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8 hours ago, kevin said:

Ok. I'm sighting in my 270 today. My stand is 14 ft tall. Do I really need to sight in from the same height or will level ground do? Thoughts

test it but as downhill has no gravitational effect it should be right on at most hunting distances or up to 200 yards

At steep angles you need to check but 14 foot and out to 100 or 200 I don't see much change. Here is a link to some info on it.

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wind charts show that a mere  10mph breeze takes a 308 bullet 10" off-target  at a mere 300m. Winds often gust and lull. So you aim at one side of the guy, the wind gusts or lulls and you miss to the other side. :-)  or it's hot and mirage drifts the image just as much. Or he's head on prone to you and the up and downhill angle makes you miss, or he's dodging, using cover, and you can't gauge either his direction or his speed, you lack hearing protection and you're ducking incoming fire and fragments.

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Wind in trees is diffused unless its broadside in an open area in hunting distances of less than 200 yards i would keep my hunting shots 100 to max 150 for so many reasons but mainly flight time, bullet performance, back stop /other hunters safety as bullets can travel 1.5 miles take right angles on ricochets so better to be cautious IMO.

I have shot most all my groups less than a pack of cigarettes at 300 wind rain (lots of that sh*t) sleet or hail including heat waves or mirage effect. it is beyond 300 where in most people start to have a problem mostly because they do not have access to ranges that long and time to practice. friends of mine all come to the same conclusion that most figure if they can hit a pie plate at a hundred it's good to hunt with and that is scary for the animal I mean  :o

Other accuracy is not vetted on the same curve or rules instead of subsistence it is existence and that is a whole different game and the rules are rough to nonexistent. 

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you had spotter shots and windflags to center that group. group means  nothing if the center of the group is way off the mark, and it can be, easily, in wind or mirage, and there's no real practicing for either one. There's  no standards to apply. wind gusts and mirage floats in varying amounts. animals dont shoot back, either.

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given the 80 gr VLD bullet, the 223 AR's have OWNED the 600 yd matches for 20 years now, beating 308 quite consistantly.  But basically, it's dumb as hell to not have suppressor on rifle.  22" 308 and 8" of can results in a bipod only clunk.  14.5" of M4 barrel and 7.5" of can results in a still handy rifle, and it will reach 1/4 mile just fine.

 

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