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Honestly, I don't ever see our elected criminals ever "declaring bankruptcy". Were already $15+ trillion in debt, they obviously have written themselves blank checks to last a billion lifetimes and obviously don't care at all. They will continue to spend billions they don't have, something average American's aren't allowed to do.

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Honestly, I don't ever see our elected criminals ever "declaring bankruptcy". Were already $15+ trillion in debt, they obviously have written themselves blank checks to last a billion lifetimes and obviously don't care at all. They will continue to spend billions they don't have, something average American's aren't allowed to do.
its easier to spend money that isnt yours... the debt gets dumped onto the taxpayers. the 'loans' from the federal reserve to the us govt have interest too, the interest gets dumped on the public as well, we're all debt slaves

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#2 would greatly be reduced by the fair tax plan.

 

I could be wrong, but I think a fair tax would only work if EVERYONE paid taxes. As of right now I believe that almost 50% of the population pays NO tax.

 

Am I ready? Not completely, but being 20-50% ready makes me 100% more prepared than (guessing here) 90% of the population.

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I could be wrong, but I think a fair tax would only work if EVERYONE paid taxes. As of right now I believe that almost 50% of the population pays NO tax.

 

Am I ready? Not completely, but being 20-50% ready makes me 100% more prepared than (guessing here) 90% of the population.

I definitly agree with you on this. I don't think anyone is completly 100% ready for something like this but we can be as prepared as we can be.

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I could be wrong, but I think a fair tax would only work if EVERYONE paid taxes. As of right now I believe that almost 50% of the population pays NO tax."

 

I believe you are right; I think they have it figured at 47% of the population doesn't pay taxes and I would venture that is very conservative. This percentage is probably based on census records, which does not include many of the illegals (economic terrorists) who pay nothing but take alot. My wife works in the healthcare field and had one of these insurgents come through the ER, they first supplied 1 social security number and had to "change" it to a different one because one was for work and the other for medicaid.

I personally would like to see welfare cut back... ALOT. If you haven't paid in for at least 5 years, no benefits. Social Security should be optional and we, as free persons, should have the right to not pay into this coersive scheme and then not be relying on the government for our retirement. I know the current economy means alot of good people are needing help, but I truly feel it has been manifested on purpose to get more of the people relying on the handouts and thus slaves to the government. There is even talk on talk radio that says they are looking at "confiscating" everyone's 401k to help keep the government afloat.

Charity should be voluntary and not forced on people as paying for welfare and other entitlement programs are.

I see "bread lines" in the future for this nation if we don't get the failed experiment of socialism/marxism/fascism/communism/liberalism/progressives that the "goat riders" have forced upon us. They have been "hit in the head" too often and are not "brothers of the pirates and corsairs" but the very cutthroats themselves.

I apologize for the rant.

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I personally think the taxes are illegal, but that's a debate for another time...lol. They need to end the free trade agreements and charge tariffs on goods as was intended to fund the federal government. That in turn would probably bring back the manufacturing jobs from overseas, as the slave wages paid wouldn't make it cheaper with the tariffs. Just my 2 cents.

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I personally think the taxes are illegal, but that's a debate for another time...lol. They need to end the free trade agreements and charge tariffs on goods as was intended to fund the federal government. That in turn would probably bring back the manufacturing jobs from overseas, as the slave wages paid wouldn't make it cheaper with the tariffs. Just my 2 cents.
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if I take something without asking, its called stealing, when the gov't does, its taxes!

 

as far as the "50% pay NO taxes" its not that they arent paying ANY taxes, they arent paying INCOME taxes. 50% arent paying em, we're halfway there!! excise taxes and other taxes are unavoidable. like sales tax if your state charges them. taxes are necessary to a degree, but they shouldnt be stolen from people and your income damn sure shouldnt be taxed.

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Sonoran, I agree. States charging property taxes, sales taxes and excise taxes at the state and federal level are unavoidable and the feds are supposed to get their funding from the states and tariifs (import and export) but that went against them being able to live like royalty and having to get a real job.

For an example of how they even felt right after the Revolution, look at the "Whiskey Rebellion". They were charging taxes to people living west of the Allegheny (sp) Mountains and these people weren't represented. Not to disparage the Founding Fathers too much, but they were more about keeping THEIR wealth than giving the average citizen freedom for the most part (IMHO) and their progeny have just become better at it (or worse depending on which side you're on).

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Note: Those interested in the Whiskey Rebellion should consult Thomas P. Slaughter, The Whiskey Rebellion (New York: Oxford University Press, 1986); and Steven R. Boyd, ed., The Whiskey Rebellion (Westport, CT: Greenwood Press, 1985). Professor Slaughter notes that some of the opponents of the Hamilton excise in Congress charged that the tax would "let loose a swarm of harpies who, under the denominations of revenue offices, will range through the country, prying into every man's house and affairs, and like Macedonia phalanx bear down all before them." Soon, the opposition predicted, "the time will come when a shirt will not be washed without an excise." A paragraph taken from an article written by Murray Rothbard. I find the last line particularly insightful.

