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So it has happened. The shtf and now all that land you have been farming for all those years is starting to look like a Walmart parking lot on check day. City folk all over trying to start tent cities from one end of the county to the other.

 

Any ideas on how to kepp you and yours safe? You cant shoot them all...

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if you have access to moving water making tent city a flood plain comes to mind. It's not going to kill people unless it's the storm of the decade and water levels rise but turning someones home into a muddy puddle and they will move on there own.

Other things that come to mind is pitting them against each other. Offer a few of then food in exchange for breaking apart peoples camps reassuring them that there will be a place for them and you need the help to keep the land safe. Inevitably someone will stand up to them rinse lather repeat.

Offering a contaminated water supply will leave any one who doesn't boil their water sick. People don't trust water coming out of a stream but if you can make it come out of a fosset we have been conditions to not even question it.

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Cleatis: An interesting scenario. From what little info you’ve provided certain assumptions must be made: (1) the individual needing to keep his family safe is a farmer. (2) The farm is in a rural setting. (3) The growing tent city is still peaceful. (4) People are leaving the cities and the suburbs in hordes. (5) The farmer believes it will get worse therefore he is wondering how to keep his family safe.

 

Based upon these assumptions it appears that the third wave of five waves of exodus from the cities is underway.

 

The first wave of refugees was the preppers and survivalists. They began GOOD within 24 – 48 hours of the SHTF. They saw the signs, had local organized support, had the resources and means, and had a place to retreat to. They quickly passed thru the farmer’s land peacefully bartering along the way to acquire items as required. Because they had a plan, a place they were heading for, were well equipped and trained the farmer did not feel threatened as they passed thru his lands.

 

The second wave of refugees occurred about 2 – 3 weeks later. This group is larger than the first wave and consisted mainly of fairly well resourced preppers (e.g. mall preppers) who initially saw the signs but didn’t have the initial family or local support to bug out. Although they stock-piled large quantities of food, survival equipment and self defensive weapons they were ill-prepared to use these valuable resources efficiently. This large group is indecisive and poorly organized. Most of them do not have a specific place that they are trying to get to but they know that they have keep moving. Again, the farmer barters with them and doesn’t feel terribly threatened. He is concerned about the vast number of refugees.

 

During these first two waves of city refugees the Feds are beginning to get reorganized. Most of the

civilian leadership is gone or holed up in their palatial estates and the military is coming back together seeking leaders. Some of the civilians step up to the plate and some of the senior military leaders acquiesce to the civilian dictators. The Frds first priority is to regain control of the chaotic cities. They form zonal camps, centralize food and weapons collection. Rules are strict and the curfew is enforced. After two or three months of this the third wave of refugees begins to build momentum. These people sack and pillage anything that may prove to be essential to their survival and become the third wave. They are poorly equipped, food is scarce, and they have no idea where they are going just that they need to get out of the cities. The farmer’s land becomes a haven. Slowly at first people begin to congregate around the farm. There is water and because it is a farm there is a limited amount of food. The third wave of refugees is orders of magnitude greater that the first two waves.

 

The farmer knows that as soon as he refuses to barter for food and limited resources that there will be civil unrest. He knows that if he stays and fights to protect his family and property and is successful that there will be a fourth and fifth wave of refugees consisting of bandits, thieves and murderers in the fourth wave and possibly cannibals in the fifth wave. He realizes that there aren’t enough bullets or the manpower and resources to fire them.

 

Several months have gone by since SHTF, municipal infrastructure support is gone, the Feds are corrupt, and mass starvation is just around the corner. He decides to pack it up and lead his family and what little resources are still available. He has been smart in his bartering transactions and has collected a tidy sum in silver coin, small caliber bullets, and medical supplies. He decides to head to that place he has held in reserve, the place he hasn’t even discussed with his family. It’ll be tough but he’s learned a lot observing the first three waves of refugees passing thru his lands. With a lot of hard work and divine providence he again will find a safe haven for his family.

 

I know where that special place is and it’s my Plan B.

 

Fairwinds. Maybe I’ll see you there someday.

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Capt Rob

 

great post and I think your on track but I do I do have enough bullets {imagine Tweety bird saying this}

 

and psycho's murderers cannibals have dealt with all them too Java sea and certain streets at night

Wang chi area of Hong Kong and a few others as well as transport of medical patients to facilities

can you say bobby hatch, funny farm, Haldol Hilton, nut hut, dippy tepee, and not nice crazy but

the criminally insane, tricky and smart some look "like you" normal {I imagine you look normal}

I have had the distinct displeasure of meeting the most notorious and viscous murders and

convicts etc. etc. etc.

 

get out of a pair of cuffs fast as you can say crap! and reach into their sphincter and pull out a sword

like I have said I have enemies and other ones than these I ain't walking out of this world alive and

figure I have to fight it out so it comes as no surprise {the waves} I just remember the old saying

Hard times don't last hard people do and I plan to be like Tigger from Winnie the poo

"And I'am the only one!" left that is.

