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I read Luke Duffy's sequel, No More Room in Hell II, over the weekend and I have to say the second book was as good as the first. Mr. Duffy is a fine witer and he definitely knows his stuff when it comes to the finer points of tactics and strategy, and this story will grab you by the throat. His description of London in ruins hit hard and drove home the desperation running through the living, as they sought to stem the tide of the dead. This was a great read, but get the first book before trying to get through this one.

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OC, that is just wrong. I agree with the order but I figure Shaggy would get stoned and let his guard down.

 

Also a very good possibility, Texas Bill. Yeah, it's probably sick that as soon as I saw the "RIP S+F+D" my mind immediately flashed to the scenario I described. But I've never denied a certain amount of mental imbalance. LOL

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To this day, I still think Velma was sexier than Daphne... Sure, Daphne was cute and all, but Velma could carry on a conversation...and build the perfect BOL/super high tech clubhouse!

 

 

I REALLY need to go to sleep.. Which cartoon character is sexier? I've sunk to a new low in my insomniac world!

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Just read When There's No More Room in Hell 2 by Luke Duffy. I think I enjoyed the first book more, but it may just be that I was feeling more critical of some of the decisions and situations in this book than I was when I read part 1.

 

In particular, I'm confused as to why they bring bitten people into their secure compound, spend days watching the victims slowly suffer as the infection gets stronger, and ultimately kill them (since there is no alternative)... when they could kill them quickly and not put everyone through the pain and anguish of it. I find the back gate situation a little odd, too: how did everyone get in at the end, if it was locked up extra-tight? Or, if the saboteurs had opened it again, how was it sealed off after they entered the park? I was also surprised that they went out in pairs with radios to patrol the property, and then when one pair failed to check in, it still took them something like eight hours to notice they were missing and decide to investigate. WTH?

 

I will say that this once again makes the case that at TEOTWAWKI, allowing someone to strike out against your group and then showing them any bit of compassion is going to bite you on the rear. If you have identified an enemy who would attack you, and there's no law to deal with them, your only option for your safety and that of your group is to kill the enemy.

 

Overall, it's a solid continuation of the series and seems to be setting up for at least one more book, which I will likely read. The action sequences are fast paced, appropriately gory for the genre, and reinforce why zombies are so freaking scary - something that not all zombie novels do well. I also really like some of the characters in this book and it offers some real variations on the usual zombie novel plot, so it's definitely a book I'd recommend.

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Oregonchick, I agree with all of the above, except I did not realize they were as much as 8 hours overdue on their patrol. Trying to hunt for fast movers on foot is probably a foolish error, and not one I suspect Marcus would make. I agree bringing the bitten back was a risk, but I thought the civilians did a good job of watching their folks for the turn.

 

SPOILERS: The "survivalist" guy Simon was annoying, anyway but the deaths of the other characters were wrenching in a way you don't usually see in zombie fiction unless it is the main character getting bitten. The scariest thing about this book was how the surviving military high command never seemed to "get it" by spending more lives in such a hopeless offensive. Finally, I thought the evolution of Andy Moorcroft was an interesting side note to the story.

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Andy Moorcraft is a brilliant and completely different character for a zombie novel, and I cannot wait to see what happens with his character. Soooo wrenching to think about what it would be like if you retained any of your humanity post-infection.

 

I completely agree about Simon. He lasted weeks in his bunker, but less than four days outside it - and most of that due to someone else's help? But the loss of the other characters had me tearing up in a few places, and not just because the characters themselves died but because of the guilt and grief of the survivors.

 

The hours overdue thing kind of surprised me, too. But the author made a big deal about how they were trapped in the tree long enough to be truly dehydrated, which wouldn't happen in just an hour or two. Nobody mentioned that they hadn't heard from Carl and John until everyone else had finished their patrols and made it back to the main building, even though they had apparently lost radio contact with them only a short time into the patrol. I found that rather baffling; what's the point of having radios for checking in if you aren't actually monitoring the status of your teams? Oh well.

 

Like I said, overall, it's a solid addition to the series and I'll be reading the next one when it's available. But I did like the first one better.

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I'm going to share this here, even though (like the Scooby Doo thing) it's not a zombie novel.

