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Going back to revolvers for EDC for awhile

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I've been experiencing some serious nerve pain in my right ulnar nerve, radiating from my funny bone to my right ring finger. When I put pressure on the fingertip pad, the pain radiates like an electrical jolt down to the funny bone. It just plain is almost unbearable when shooting any of my pistols. Have had no pain when shooting my revolvers.(go figure)

After xrays and scans, turns out I "broke" my right elbow a long time ago, and did not know it. Could have been any number of times I cracked my elbow on some knucklehead in a bar fight, (past law enforcement career), during foot pursuits, etc. Have no idea when I "did it".

So, now, as I approach the big 60, can't believe I'm that "old", but I am almost there, the doc said to lay of "shooting so much until the inflammation dies down". Good advice, he's a shooter as well, so he knows.

Just wanted to pass this along to the younger (nearly indestructible) youths out there, who don't "think" you'll get to where I'm at, I thought the same thing, once!

Practice with BOTH hands, so you can be a s nearly as effective with either hand if your primary hand "goes down", for whatever the reason. While I am a righty, I've been doing a LOT of practice in the last several years as a lefty, and it has helped my accuracy a great deal. Still have to manually stop and check the dominant eye issue.

We will all get old, except for those who want to live life in the fast lane, and pains be comin'.

Arthur Itis, Ben Gay, and all of those old geezers will soon be our constant companions. Let this be a warning to youse all.

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HAHAAAAA  JOIN THE CLUB    

 

 TPS the rest is for the readers I figure you know all this already.

 

I can still use all the calibers except big bores over 308  I load my 12 ga to my specifications low recoil but has enough heat to make it to the target.

 

and it helps to lead the stock up heavier guns kick less and it is a good reason to buy a laminated stock and you can still drop some lead shot in the butt.

 

Bolts kick more but I like them for accuracy with heavy bullets.

 

I have found better living through medication ben gay quit working a long time ago now the smell is almost an aphrodisiac in my age group.

 

357 with 158 hp moving @ 1000 fps works well within 25 yards on most anything here and not too punishing with pachmyer grips.

 

I like a smith or ruger with a 3 inch barrel older models as they are steel not like some of the new partial plastic or alloy metals make these too light weight 

 

and that increases felt / actual recoil and reducing bullet weight except for fragmenting bullets lessens impact on target you still have to test them

 

to see if they work.

 

or go with a 22mag revolver lot of shock power but the real bull of the woods is a FN 5.7 its light does not kick and accurate but it comes with a hefty 

 

price tag  hods plenty of rounds.

 

some look at the price tag I have limited funds but I save and get the best  in the end you will be more satisfied and have less problems IMHO.

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Just purchased a S&W M10-5 .38 special revolver it looks nice and old. Turns out LAPD use to file off the single action notch so its only a double action. Im debating on whether to fix that or not, Any input would be appreciated. Here's a picture

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Heavy,

You have an OUTSTANDING revolver. IF, the action is still good, smooth with no drags on the take up, I personally wouldn't touch it. However, replacement K frame triggers are easily obtained and (if I can do it) EASY to replace!

I would look seriously at the Buffalo Bore dot com "heavy .38 Special loads" for the 4 inch round butt K frame. They use a 158 SOFT LHP with a gas check that flat out MOVES in my K frame snubbies and it IS accurate. It works well on two and four legged predators too. They can mail order(can't remember if you can mail order ammo in LA County or not...)

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these are perfect pistols  and can handle +P I would shoot them sparingly if at all they print lower and at pistol ranges not that much

 

I love fixed sights less to snag on your clothing I am not a fan of adjustable sights never needed them I have had to buy specific weight

 

bullets that strike at point of aim but that is a minor detail IMO.