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I could be wrong, but I think a fair tax would only work if EVERYONE paid taxes. As of right now I believe that almost 50% of the population pays NO tax.

 

Am I ready? Not completely, but being 20-50% ready makes me 100% more prepared than (guessing here) 90% of the population.

 

CCSir. the fair tax would involve everyone that purchased anything. Does not matter if you are rich, poor, illegal alien, transsexual or any other type of person you care to point out. When you purchase an item it would have the tax added at the time of purchase. Another point to consider is the IRS would be dissolved. Another point.............

Each family would receive a monthly check from the government in the amount of whatever the level on poverty is per person times the number of family members. Its really an eye opener to read what that fair tax could do.

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This is the same concept as using a credit card. I am in college and manage $100 a month in spending cash (everything else goes to school and meals are included). The cash goes to a debit card, but what I tend to do is withdraw some if not most of it and pay for things in cash so that I know and feel the transaction, rather than just swiping some piece of plastic through a reader. Today's money may be funny money, but it is still worth more than a piece of plastic...

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The Whiskey Rebellion ..

The warning was sounded and NO One listened.Yes there were family members in that one too.Paying Taxs on home brew is just WRONG.you made more money on 100 pounds of corn in liquid(10 galon) form than on the corn itself.Easyer to transport through the mountains and you did not need to IMPORT it.The demand was there and so again the Free Market worked.

 

Oh, how is that "War on Drugs: working?????

Capone,Cartels,Goverment..all working to sell you what you think you "NEED"..

JMHO

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I need to be VERY clear on a point.

The use of legal or not legal drugs is one mans choice.They will Pay a price for its use and many abuse both and Familys suffer.Thats the hard part,teaching the end result of some choises that people make.

So choose wiseley what you do,You will pay a price and some times with your life or a family member.

What another person does in there home is on them.Push it on me or mine and you got a fight on your hands.

JMHO..

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I need to be VERY clear on a point.

The use of legal or not legal drugs is one mans choice.They will Pay a price for its use and many abuse both and Familys suffer.Thats the hard part,teaching the end result of some choises that people make.

So choose wiseley what you do,You will pay a price and some times with your life or a family member.

What another person does in there home is on them.Push it on me or mine and you got a fight on your hands.

JMHO..

 

wow this will preach right here. i'll give ya a big AMEN on this one bro.

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I need to be VERY clear on a point.

The use of legal or not legal drugs is one mans choice.They will Pay a price for its use and many abuse both and Familys suffer.Thats the hard part,teaching the end result of some choises that people make.

So choose wiseley what you do,You will pay a price and some times with your life or a family member.

What another person does in there home is on them.Push it on me or mine and you got a fight on your hands.

JMHO..

 

your on the right track. I always told my kids "cause and effect". When they were small i told them they could tell the future using cause and effect. I made them watch "Cops" and " Teen Mom". I explained that poor choices made time and time again are what you see from people that are drug addicts or teenage single moms or the guy that lives under a bridge. People who make better choices do better in life.

 

With the economy in shambles and with the lack of leadership i worry that my kids wont even be able to do as well as i have. Jobs are disappearing, the ability to own a home is almost a pipe dream and we are circling the drain. America was great becuase of the capitalism that allowed people to work hard for what they wanted. Capitalism allowed a middle class to grow. Right now we are seeing the middle class dying away. We are becoming the have and the have nots. Class warfare has begun. The politicians love it. If we are fighting each other then we don't see them stealing from the both of us.

Just remember that the only difference between a politician and a pedophile is the age of the victim.

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Sorry I got my Bapticostal-Church of the Breathern-catholicism pants in a knot there for a moment.I need to wash somebodys feet soon,and get my Prayer Shawl out.

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Sorry I got my Bapticostal-Church of the Breathern-catholicism pants in a knot there for a moment.I need to wash somebodys feet soon,and get my Prayer Shawl out.
dont apologize for that! that was right on point, the government CANNOT protect us from ourselves. regardless of the 'law' people do what they choose. if someone wants to smoke bong rips, they will. if someone wants to drive 60 in a 50 they will. most laws generate revenue, not protect

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dont apologize for that! that was right on point, the government CANNOT protect us from ourselves. regardless of the 'law' people do what they choose. if someone wants to smoke bong rips, they will. if someone wants to drive 60 in a 50 they will. most laws generate revenue, not protect

 

Agreed. Laws are only there for the law abiding. Those that don't care, won't. Those that do, will.

 

All you can do is the best you can do in regards to your children.

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