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Nickanator8: The description is basically a compilation of several sources I’ve read in the past. Just a few of which are:

 

(1) In 1966 Prof. Everett S. Lee, University of Pennsylvania, published A Theory of Migration. Lee's paper divides factors causing migrations into two groups of factors: push and pull factors. Push factors are things that are unfavorable about the area that one lives in, and pull factors are things that attract one to another area.

(2) Nigerian sociologist and author Alamveabee Efihraim Idyorough published a paper in 2008 proposing that humans migrate to seek: 'food, sex and security'. He believes that in order to produce food, security and reproduction, human beings must, out of necessity, move out of their usual habitation and enter into indispensable social relationships that are cooperative or antagonistic. Social services in towns and cities are provided to meet these basic needs for human survival and pleasure. As social services break down a counter migration from urban to rural occurs in waves increasing in size, intensity, and chaos as the “push factors” increase. Push factors such as lack of jobs, famine, pollution, and war, to cite just a few, act as engines that push the waves.

(3) NOVA (the author’s pseudonym), in his book American Apocalypse Wastelands (Ulysses Press, 2011), the second book of a four book series, describes a three wave exodus from the eastern seaboard cities. It was a socio-political set of waves and really had little to do with prepper/survivalists involvement.

 

I took all of these ideas and formulated my own migration concept with preppers at the forefront. I did this initially because I had an agenda. I needed to paint a picture for my family and friends of what “might” happen if SHTF. I pray to God that it doesn’t happen but it certainly helped me to energize those around me. The five wave concept, although based somewhat loosely on social science laws, is what I see happening.

 

Fairwinds.

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It's really nice to see someone who did their homework and thoroughly understands something to the point that they can explain it to just about anyone.

 

Great thesis, I applaud your dedication to understanding the science behind prepping.

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I agree about the mass movement,but not the mileage needed to get to a farm,or rural area.Gas is gone in 3 days.ALL THE NEW AND USED CAR DEALERSHIPS HAVE BEEN STRIPED OF GAS.The interstates will be cloged to the point of inpass.So its about walking with everything they own.One week at the tops I give the standard family to survive on the road.I have walked across Turkey(IZMIR) in 74 and it was amazing at the kindness I found and me not knowing anything about the spoken word there I could only use a smile and hand signals and a little barter,I had a great time..Here is the point "Its not going to be friendley at all"and you will be able to understand the spoken word,like NO your not welcome here.

 

Most will be in a goverment camp somewhere because they still will need help and will conform to what ever it takes to stay alive.

JMHO..

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Jezz Capt Rob

 

I live in Texas and I learned all that by watching Mexicans, but you did put in a great intellectual

statement with background and facts a great post.

 

your sources failed to state that insurgency for profit as in trafficking people,drugs or gems and industrial

espionage and other dark dastardly things. and sex hell they import and pimp their own off.

the list unending I can't say more swiftly darkly evil this way comes.

 

It is an estimation but more than 1 million counterfeit dollars from China a day now there being

190 nations and at least 1/3 could produce currency of any country consider that our country

has protested this but not made any headway LOL

 

nothing is as it seems the dirty end of the stick I mention everything seems so innocuous and

strait forward I wish it were but some dumbazz in Nigeria trying to imply it is only for common dreams we

wander, Sigmund Freud follower and obviously and a simple minded or shrewd socialist.

I raised cattle and can recognize bull shize when I see hear it flop and smell it.

Nigeria isn't that where we get all those e-mails from saying we have a bazillion dollars belonging to your

great aunt and if you will just give us your routing number they probably come from him LMAO

 

well In Texas were up to our necks with pimps hookers gangs murders thieves and drug dealers from

every country south of the border.

 

remember the alamo

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So it has happened. The shtf and now all that land you have been farming for all those years is starting to look like a Walmart parking lot on check day. City folk all over trying to start tent cities from one end of the county to the other.

 

Any ideas on how to kepp you and yours safe? You cant shoot them all...

 

what does all this mean? i havent a clue as to what this post is about. sorry guys.

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The tent city folk will be the people with no where to go. Most people, especially the younger, if they lost everything have family and relatives to fall back on. So you can bet that people with somewhere to go will head there. Whats dangerous is when the entire extended family is based in one city. If the city is hit you have a group of 7-50 that after regrouping and realizing they have nothing begin to move outward as a single unit. It's a probable that they will only regroup to a immediate family level but it's very possible for them to regroup to an extended family sized group.