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I never have gone into the auto thing. I have about a bajillion 357 and 38 rounds and both revolvers and rifles to shoot them. I like the Taurus 85 and also shoot an old Ruger Security 6 that is a lot like the old N frame S&W model 28. It is a little heavy but so stout that it handles reloads that would just be INSANE in a K frame Smith. I've shot them until they are instinctive for me and can't see where, for me, more fire power is worth giving up an almost certain one shot stop with the 357mag. I used to use cigarette packages for targets on a run through combat course because that about covers the heart or sinus in size. All I want is time to squeeze off ONE clean shot!

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LOL, in the old days I smoked like a chimney, FOUR packs a day!!! So I naturally always had a lot of packages around. We had built a combat range in a wooded lot. The targets would get shot up so I would go through before I made a run and staple a package on each target. I fortunately wised up after my Mama lost a lung to cancer and my Dad started having to drag an oxygen bottle around. I quit the damn cancer sticks almost 20 years ago now.

 

I am left handed but mostly shoot right handed. The nice t hing is though that I am nonetheless comfortable with either hand. I used to love occasionally run the course with a pair of revolvers, one in each hand. Wouldn't do that if things were serious but it was fun and educational. Everyone should practice some with their off hand and one handed so if they just have to they will have some level of experience with that.

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...an OLD Security Six??????

DUDE! That's NOW a classic! Unebelievable that yoiu would denigrate such a fine revolver by calling it "old". Send it to ,e I KNOW how to conduct rest and rehabilitation for "OLD" Ruger Security Six revolvers!!!

All kidding aside, they ARE built better than any tank in history and don't you ever sell that thing. I would haunt you forever if you do!

That's destined to be an heirloom for someone in your family!!

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That old Ruger is like a part of me. It is smooth as glass in the action and still tight and able to take even the harshest reloads with out flinching. My best bud back in the old days was a S&W man and ruined a Model 19 and a 66 trying to shoot the heavy loads that I fed my Security 6 and Blackhawk. He tried an L frame 586 but it still wasn't up to the pressures the Rugers seemed to thrive on. He finally got a Model 28 and it was the STUFF but it was heavy and well I'm an OX and he was more of a little burro. He went Glock on me. I like Glocks but the only Auto that I really wanted was the Bren 10 and it didn't make the trip. The "10" kicked too much so like the 41 mag it went away. The .40 is OK but it isn't a magnum.

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I used to get pounded for advising Quality firearms because the first rip would be "DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS"

 

Well yes I do and even in the day they cost a similar amount as compared to todays dollar / wage.

 

I rank many "OLD" Rugers as first tier firearms even over Smith & Wesson

 

certain Smith's are better it is all in how much use and carry situation

 

I am not a 40 S&W fan for one basic reason but that reason is becoming less over time like the 30-06 it was the caliber as time moves on

I see the 308 will replace it

 

I HATE PLASTIC in firearms there have been failures of some brands frames now that we have 25 years on them I have fired

100 year old Colts I doubt people will be shooting 100 year old PLASTIC pistols and rifles IMHO

And what really ticks me off is the prices are no different than steel frames so what would be my motivation to buy plastic NONE.

 

Customizing is a right of any person their vehicle their home but OH NO not your pistol I can still hear Henry Ford any color as long as it's black.

now it is as long as it is plastic UGGHH

I like custom wood and antler bone etc. grips and it is a cottage industry for every P.O.S plastic junk there goes another sale for some poor guy 

working in his shop yea people can make plastic items but lets get real it take expensive and powered machinery special molds etc

Companies are cutting their own throat. I saw a MOD of a Ruger MKIII ss/45 plastic frame they milled off the faux grip panel sa as to allow

the use of custom screw on after market grips. it is too bad these companies have not engineered this into their design then I might no be so disgusted

with the butt ugly look of them.

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I cannot stomach the "looks" of polymer firearms, while I DO have several, I still think NOTHING beats the quality blue on a classic Python or Smith and Wesson revovler from "back in the day" which I well remember. I have seen first hand in a previouis career, the near-instant compliance when pointing a fully loaded at a felony suspect, he could see the rounds in the revolver that would be coming his way, as opposed to the polymer handguns, which I thikn many thugs and thuggettes disresepct, because they cannot ell if they are loaded or not.

