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With the ties Iran has to Russia and China, and the ties China has with Pakistan, etc., yes it's the ripple effect I am worried about. It's an easy way to piss off a lot of nuclear powers. Hence my fear of a WWIII possibility.

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This confrontation has been coming for awhile but I wonder how much of it is "real" and how much is made for consumption back home. I mean this for both countries, since both presidents could benefit from appearing decisive. Obama for reelection purposes and Akmaden...(crap, why even pretend I can type his name) to solidify his position with the extremist mullahs who keep him in power. I feel like this situation has the potential to flare out of control at a moment's notice.

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This confrontation has been coming for awhile but I wonder how much of it is "real" and how much is made for consumption back home. I mean this for both countries, since both presidents could benefit from appearing decisive. Obama for reelection purposes and Akmaden...(crap, why even pretend I can type his name) to solidify his position with the extremist mullahs who keep him in power. I feel like this situation has the potential to flare out of control at a moment's notice.

 

They probably called each other and planned it. Seeing as how they're probably related anyway. lol.

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Nah, I know I am in the minority but I don't think Obama is a secret Muslim or a closet Commie. He's just another politician, no more or less. The problem is that all of them have become interchangeable in pursuit of votes so that none have any real qualms about selling out their constituents (and their morals, if they even started with any) to get elected.

 

I love the fact that our "beloved" Rick Perry is running as a political outsider when in fact he has been in public office long enough to qualify for his government pension! Sorry, off the tracks!

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I have friends on the ship I was on that are still on deployment out there with the John C. Stennis battle group. All of our ships along with the stennis left the gulf and are hanging out around the gulf of oman while Iran is conducting war games. They don't want our ships entering the straights during their war games for fear of, lets just call it, "gulf of tonkin incidents" to unfold. They didn't threaten our ships to leave the gulf, 5th fleet had our ships leave while they conduct war games. Don't believe what the media is hyping this up to be. Our ships talk with the Iranian's ALL the time out there. Iranian's will send out small patrol boats that go an check out(take pictures, see what our capabilities are for each ship) our ships, and we let these patrol boats come right up next to our ship, I've experienced this first hand 2 times during my deployments out there.

 

Like I said, relax and don't take what the media back at home here is making a huge deal about with a grain of salt. I'll see what info i can pump out of some friends out there, if they aren't in "River City"(Opsec info blackout).

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Jace,

I'm more or less on board with what you're saying. My concern is the 'blow back' from this. Right now, it can easily be made to appear that the US left the gulf because they were afraid. See, Iran is right - the US is easily defeated. This was the lesson Adolph took from the encounter with Nevil Chamberlain. Nothing to worry about - those clowns don't have the guts to fight. The problem is, mistakes are made (think Poland) and the world is at war. The possibility that some poor Lieutenant JG commanding a gun boat MIGHT take a firing pass at an American Man of War. THAT is a direct attack on America proper according to international law. In an election year, EVERYBODY wants to have solid military credentials. War time presidents tend to be re-elected so ....

 

Not a comfortable situation, fraught with peril and one mistake away from growing mushrooms in the black sand that used to be the Middle East.

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With the ties Iran has to Russia and China, and the ties China has with Pakistan, etc., yes it's the ripple effect I am worried about. It's an easy way to piss off a lot of nuclear powers. Hence my fear of a WWIII possibility.

 

Isn't this how WWI started? People never learn.

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Considering Iran's deep involvement in Syria i have been wondering if they have been encouraging Assad to ratchet up its activities in order to keep attention focused away from them. Truth is Iran will almost entirely keep to sabre rattling even once they have become a nuclear power. They see it more as a political tool then anything else.

Well Kinda see the problem is not Iran in a vacuum but Iran and how it sees itself in the greater region. The desire to rebuild a Persian dominance of the region looms large in many corners of their body politic. This is running smack dab against Israel. Each views the other as an existential threat. Israel will not tolerate the rise of a neo Persian empire and to Iran Israel is a direct impediment to those goals. IF Israel decides to take "preemptive" measures they will be massive and extremely aggressive and most assuredly without the Blessing of the US or other global powers. It will also most assuredly despite Israels hyper nuanced claims of being a non nuclear power be a nuclear strike. After some convoluted rambling i get back to my earlier point. Syria and Lebanon are critical in Iran's ability to disrupt disturb and portions of Israels military. SO long as Iran is able to keep Assad in power and functional they have a counter-weight to Israel. Secondly so long as we focus near enough but not at Iran they will be able to continue progress and development of their nuclear program. As for the current round of Sabre rattling I think people miss hte point. SO long as they can shake the world oil tree they can push up prices. Which means merely more profit for them.