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round everyone up and get organized. if you wanna stay, your required to get your own shovel, hoe, axe, saw, and hammer. bottomline is either everyone works together or we all die together of starvation and exposure. find a water source and make a city well. next get, sanitation going, everyone craps over there, or get the runs and die of dysentery. if they all wanna live there, everyone has to be a hunter or gatherer, and everyone has the same meal. every basic civilization started with water works, farming, and then a forge of some sort, someone has to repair shovel heads. with more people, some form of government will have to be organized, after that, the biggest killer will be the elements, if farming, home building, wood gathering, food gathering, sucked that summer, you'll find out before spring. the best eco farming i saw yet, was that one in wisconsin, growing water chestnuts and talapia, year round.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfScfxkmWw4

 

if the community could agree, build and get this going, defend it, expand it, form a government around it, there'd be no end in sight of how big it'd get. otherwise, it'll jus be another cold, starving day of no hope, dying alone.

 

sure, you could build it by yourself, but how long will that secret be kept? how long til someone, with some people, ransacks your place, wanting to know, how you alone survive day by day, in the same spot. one molotiv in the wrong spot and everyone loses.

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those that choose to bug in in the suburbs may be in the path of those waves of people headed for the farms or mountains. Form some reason city folks believe that these locations are the best to relocate to. Problem is they have not planned or prepped for the long walk. They will be like locust. By the time they reach the country/mountains they will have died down and become desperate or broken apart.

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round everyone up and get organized. if you wanna stay, your required to get your own shovel, hoe, axe, saw, and hammer. bottomline is either everyone works together or we all die together of starvation and exposure. find a water source and make a city well. next get, sanitation going, everyone craps over there, or get the runs and die of dysentery. if they all wanna live there, everyone has to be a hunter or gatherer, and everyone has the same meal. every basic civilization started with water works, farming, and then a forge of some sort, someone has to repair shovel heads. with more people, some form of government will have to be organized, after that, the biggest killer will be the elements, if farming, home building, wood gathering, food gathering, sucked that summer, you'll find out before spring. the best eco farming i saw yet, was that one in wisconsin, growing water chestnuts and talapia, year round.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfScfxkmWw4

 

if the community could agree, build and get this going, defend it, expand it, form a government around it, there'd be no end in sight of how big it'd get. otherwise, it'll jus be another cold, starving day of no hope, dying alone.

 

sure, you could build it by yourself, but how long will that secret be kept? how long til someone, with some people, ransacks your place, wanting to know, how you alone survive day by day, in the same spot. one molotiv in the wrong spot and everyone loses.

 

That is ideal but what do you do with the dead beats, the people who want to be leaders not followers, the people who question where you get your authority, the people who would rather just shoot you in the back and move into your house. Tent cities are not the most hospitable places.

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Honestly, isn't this the big reason - assuming you're someone with the space and resources available - to prep in anticipation of select friends and family members joining you? That way, you have a community to help work the land AND defend it, and it's a community of your choosing vs. the Volvo version of MZB?

 

I'm also a big fan of trying to prey on people's natural reluctance to help others when they are already distressed. So... put up signs that say "we need food" or "need antibiotics" or something. Advertise your "failure" to prep and let them know that you'll be expecting assistance from anyone who stops. If they offer help, then you may have just found some good candidates to keep around your place. But most people will drive on to the next property to avoid trouble/having to share their resources with you.

 

Or, as has been suggested elsewhere, what about putting up stuff that looks like an abandoned/partially contained hazmat spill (you can buy signs online from stores like this) or getting one that says DANGER CONSTRUCTION AREA and taking the time now to white out the word "CONSTRUCTION" and replace it with "QUARANTINE" in the same font/size? If you have the means to do so, a jersey barrier or two (moved with a forklift or other heavy machinery) could be a very convincing "last ditch official act" set up and could help bottleneck/block traffic along your road.

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Hmm a couple of interesting ideas here, and the scenario isn't very far from the 'after a massive hurricane' experience either. Capt Rob's wave theory post was outstanding.

 

I like the idea of putting out signs that say 'we need water', and so forth. Genuine assistance efforts will try to help you (always good) and riffraff who want water will pass you over in search of better pickings.

 

I also like the idea of trying to organize/retain the useful refugees, while encouraging the others to move on. Not sure I like the idea of trying to get them to fight each other (which seems risky, because if I'm willing to hurt other folks for a share of your stuff...why not just hurt YOU for your stuff?) But perhaps I would spread rumors (or encourage existing ones) of places 'better, safer, and farther' from here.

 

"There was a bunch of guys who came through here last week, said they were walking out, going north. Told me they had looted stuff from that Walmart Distribution Center out on Big Bend Road. I thought about going over and getting some supplies myself, but I got bad knees, and my wife is too scared to leave. It's about 10 miles from here, I guess."

 

That puts the idea of 'easier looting' in the mind of anyone who's been casting eyes on my stuff, and creates that 'pot of gold' at the end of a ten mile rainbow. Most people won't backtrack ten miles...and who knows, maybe that Walmart DC will have supplies for them...

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