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its been said that mans (and womans) worst enemy is his own mouth. in my humble opinion, unless you are buying in bulk then there really is no true record of your cache's. so basically the only way that big brother finds out is if you rat yourself out. Capt Bart wrote an interesting article which appeared in the newsletter that talks all about "records." if you have yet to read it i suggest you do. or if you dont get the newsletter, sign up, and or let me know and i can email it to you.

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whew, sigh of relief

 

Why relief? Just because it doesn't say food, it does say that the occupant in the white house can decide who is a "suspected" terrorist and detain them indefinitely. Knew of a guy in Mexico back in '70 who got 5 years for 'suspicion of intent to conspire to traffic in Marijuana'. SUSPICION OF INTENT TO CONSPIRE??????? If Obozo decides that you may be guilty of suspicion of intent to conspire to horde will he send you to Gitmo?

 

Sleep well tonight.

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Oops sorry for hijacking the thread tinderwolf.

 

You guys do realize that every time you write the word "hijack" you may be tripping the snitch on some computer some where?

 

True story: A pilot who was 'dead heading' on the jump seat in the cockpit walked in just as the co-pilot (pardon me 'first officer') was talking to clearance delivery (these are the guys who say how high and what route from point A to point B). The dead heading pilot was a friend of the captain - his name was John. What clearance delivery hear (remember the first officer was talking at the moment) was the captain saying (in a fairly loud voice), "HI, Jack!" There was a great deal of confusion when the swat team stormed the aircraft!

 

For the benefit of my airline crew kids, when they called me internationally I'd always drop "Ahmed, the goose flies at midnight" just to give the NSA boys something to keep them awake. My kids had a difficult childhood - they have me for a father.

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Actually I believe California and NY have recently passed “anti hoarding laws” which make it illegal to stockpile more than 7 days worth of food. Of course they can care less how much you have on now, but when they want it ...

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It's unlikely Uncle Sam will be coming for your food. In a real SHTF scenario they will be too busy running for the bunkers. I could see them confiscating food stored at commercial facilities by manufacturers and retailers. Your hungry neighbor or relatives, now that's a lot more likely.

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You Will Fight Zombies in the event of a Major Crisis.

 

Those people that having Not stocked up will be wandering around after a couple of days, wasting calories and searching for water. They will be unprepared for the New Mind-Shift which will have taken place during 'The Event'. Their brains can not cope with this new Reality - especially IF they were brought up in Virtual Reality. Welcome to Future Shock - the aftermath. They will dehydrate and as their brains shut down, they will be as Zombies - our friends, neighbors and ....?

 

Then the Government, Gangs, and Zealots of ever race, religion and creed will use firepower to seek the easy food. People who have registered their guns is a good place to start for the government. Ex-Military, Police, National Guard - ANY people who are 'probably prepared' will be targets. The government and "Security Forces" can find you from your old credit card purchases, even if you started switching to cash in the last year or two.

 

That DOES sound like a bleak picture AND I'm optimistic. Humans can Learn! At 66, I'm not afraid to tell the world we're prepping. Every friend, family member or neighbor I 'convert' is one less person I'll have to fight AND one more, better-prepared ally when I need one.

 

In the last year, videos have shown complete strangers will work together selfishly - OFTEN risking their own lives - to save people from burning cars, buildings or raging rivers. One-on-one we are a selfish, greedy, ego driven bunch, but as Humanity - we are a selfish, greedy, ego driven bunch.

 

OUCH! Yes - it is the "My Group is Better than Your Group" thinking which has put us here. It is the "I'll risk my life for you" part that is missing. When the motorcycle rider lay under the burning car, no one asked - before they helped - "Are you Democrat or Republican? Are you Muslim, Christian or Jew? Are you Gay or Straight? Black or White?" We - Humanity - opens are hearts and says, "IF that was me under there, I would pray for someone to help?"

 

The Quality of the Questions you ask yourself determines the Quality of your Life. Rather than ask 'what do we do if They show up to take our food, water and guns?' let us ask, "What can I do to prevent That from happening?"

 

My wife, Jacquie, and I will be on National Geographic TV's Doomsday Preppers around March of '12. I'll post when I get a 'showtime'.

 

Live for the Best in Life, but Prepare for the Worst!

 

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So what are you selling???

Dont mind me,the first part was ok but NO i wont watch you on TV.

We do get along with others untill you take from me or you spend so much on keeping up with the curent BS that you now need some water from me while the $60,ooo. suv sits in your driveway.

Sorry wont happen..what you want to trade?? that suv ?? sorry wont happen.Got any extra ammo?What you dont beleve in having a weapon???

Im not realy being mean just honest..

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Looks like the big congloms are ahead of us all the way. It appears that if you buy a soybean seed (why? to grow more soybean seeds) and plant it (why? to grow more soybean seeds) and, well, grow more soybean seeds - you're fine. But what if, as a frugal and fiscally responsible steward of what you've invested in (as opposed to purchasing as a pure consumer), you were to save back some of those seeds you'd grown to have MORE next year...? :eek:

 

According to the way the courts and legal system are working, you've just committed a crime. Monsanto seems to own ANYTHING that might look like a soybean seed and saving the seeds that you grew to avoid paying Monsanto for new seeds next year is some sort of patent violation. :confused:

 

And don't mention the FDA trying to shut down the small farms that slide in under their radar, unregulated. Or unreglatable? It's pretty sad when the government (limited by the Constitution, right?) is so big that it wants to pass regulations on natural activity and even the most basic of human rights.:mad::mad:

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They do have the listing for foodstuffs, it's on the FEMA Exec Orders. They also have it where they can confiscate ("for the greater good") any land that is used for agriculture or food production. They had links posted on another thread. I'm probably not going to have time to find the links today, but will find them next time I am home for more than a couple hours. Start with a web search on FEMA Exec Orders and Presidential Exec Orders. This is one reason (IMHO), that the Pres. signs a "State of Emergency" exec order every year. Scary stuff.