 

Joss Whedon's endorsement of "Zomney" for President, as the likely bringer of the zombie apocalypse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TiXUF9xbTo

 

(For those who don't know, Joss Whedon is the creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Firefly, and several other movies, series, and graphic novels that I truly love.)

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OC, I just picked up a pretty good zombie story called Still Alive by A.C. Thorne. I think this is right up your alley since the main character is a very empowered female who is not afraid of a little firepower. The story drags a bit in the middle, where I am at the moment, but is picking up steam. There is actually some humor in here as well as she complains about the California magazine capacity rules while trying to change out her 10 rounders in a fight while zombies are swarming.

 

I would have finished it already but I was up late last night doing some proofreading on Mr. Power's latest. It is Timon's story and I am almost done. Really good and I like the new perspective of the little brother trying to live in the shadow of a famous older sibling. There are several shockers in here as Timon is incredibly sharp and puts things together in a few minutes that Tor is still oblivious to as of the last book. Nothing really overtly sexual since Timon is only twelve but that also brings in some funny situations.

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Okay, I've downloaded the A.C. Thorne book, although I have a bit of reading piled up ahead of it. I will definitely let you know what I think, though!

 

In case you're interested in my current reading list: I just stumbled on to a new vampire series and also have the latest installment in a series called New Species, which is about a world in which a pharmaceutical company crosses human and animal DNA in an attempt to create a more durable lab rat, eventually winding up with super-humans who are freed from captivity and have to deal with the aftermath of being raised in labs, tortured by technicians, and then given a shot at "real life" amid a population of humans who think of them as feral animals instead of people. The series is really hard to take at times given what the New Species have gone through, but there's also a lot of fun paranormal romance stuff worked into it.

 

When will the PS Power book be released? Timon was such a great character in the previous books that I can't wait to see things from his perspective. I have to admit, I frequently check Amazon's PS Power page just to make sure I haven't missed a recent release. His stories are just so different from what others are writing about, I can't stay away!

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The release is scheduled for sometime in late November. There are some bombshells for fans of the series as secrets are grandually revealed. Timon is definitely different than his brother, still a nice guy but he is very aware of the value of gold and his hard work. Even though Tor is older, Timon seems more connected to the world and though he is not the builder genius that Tor is, he has his own quirks as well. I found it extremely entertainining. The newest of his releases, Without Rhythm, was pretty good too, and had some interesting ideas. The main character, Pran, is a strong female character trained as a Bard but thrust into the role of an apprentice Guardian (sort of a ninja cop) in this fantasy series. The story is set in a possible future world where energy consumption is carefully monitored and nothing more complicated than steam power is accepted. The title seems weird but makes sense once you read the book.

 

I am going to track down that New Species series and give it a try. I am manly enough (ha, ha) to stand a little romance and in fact I find books without a little spark/interaction to be tedious. I finished that A.C. Thorne book over lunch and the ending was not what I expected. Not bad at all, just different. Ceres can definitely kiss zombie a$$ and she has the "Two Gun Mojo" going which would be silly except she spends months working on it.

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Thanks for the tip on the new Power book! I've downloaded it so I can start reading it soon.

 

Here's a link to the first book of the New Species series: http://www.amazon.com/Fury-New-Species-Book-ebook/dp/B005HQF8TK/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1351638101&sr=8-10&keywords=new+species

 

Just beware that there is a certain romance novel formula to each of them - and quite a bit of sex. But they are a good read and you really do feel outraged by all of the things that the New Species are put through. The "Gift Females" idea in particular gives me the shudders. But that deep instinct to survive and to help others really makes these quite compelling to me.

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Thanks, OC. I finished proofing the new Power book last night and it was amazing to see things from Timon's perspective. Some real shockers in here, I have to say. He is not Tor but he has his own demons...yes, I know, he is only twelve!

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So excited for that to be released!

 

I read the A.C. Thorne book you recommended (Still Alive). You're right, I loved the lead character! Ceres is a total bad@ss and it was surprisingly fun to see her evolve from unemployed recreational bike rider and MMP video game junkie into a zombie-killing machine. The alien stuff isn't particularly my cup of tea, but it does help them avoid the "bioweapons gone wrong" explanation for how the zombies came to be. And I am definitely intrigued to see how this might play out in the next book(s) in the series. And it is rather funny to hear the old refrains from chick lit novels (I'm single, I'm under-employed, is this all there is to my life) played out during a zombie apocalypse.

