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Hunting the quiet way!

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When I started to prepare for our long term survival I didn't want to hunt blasting away anything with black powder. I didn't want to make any noise and let anyone close by know where I was or what I was doing. Noise like an AR going off can travel for miles. Even a .22 can be heard on the other side of the mountain. Shooting super small game on the go I get it. shot a rabbit in the head, by all means. I dont know whats going to happen. If shit hits the fan the Earths surface might be scorched and all the poor animals might be long gone. Who knows what game will be available for us to catch.

 

 

What I started to eye tho was a bow. What a perfect silent deadly way to hunt. You can shoot animals out of the trees, you can hunt and kill anything with a bow. No one will hear you and that to me was important. So I started out at Gander Mountain. They threw me out when I told the sales guy I was preparing for the zombie apocalypse. He didn't me serious and didn't want to sell me a bow or any arrows. But I did find a local bow shop, where they taught me how to properly shot a bow and how to repair my bow. The good thing about arrow heads is you can sharpen them yourself. The bow is something I wouldn't be caught with out now that Im like Robin Hood!!!

 

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I agree on the bow as being an integral part of a survival tool chest. As I am unsure on how much you do with the bow, I am asking to stop my ignorance; do you practice without sights? I have a PSE compound but prefer a traditional long bow any more. I use the PSE when sitting on stand but my true love is stalking with the self bow. I also love my slingshot. Lead round balls for muzzleloading make great ammo even for larger game.

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Guys,

my FUD factor is high with bows. I am doubtful of my ability to maintain a compound bow without professional help. How tough is it to "tune" (is that the right word?) a compound bow and keep it that way?

Umm well if you take it to a shop they "tune" it for you and im pretty sure your good to go. If you become stronger you can have them retune, but i doubt you'll want to tune more than 2-3 times...

I am in the market for a bow as well for the reasons stated above. Think they are a great way to go

Look at the craze, i think its like 300 very good solid (one step above) beginner's bow. Forgot who makes them tho

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Capt, Tuning a bow isn't that hard and normally requires a minimal of time. A bow square and allen wrench is about the only tools I use, but my PSE is about 30 years old. After tuning, I always double check with a "paper tune". Shoot through a sheet of paper (normally 10 yards) and ensure the hole is round and not oblong or have tears on one side). This will prove or test whether the bow needs tuned or is shooting true after a tune.The newer single cams and split limbs can probably pose more of an issue. I like the traditional self bows (less moving parts and the ability to make them myself).

Compounds offer an easier draw and with 65% let off (let off is the amount of poundage used to hold a bow at full draw. 100# pull with 65% means you only hold back 35# at full draw) and a flatter trajectory.

Longbows or traditional bows, mean you must hold full draw weight all the time and usually the poundage will increase slightly at full draw. This means more work to develope the muscles to hold the bow at full draw. By instinctive shooting, it allows you to fire faster and therefore less muscle fatigue.

Regardless, never "dry fire" the bow as this can cause limb damage and/or injury.

I do not use sights, even on my compound. Self bows I "instinctive shoot" and I've taken squirrels and chipmunks with archery gear.

Personally, I feel 55# draw is bare minimum for taking big game if any distance can be involved (greater than 25 yards). Archery equipment is a personal preference and I prefer a local "pro shop" to the catalog stores ( I like cabelas and bass Pro but I want a true archery shop for any modern archery equipment I buy/use. Also, make sure you use target/field points the same weight (125 grains here) as your broadheads. Just like a firearm, changing ammo can cause your aim to be off and mean whether you have supper or tighten your belt.

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Tinder, anytime. In the bows thread, Warrior has offered alot of advice and seems like a much better tutor than I. My archery is basically just hunting and backyard fun, where he actually shoots competition and thus must maintain a higher standard for equipment. I'll offer what knowledge I have from experience but he is definitely the master in this area... and his comments have been truthful and on target so far, thus I believe he is very capable of giving definite instruction on this subject.

