put a missle in my backside. I also wouldn't be able to carry all my "runnin away stuff". I've got more time off grass strips than paved though, so soft field landings are no problem at all. There's always an airport with 10 miles of you though. It may just not be anything more than a crop duster strip.

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You are right. Got to keep things in priority order. I know I waited until I was married, built a home, started a business, and had kids. Almost waited too long. Sure do enjoy it now though.

 

Life is a twisty path. Good luck to you!

 

lol I don't want to wait that long... although a business/home/marriage will probably come first..... no kids for me though :)

 

Thanks!

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Flying is more of a luxury, I would rather work on defending my base then spending thousands on a way to escape if my base is compromised.

 

But having a cheap, durable, small, safe plane in my extra barn on my big farm would be nice. If I had the barn and farm first.

 

Remember in the movie 2012, they only survived because they had a plane? If I needed to fly that bad I would find a way, flying is an instant escape.

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I have only flown a handful of times and I have never piloted an aircraft but I have a question. To those that know how to fly which would be better, a plane or a helicopter? These are the only advantages I can think of, I'm assuming that a plane can go much further, is easier to fly however you need a runway. A helicopter seems to me to be better in one major way and that you can take off and land almost anywhere. Opinions?

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That would be a good question for Capt. Bart. He flew one of those ronson lighters. You could always buy one of those ultra lights if you just wanted to go up and look around. But, after the SHTF that could be like being a FAC in Viet Nam. You would just be a lead magnet and not even have any Willie Pete to mark the spot.

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I have only flown a handful of times and I have never piloted an aircraft but I have a question. To those that know how to fly which would be better, a plane or a helicopter? These are the only advantages I can think of, I'm assuming that a plane can go much further, is easier to fly however you need a runway. A helicopter seems to me to be better in one major way and that you can take off and land almost anywhere. Opinions?

 

Without a doubt an airplane would be better than a helicopter after a SHTF event.

 

There is a whole litany of reasons involving payload, fuel, maintenance, durability, speed, range, etc.

 

I have a Maule M5-180C. I can carry four people or take out the back seat and cram 1,000 lbs of gear in to it. The Maule will land in two hundred feet and get off the ground in less than 500 feet. In a pinch it will run on hi-test instead of 100LL. I am trying to remember the last time I landed on a paved runway. Grass fields, beaches, a bend in the river with a sand bar, the top of a mountain ridge, are all potential landing sites. Two years ago I flew NON-STOP from a grass runway in eastern PA and landed in Oshkosh, Wisconsin with my brother and enough gear for a week for four guys. And I had fuel left over.

 

The little picture to the left was taken out the front window over the nose on my Maule at 3,000 ft above the Poconos.

 

If you really want to understand the capabilities of STOL-type aircraft take a look at this video

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwcNHWqBCkU

 

It is absolutely amazing what can be done!

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I have another question for ya...one would have to be pretty well off in order to get a plane, learn to fly it, maintain it and accuire fuel right? I'm probably just under middle class in terms of salary and I don't see how I would ever be able to have a plane, even a small one, and pay for everything involved..woe me =)

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I have another question for ya...one would have to be pretty well off in order to get a plane, learn to fly it, maintain it and accuire fuel right? I'm probably just under middle class in terms of salary and I don't see how I would ever be able to have a plane, even a small one, and pay for everything involved..woe me =)

 

tinderwolf, my first plane cost me $15,000 and ran on high test auto fuel. It took me about a year to get my private pilot's license. Now days you can get what is called a Sport Pilot license. Costs about $3,000. If you get a plane with folding wings (takes about 10 minutes to set up) you can keep it at home for zero dollars.

 

If you are handy you can build a plane from a kit. I just finished one.

 

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It took me and two other guys, working odd hours, about three years. Total cost was $30,000. You can build one for under $20,000. This one will take off in 90ft and land in 150ft. Since we built it we can inspect and service it. Yearly maintenance should be a couple hundred bucks. Runs on auto gas. Lands at 35mph and cruises at 90mph.

 

Is this a great prep? Hardly! :)

 

Would it give you more options? Definitely! Not to mention fun!

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Thanks for the information Rod, ironic i'm interested in this thread considering i'm a bit scared of flying...ok I hate it but for some reason I think I would be ok with it if I was in the drivers seat. Anyway, you have any more pictures of your planes? The one you have there that you build looks like a fun weekend drive.

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Tinderwolf,

 

Here is my main squeeze. :rolleyes:

 

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Coming in on short final.

 

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As you can see just about any semi-level grass field will do. Grass is much more forgiving to land on.

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jerry,

 

The kit is made by Zenith. Here is a link to their web site.

 

http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/index1.html

 

No special tools are necessary. It is assembled with a manual rivet gun. Nobody who worked on the plane had ever built an aircraft before. Here is a picture of the interior.

 

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You can find really inexpensive kits that someone bought and then changed their mind. The only thing we did different is that instead of painting the plane we had it wrapped. You know, a 3M film that is like a giant decal. That is what they do to buses and NASCAR race cars.

 

There is even a single person plane called the "Be-Lite". The kit starts at $6,800.

 

Don't underestimate what flying can bring to the table. The skillsets will absolutely improve your decision making capabilities, map reading, and self-reliance abilities. Having an aircraft available to do scouting and intelligence missions is invaluable.

 

I have even done re-suppy missions to my Boy Scout troop while they were on a long hike! That was fun!

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