 

I'm just starting Snareville now, which has a completely different tone but is off to a great start.

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Thanks, Oregon Chick. I thought you might like Still Alive. I loved her "thanking" Brad for all his "help" when she gets to his place. Priceless. In my opinion, the author did a good job of showing how Ceres was gradually coming unraveled without making too big of a deal. That kind of subtle writing is difficult and seems to elude most authors in this genre.

 

Snareville will mess with your head as the societal changes can jar you, like the heavily armed Amish folk or the things some of these folks are forced to do to survive. Let me know what you think.

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Hey you two, still alive in Indiana. Mom-in-law just finished a month under hospice care last night--a bit of a rough spell there, especially for the wife. I loved the Zomney endorsement by Joss Wheedon. Have yet to get to Dead Stop but I will. Blue Plague as well. You guys are like my proof-readers! BTW: I really liked the first two Arisen: Fortress Britain novels by Glyn James and highly recommend them. A bit different from most zombie books. Also, need some advice. I have a wood burning stove/fireplace that depends on a fan to move the heated air into the room. Sat on a small generator for two years but never needed it so I sold it--seemed like overkill anyway. But do you know of some sort of 12v battery/inverter system, especially solar powered, that would keep that little fan motor blowing in an emergency???? Thanks

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Welcome back, vohsjw01! I'm sorry you and your wife have been under so much stress lately, but can certainly understand times in your life when reading zombie novels may not be the top priority. LOL As for the heating fan, you might want to post to the Country/Off-Grid Survival forum, since a lot of the people there have a real interest in alternative energy and ways to make your house work even if your power doesn't.

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Just finished Snareville. It's an interesting zombie novel in that there isn't a harrowing escape to safety as the main plot device; they basically keep their small rural community secure and kill "zeds" whenever they get the chance. It does offer an interesting perspective on what a post-apocalypse society might wind up being - some very harsh (and disgusting) punishments for serious offenses, and some fairly unconventional living arrangements. The stuff about the source of the infection, patient two, etc., seemed kind of out of left field to me, but the rest of it was really interesting and well written.

 

There's plenty of zombie action, which I love. This will be especially popular with people who like to read about gun battles versus those who like the melee-range attacks on zombies with bats and swords.

 

Texas Bill, you mentioned the armed Amish... Well, they never state that they are Amish Mennonites, right? Because the Amish sect splintered from the Mennonites at the end of the 17th century. The Amish are notoriously withdrawn from the modern world, refuse technology, and strictly adhere to a policy of nonviolence. The Mennonites live simply, but use technology and actually have very active outreach programs into the world (such as NGOs to help deal with the AIDS crisis in Africa). Yes, they have a policy of nonviolence, too, but I suspect a case could probably be made that killing a frenzied zombie intent on devouring your family or your neighbors is more along the lines of killing a cougar that is stalking your farm vs. attacking another human being. The zombies LOOK like people but aren't really human anymore.

 

Assuming that substantially more women than men survive TEOTWAWKI, it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see a "sister wives" scenario become commonplace. When it's difficult just to keep a household running, raise enough crops and animals to sustain the family, and handle childcare duties, having multiple women in a single household has been shown to be a pretty effective way of functioning. And the more community members who form into family units, the more stable and future-thinking your community is likely to be. From a survival standpoint, it makes sense. I think it would be a little difficult to get used to at first, and you'd really have to be open and communicate well among all of the people in the relationship, otherwise I'd think that it would be a nightmare of jealousy and misunderstandings, but again, if you see the situation as everyone being part of the same family working for the same goals, it could work.

 

Now, if there's an even ratio between men and women, or there are more men than women, someone with multiple wives is inviting BIG trouble. And I don't see men settling down as easily into an arrangement of "brother husbands"; I suspect there would be some women who marry and some who make themselves widely available (if resources are good, it could simply be a lot of sleeping around without commitment; if resources are scarce, then prostitution would be more likely).