When I was shooting the PSE Mach 6, I took it to the pro shop for tuning. It was more complicated than the one I got from my dad (his first). The model I have is actually the same model used in "Rambo part 2" and is maxed at 64.6# draw on a digital scale. When I was younger, my hunting and .... errr... trouble..... partner used to shoot chipmunks in the spring for practice. It was fun, challenging and helped keep them in control around the farm we hunted. We usually froze them and then used them for trapping bait in the winter. I think we were the most "frugal" outdoorsmen in existence. We would walk the train tracks to pick up rail spikes to use for catfish limb lines for the small, swift river we fished close to home and even go to junk yards to get lug nuts for weights. venison steaks and bar-b-que squirrel on a camp fire along a river bank was better than any restaraunt I ever visited, or catfish and perch filets cooked on a wood stove in a cabin with no modern ammenities while we plied our archery prowess against the whitetails of Indiana's farmland. (Now I'm wishing I had some more vacation time or a time machine).

I keep looking back to those days and wondering where I went wrong...lol. Now I seem to kill myself for a week or two of good fishing and haven't been able to hunt like I did for years. I miss them carefree days until I walk in and see the sleeping Angels (younguns) and know I gave up one paradise for a much more enriching one. I even think the 4 yr old daughter will give me reason to spend more time in the woods soon. She is asking for a gun so we can hunt lions! I am not sure where she got the idea from but I welcome it...lol.

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I like the traditional self bows (less moving parts and the ability to make them myself).

 

I AM ignorant here - "Self" Bow? Got a photo you could share?

 

Thanks for the information. There is a lot there that I didn't know. My local Bass Pro has a fairly complete bow shop with short range in it. I may have to go 'look-see'.

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Capt, self bow= Native American or long bow. They got the name "self bow" because people make them themselves. I will try and get a pic uploaded in the next week if I do not get called in for work.

 

Sean, I eat squirrel all the time. In the Survival Eating article on Survival Cache, I included a list of many of the critters I have eaten in the past. Campfire cooked squirrel and sassafrass tea is very good hunting fare when I'm out on a long term hunt. I have "disappeared" for a few days or longer foraging wild edibles and supplying my meat from the local woods and water. My favorite is doing so with a muzzleloader and "traps", limb lines for fish/turtles, and while I'm stalking "bushytails", picking some mushrooms, cattails, possibly an ear of corn from the field, and acorns to sustain me.

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Capt, Bass Pro and cabela's are 2 of my favorite stores and probably are my favorites in the "franchise/multi-location" stores. I like the local pro shops and can't say they are alot better but I like dealing with the same guy all the time. I've also found that being there in the smaller shops allows more of a personal bond and normally equates to a better dealing when negotiating prices or getting some extras. I also know the same guy, archery pro or gunsmith, will know my "tools" as well as I do and I don't get lost in the river of customers coming through the door.

Traditional Bowyers Bible is a great resource for traditional archery equipment and making it. There are 4 volumes, each adding more detail from the last. If interested in purchasing a traditional bow, www.medievalcollectibles.com , offers many styles and eras to choose from; English Longbows, horn composit Mongul or hun bows, Native American bows, etc.

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By using the "living history", I can prep and teach the kids without bringing scrutiny from unknowing neighbors. Plus the kids do not even know what they are being taught, yet learn with a zeal most do not possess for "education". It's also effective in getting them used to wild game table fare.

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I was never into hunting till I bought my bow. But now I have the urge to go hunting for something big. Bear or Caribou.

 

Tuning a bow like the one I have requires some skill set. I haven't been taught how to do everything but I plan on learning. Like Regulator said I rather shop and spend time at a local shop, When I went to Gander mountain its a huge franchise to buy the bow, I told them why I wanted it, ( to prepare for end of times ) they wouldnt sell it to me. They didnt take me serious.

 

Im going to check out Warriors posts.

 

I want to try squirrel. Im a real NYC boy. We have plenty of squirrel.

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Sean, Squirrel is awesome and easily acquired in the city. I'd recommend trapping them. They are very easy to skin and if you want to practice tanning hides, they are a great practice item.

Get the book "Deerskins into Buckskins" or Braintanning books to get ideas. You use the same principles and steps, only on a smaller scale.

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LOL@Matt, you hillbillies are all alike. My friends from KY always yelled because I used a 22 and head shots. They wanted the brains too. I don't do the brains, except for tanning purposes, but know alot of people who do. I've eaten pig brains mixed with scrambled eggs in the past, not bad grub.

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