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I think it is a very astute observation It also has to do with the cylinder the larger the caliber it  looks like the open door to hell.

 

I also feel if a firearm is pulled it needs to be smokin" we protect stupid people like they are an endangered species instead of

 

decent citizens being afraid of criminals and police being afraid of being sued and their families being harmed from it.

 

I would like to see the reverse.

 

First most of this is for the readers and not the folks here as I believe they already know all of what I am about to post...

 

it does take a slight bit longer for a reload BUT how many civilian shootings require a reload ? not many and it really depends on

 

how much control the individual has and proficient they are practice practice and train it is very hard to do with many ranges have

 

so many rules you really cannot double tapping is being restricted at some ranges {considered rapid fire}.

 

revolvers were proven by a few like Ed Mcgivern, and others proved in courts of law that a wheel gun could be fired as fast as an auto

 

and with accuracy in fact still to this day single action {a cowboy pistol} still holds the record for speed and accuracy 3/100ths of a second

 

to draw fire and return the pistol to it's holster. so fast that a person holding a cocked hand gun never had a chance.

 

it is a real shame that people do not appreciate all firearms instead of belittling one or another type they all are or have a place

 

I don't think a department should be making one size fits all of course a list of approved quality weapons is fine but making all carry

 

a semi auto.

 

It has caused problems a few accidents from hammer drop safeties some from plastic guns with the trigger mounted safeties

 

not to mention firearm retention holsters and these same problems of AD {accidental discharges}  were suppose to be stopped by

 

all these new features the transfer bar safety in almost all revolvers in the last 50 years is the safest type pistol ever made.

 

and now of days a key lock LMAO the failure of adults to control their children or children not to respect their parents or any other adult.

 

you can also thank stupid cartoon TV shows where the cartoon kids make fun of adults and avoid real consequences on these shows.

 

A safety is only as good as the safe use of the equipment it is on.

 

people still cut off fingers legs and arms with saws people still looseeyes and die using "SAFE" EQUIPMENT

 

Guns are no different it plainly states in most firearm manuals

"DO NOT POINT A FIREARM AT ANYTHING YOU DO NOT WANT TO DESTROY"

 

and it also states "TREAT ALL FIREARMS AS LOADED"  so any argument that takes sides one is safer than another is incorrect.

 

wheel guns or revolvers are more utilitarian easier to use than most semi autos as most take a fair amount of force to load or unload them.

 

a revolver can be cocked fro a lighter trigger pull and has the extra benefit of a  heavier  double action trigger pull better for anxious people in

 

a dangerous circumstance who may not be well trained I hope most people know that having your finger on the trigger is tactically wrong

 

a person should have their finger poised on the trigger guard it adds a layer of safety people have been shot by family members

 

by accident I am old school I think it is a good idea to identify before you shoot unless lead is flying and the other side does not seem to care

 

whom they are shooting at then if your a reasonable citizen you still are responsible for your bullets where ever they go.

 

IMHO most all people should stick with a revolver unless you have more than average experience shooting level and or dealing with

 

criminals or dangerous encounters even trained individuals have sent more than one round down range under recoil.

 

I hate using statistics BUT I think in a older FBI report of incidents involving guns most gun fights were within 7 feet and less than 3 shots fired.

 

and my personal feeling is that the first one on target with the most lead is the winner, of course it can always end in a draw so unless your willing

 

to be or at least wounded and understand that there is always a possibility of injury or death consider well.

 

and not meaning to be a party pooper but injuries include permanent nerve damage loss of limbs crapping  OR PISSING in a plastic bag FOREVER

 

BRAIN DEATH  wheelchair bound for life,  disfigurement and worse YES WORSE.

 

And depends on your point of view the end result on your conscience although this WAS a conversation about revolvers or semi autos not against

 

either really.