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Oregon Chick, I think you are spot on with your analysis. I think Danny points out early on that men tended to rush into situations without thinking (barehanded or with a candlestick), get bitten and turned and leave the women stuck trying to make things work. Really tells you who is the smarter sex. I completely agree that if the tables were turned, society would not have a chance. "Brother husbands" just would not work. Also, for domestic tranquility, the wife would have to secide who they were taking in rather than the husband, as we see here.

 

Sorry about my Amish/Mennonite error. Please check out Book II. No spoilers here. Nope. Nothing to see.

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How did I miss the sequel? I'm so going to read that this weekend.

 

The idea of "brother husbands" makes me laugh. There's actually a sizable selection of paranormal and contemporary romance novels (that have lots of sex in them) that are M/M/F where it's presented as a normal thing for men to share... And I have a hard time buying that. I just think that, except in a few rare cases, there'd be an undercurrent of competition, one-upsmanship and resentment, and it would not create a stable home life. Testosterone is one powerful hormone. LOL

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JW,

 

I think you can get those fan set-ups without a ton of difficulty but like OC suggested, we have a section here with off-grid power ideas. I love the idea of using solar power here in Texas because one thing we have a lot of is sunshine. Even in the winter. Actually, I wonder how much trouble it would be to adapt one of those solar powered attic vents? We had some of those installed and they make a world of difference in the summertime attic temps. BTW, check out my PM.

 

Oregon Chick, I've seen some of those same books and that have the proper word in place: fantasy. I get a little steamed when I catch some guy checking out my wife, whether it is a stranger or my best buddy. There may be guys like that out there, but I think they mostly reside in the hopes and dreams of the ladies. As for sister wives, my wife (a full time professional and mom) and I always joke that she needs her own wife to just to help us keep up around the house, but I always remember to tread lightly on that vein of humor. Anyway, check out Snareville II and enjoy.

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JW,

 

I loved both of those books and I am stoked for number three. I love how all that research for D-Boys got reused in the Arise books. I am prepping right now to head to Indiana for a week myself but south of Indy. I am very sorry to hear about your mother-in-law; I am actually very close to mine and I get along with her better than my own mother.

 

On a sort of zombie topic, I just finished Europe Has Fallenby Andrew Gouriet. This book has zombies (called flesh eaters) as is set in 1875. Pretty cool story starts in the Carpathians (gotta love any horror tale with that lineage) and focuses on a group of Austrian and British Engineers who are attacked by well...lots of bad stuff. I really enjoyed the references to the firearms of the time as well and the political climate during this catastrophe, and though the characters are a little formal at first by the end you get to identify with them. Plus, imagine how much fun it would be to face a zombie horde in their thousands and you are armed with a single shot rifle.

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Hmm. I may have to check that out, Texas Bill. I haven't had great luck with historical zombie fiction, mostly because I gave up after being disappointed by Pride and Prejudice and Zombies. Still, it sounds like it could be really interesting - and yes, anything from the Carpathian Mountains is somehow extra creepy!

 

Just finished Snareville II: Circles. Very, very interesting developments there. And the Amish-gone-Maori group they found were scary and hilarious and kind of wonderful. I think I could read this series for a long time and just be entertained and fascinated by the way the characters' lives develop and the zombie menace is dealt with. Plus now I want to know more about what's happening overseas! LOL

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Oregonchick, I am glad you enjoyed the second book. I have to admit, I am a little creeped out by those kinds of tattoos (being bored like they were is, my opinion, is a really poor reason to get covered with tribal tats). I just hope the series doesn't get screwed up when they go across the Pond.

 

As to P&P&Z, I thought it kind of lame as well. Of course, I am not a big fan of the original British "books of manners", whether Edwardian or Victorian. I was worrid about that in Europe Has Fallen but as things are going to hell the "stiff upper lip" thing gets set aside.

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I loved the original Pride & Prejudice, but adding zombies while keeping the book 80% the same exact words just took away from it. If the author had kept SOME of the original plot and dialogue, and then added a bunch of "behind-the-scenes" stuff, it would have been funnier. I'm downloading Europe Has Fallen now because it's free! LOL

 

Didn't Elizabeth say that part of the reason for the tattoos was the hope it would scare off smaller parties of English raiders? They were trying to look ferocious to avoid conflict... not that it helped too much in the end. I like tattoos in general, but I'm not really a fan of face/neck tattoos. I'm thinking this would just freak me out, especially on ladies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C4%81_moko

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