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Looks like the big congloms are ahead of us all the way. It appears that if you buy a soybean seed (why? to grow more soybean seeds) and plant it (why? to grow more soybean seeds) and, well, grow more soybean seeds - you're fine. But what if, as a frugal and fiscally responsible steward of what you've invested in (as opposed to purchasing as a pure consumer), you were to save back some of those seeds you'd grown to have MORE next year...? :eek:

 

According to the way the courts and legal system are working, you've just committed a crime. Monsanto seems to own ANYTHING that might look like a soybean seed and saving the seeds that you grew to avoid paying Monsanto for new seeds next year is some sort of patent violation. :confused:

 

And don't mention the FDA trying to shut down the small farms that slide in under their radar, unregulated. Or unreglatable? It's pretty sad when the government (limited by the Constitution, right?) is so big that it wants to pass regulations on natural activity and even the most basic of human rights.:mad::mad:

I agree Co. Monsanto and their mutant food can stay away from me and mine. I would like to see all the People who get their crops ruined by their "franken pollen" blown on the wind instead of monsanto filing suit for "stealing proprietary property". They should be held to the same standards as other terrorists who use a "dirty weapon".

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This whole thread has me between a laugh and a cry. Most of the folks I have ever known over the years (around here) have been planting big time gardens dating back to the depression. Most older homes have a cellar house half burried under the ground. The newer ones just use up 3/4 of a detached garage as a cellar. Ball jars and Mason jars are almost currency around these parts. Each year they put up 60 to 100 quarts of every fruit and veg they can grow. Cold packed deer, squirrel, bear, ...you name it. Each house has two or three deep freezes full of deer, trout, catfish. Every living room has a $5000 gun cabinet with at least 10 deer rifles and shotguns. We all know this is common in every state near the Appalachian Mountains. It's never been a secret. Thousands upon thousands of folks are forth generation harvesters. Bushels of butternuts, walnuts, blackberries, strawberries. If they ever come to take this stuff away they will have to reconstitute the draft just for the manpower to load it all.

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Yes and AMEN.

Good luck on taking the food out of a coal miners house.Some of those boys DONT PLAY.

 

man, what a statement that is. some of those boys live by their own laws and justice.

yeah, some of those guys just dont play, and its not usually the ones ya think either.

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I keep seeing this line about having more than 7 days of food...I would bet almost everyone in america, maybe not some apartments, has over seven days worth of food.

 

I wish you were correct but I fear you are not. I have more than a few acquaintances who don't have 1 day, let alone 7. If TSHTF on Saturday, they might have 4 or 5 days. If it is on Friday, no chance. Eat out, order in, these are the rules of the day. Scarey but true.

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After thinking about it a bit I think you are more right than I capt bart...Its just hard to imgaine not having enough canned goods to last you that long, I don't think I have ever been in that case for which I am now grateful for.

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whew, sigh of relief
don't sigh with relief yet. here in south africa we know all about politicians getting told that a law is wrong (against our constitution - allegedly modelled on yours, and for some reason considered the most liberal of its kind in the world - at least seventeen years ago when it was written), who quickly reword a bill and tack it onto the back of something else. in the run-up to 2010 soccer world cup, we had too fix all our freeways - no maintenance for fifteen odd years (i know, it doesn't make sense to us who live here either), and then some bright spark had the idea of tolling on these freeways, which has already been paid for by the taxpayer, as well as every vehicle owner over and over. people got uptight, and eventually there is now a moritorium on these tolls. until someone (in government) asks why we have electronic toll gates that are standing idle, and the debate will again start. my contention is that this e-toll is not just about making a few extra bucks from the already over-burdened taxpayer (only about 5% of workforce - the rest, despite supposed government-sponsored "equity" - the majority of voters are not paid sufficient to be able to still be taxed), but this is 1984, big brother. what is the best way to control people? yes, right first time, to know where they are! that is why they are still despite the moritorium trying to convince people to register their cars. in a country where in excess of seventy percent of cars are older than five years, and the owners would never even bother with what we call tracker (lo-jack to the americans), they need another ploy to get people to put a tag in their car! while you still have constitutionally aware politicians, (and voters) ensure that this doesn't happen to you. no voter education in this country, only voters. democracy works best when the voter doesn't realise how he is being taken for a ride!

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Wow! Y'all just blow me away. Laughing and crying too. First off, how do they know how much is seven days worth? I have a very high metabolism. (Snicker.) And second, I would already have to have fought off my unprepared neighbors, so they'd be sending a SWAT team anyway. But seriously, I try not to stand on a political soap box because I am so ill-informed. But I've often thought the government will someday implant a microchip, like my dog has, but use it like a ration card and a tracking device both. They just scan you at the checkout, or the toll-booth or whatever. A better visual is a magnetic tattoo on your left arm with a bar code. I guess this makes the concept of "survival caches" more important than ever. Dang, the Zombies ate my food, nothing here, officer.

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