 

I wanted to inject some reality yes it is that simple to carry or not and what to carry but please consider all before you decide to carry

 

remember you will be reacting for the most part,  the criminal has an upper hand he knows before you do unless your very observant

 

even then you cannot always be vigilant surprise is mostly on the side of the SNEAK attacker.

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Heavy,

You have an OUTSTANDING revolver. IF, the action is still good, smooth with no drags on the take up, I personally wouldn't touch it. However, replacement K frame triggers are easily obtained and (if I can do it) EASY to replace!

I would look seriously at the Buffalo Bore dot com "heavy .38 Special loads" for the 4 inch round butt K frame. They use a 158 SOFT LHP with a gas check that flat out MOVES in my K frame snubbies and it IS accurate. It works well on two and four legged predators too. They can mail order(can't remember if you can mail order ammo in LA County or not...)

hey thanks man. I currently only have the ammo the previous owner had 9rnd and i can't find any decent deals, so i will have to use range re loads. I will likely stock up on jhp .38+P ammo for sure.

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Even though I've always preferred the slightly more solid Ruger or Taurus Frame styles I have to say that the S&W 586 L Frame was one of the prettiest revolvers ever made. Just looks wise, to me, it rivaled the Python. It was a good shooter too!

 

Each brand seemed to have its pluses and minuses so the "Best" was more a choice that you needed to make based on what you were going to do with it. I was a high volume shooter that like to reload and push the boundaries somewhat. For me that meant I needed a Ruger. My best friend carried his revolver a lot in a professional capacity and for his EDC the S&W 66 was the best. I got into a more stylistic type of target shooting for a while and the "best" for that for me was a Dan Wesson or a Python. The accuracy of the Dan Wesson was phenomenal because you could adjust the cylinder gap and reduce the instability that a larger gap caused. That made the difference between a 1" group and a one hole group for me.

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Heavy- check on gunbot.net for ammunition "deals", they regularly post LIVE prices. Although no ammo at present is "decently priced", it helps to have an idea of where to go. I would also check to see if there is a Sportsmans Warehouse in SoCal, a Scheels, or hit Bass Pro when in Vegas.You can get decent deals there as well.

 

Wally- my "interesting observation" came after several felony proned parolees remarked to be that they always said be afraid of cops who "still" carry revolvers, they know how to use them, the same was said of cops who carried reovers with "rubber grips", as one parolee told me to my face, "...YOU(meaning all law enforcement who carried revolvers) LIKE shooting gangstas, 'cause ya got rubber grips...". Didn't think they "noticed" but like most of us who carry daily, they DO.

 

As Snake said, "loaded revolvers look like an open door to hell", I would agree and I've seen first hand any number of felons, when I was a rookie carrying a revolver and a BUG revolver in my left pocket on ALL car stops; seeing those rounds just itchin' to come out of that barrel at a high rate of speed(faster than any felon can indeed run-EVEN from a two inch), it does give an immediate consequence to one thinking about non-compliance. I consider the loaded cylinders to be five, six or seven OPEN doors to hell. That is never a "bad thing" at all.Just my personal opinion is all and opinions are always "warm air" expelled in a controlled manner-most of the time.

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That revolver originally came with, by today's standards, very small wood grips. The after market grips were a big up grade as far as your ability to control the weapon using today's two handed grips and such. For a long time the standard way to fire a revolver was the old one hand, arm straight out to the side with your off hand sort of behind your back sort of crud.

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Yes, the "VERY SMALL GRIPS" in S&W parlance are referred to as magna grips. Why? I havenofreakingidea. As Danm said, they are crap.

The grips pictured on Heavy's revolver are "after market" wodden Hogue grips with finger grooves for one's digits. And yes, I have them on all of my S&W revolvers, becaue I shoot SO much better with them, than without them.(just me I guess)

I LIKE my revolvers, not shifting in my hands when I shoot, so I use the Hogue grips Their website is getgrip.com and NO, I do not work for them, I'm not related to the company and have no interest in them other than they make GOOD stuff.

Hope this helps someone out there.

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