 

 

Sorry for typos I am extremely tired ATM and have tried to edit for clarity on concision.

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Iran has an agreement with India and China to purshase oil for "GOLD"....not US dollars..if this is a sighn that Iran is setting getting preped for something we need to watch.The powers at bay will not let Gold be a standard.JMHO

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Well, has anybody noticed how much gas has gone up in the past two weeks? My local station went from $3.25 a gallon (87 octane regular unleaded) to $3.42, and that is up from $3.38 yesterday. Either the saber rattling has oil speculators nervous or the oil companies have decided to make a killing. Or both.

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I think the oil prices are just the oil companies/gov't gouging us. The more we must pay at the pump, our utility meter(s) and at the grocery (prices go up to offset transportation costs); the less we have to prep and more people must rely on gov't to "take care of them". Obama bin laden made a speech this week that the "high gas prices are a sign of economic recovery". I call "BS" but the media is running with it.

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Does anybody remember what Obama said when he was running for president. "Under his plan, the price of energy would neccessarily double." He is one of those people who believe we are destroying the planet. He also has hindered any developement of our own energy sources, when you do that, the oil producers have have free reign to raise prices and hold them there because in effect we are not going to compete with them.

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Oil futures are costing more due to the unrest in the sandbox, especially Iran. Because our president suckkles at the tit of the radical left/environmental lobby, his minions at the EPA have hamstrung US business in general. We should have more drilling, more nuclear, solar, you name it...but we would rather borrow 40 cents on every dollar from China and regulate American business right out of business. The socialists are outnumbering the capitalists in this country now so we are getting what we deserve.

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Oil futures are costing more due to the unrest in the sandbox, especially Iran. Because our president suckkles at the tit of the radical left/environmental lobby, his minions at the EPA have hamstrung US business in general. We should have more drilling, more nuclear, solar, you name it...but we would rather borrow 40 cents on every dollar from China and regulate American business right out of business. The socialists are outnumbering the capitalists in this country now so we are getting what we deserve.

 

This is a good hard look at the truth

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I am not a fan of any particular administration. I have issue's with actions done by all of them. The reason I fell this way is simple. NOT a single thing passed in the last 50 years as regulation had shit to do with protecting saving or restoring. Every single thing had some ones finical interest at its heart. The EPA is not an evil by its nature its an evil by its use. Just like so many other programs. The system is not for us or by us and the only reason it has anything about us is to keep us locked in and serving the interest of power. It makes a great excuse to ratchet up prices and fuck us in such a way that we say thank you.

 

Iran is an Issue becuase those in power decided it is. just like any other issue.

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Isn't this how WWI started? People never learn.

 

ye, if iran had a keiser then the swhtf for sure ;).

 

hondestly,our army has them to the north, afgan war, and south, iraq. they are worried and reason.

 

i worry more about israel bombing their arses than our ability to negotiate given the strategic location of ourforces.

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Ahh Israel ok im slightly wrong Israel is a wild card. More so then north Korea or any other country in the world. Let us not forget Israel has assassinated their own leaders for not doing what was thought to be in their best interest.

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Ahh Israel ok im slightly wrong Israel is a wild card. More so then north Korea or any other country in the world. Let us not forget Israel has assassinated their own leaders for not doing what was thought to be in their best interest.

 

Put yourself in Israels shoes, completely surrounded by hostile religous fanatics bent on their destruction,and one of those countries has publicaly stated to the world that they are going to cleanse the earth of the Jews.

Iran belongs to a sect called the "twelvers" they believe that the world has to be in complete chaos , on fire . Then their version of the Messiah can come and save them and rule the world. These people believe it is their duty to plunge the world into war.

Israel has a right to defend itself, but, if it does it may be playing right into Irans plans.

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