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I'm a fan but I do have one concern, and that is his stance on the war on drugs. I agree with him to a point. I just don't want to see this cartel business on the border continue to escalate and have our nation turn a blind eye to a very real threat. But, that being said, he has my vote. There's too much horror occuring because of the obama administration and that needs to end. The other candidates seem to be too much "typical" politician and not enough human being. Just my opinion.

 

He has expressed serious concern about our borders. I saw a video of him a while back ago saying that if he were elected president, after bringing ALL our troops home, he would consider using the national guard on our borders. I'm sure he would also be doing alot of firing and re-hiring as far as the DHS goes since they obviously don't give a rats behind about the border.

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I agree with a lot of what he says, the problem that Paul supporters have is they think he can do everything he says. In theory ending the Fed Reserve and cutting everything he wants is great and the right thing to do, as most of it is way over the bounds of the Federal Government, however unless we get Paul Clones in Congress, most of that will never happen. His foreign policy is my big hangup and quite frankly a little scary. I agree we shouldn't be the world police, and minus a few strategic bases, I believe we should the majority of our troops home. But this idea that the terrorist issue facing the world will just go away overnight if we leave them alone, is idiocy. This idea that Iran, whether they are close to the bomb or not, will just go away if we leave them alone is crazy. I agree with alot of what he says, some of it is crazy though. As for the others, Newt and Romney are nothing but moderates, nothing near what we need. Bachman, I mean really, can we find a semi-competent Conservative woman?!?!?! First Palin now this ditz...REALLY!!! I like Santorum, but he won't get the nomination and I really like Perry. I'll vote Perry or Paul in the Primary and ABO in the election. Though I fear that Romney or Newt as president will only bring about a repeat of the last election, with people sick of the "Conservatives" when neither one is. We need a TRUE Conservative, but that will probably never happen.

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I agree with a lot of what he says, the problem that Paul supporters have is they think he can do everything he says. In theory ending the Fed Reserve and cutting everything he wants is great and the right thing to do, as most of it is way over the bounds of the Federal Government, however unless we get Paul Clones in Congress, most of that will never happen. His foreign policy is my big hangup and quite frankly a little scary. I agree we shouldn't be the world police, and minus a few strategic bases, I believe we should the majority of our troops home. But this idea that the terrorist issue facing the world will just go away overnight if we leave them alone, is idiocy. This idea that Iran, whether they are close to the bomb or not, will just go away if we leave them alone is crazy. I agree with alot of what he says, some of it is crazy though. As for the others, Newt and Romney are nothing but moderates, nothing near what we need. Bachman, I mean really, can we find a semi-competent Conservative woman?!?!?! First Palin now this ditz...REALLY!!! I like Santorum, but he won't get the nomination and I really like Perry. I'll vote Perry or Paul in the Primary and ABO in the election. Though I fear that Romney or Newt as president will only bring about a repeat of the last election, with people sick of the "Conservatives" when neither one is. We need a TRUE Conservative, but that will probably never happen.

 

The terrorist "issue" has been around well before any of us walked this earth. We were attacked because we can't keep our noses in our own business. And yeah while I think its good to help other nations in need, sending foreign aide to countries governments that obviously don't use it for the way it is intended to be used and having bases around the world that were established solely because of the once soviet threat is just asinine. Ron Paul says it best on foreign aide, we take the money from the poor people in the US(taxes) and send it over seas to rich people that don't need it, i.e. Saudia Arabia. We have spent billions and trillions of tax payer dollars to go blow up bridges in other countries, yet alot of highways, bridges and roads right here at home are falling apart. We simply cannot afford what we are doing around the globe, if we continue to do so, we go bankrupt and thats it, just like what happened to the Soviet Union.

 

Anyways...latest polls out of Iowa...

 

Ron Paul 23%

Mitt Romney 20%

Newt Gingrich 14%

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The terrorist "issue" has been around well before any of us walked this earth. We were attacked because we can't keep our noses in our own business. And yeah while I think its good to help other nations in need, sending foreign aide to countries governments that obviously don't use it for the way it is intended to be used and having bases around the world that were established solely because of the once soviet threat is just asinine. Ron Paul says it best on foreign aide, we take the money from the poor people in the US(taxes) and send it over seas to rich people that don't need it, i.e. Saudia Arabia. We have spent billions and trillions of tax payer dollars to go blow up bridges in other countries, yet alot of highways, bridges and roads right here at home are falling apart. We simply cannot afford what we are doing around the globe, if we continue to do so, we go bankrupt and thats it, just like what happened to the Soviet Union.

 

Anyways...latest polls out of Iowa...

 

Ron Paul 23%

Mitt Romney 20%

Newt Gingrich 14%

Yea and if they'd have wiped them out then, we wouldn't be dealing with them now. Oh yea, Muslims are just a peace loving, non-violent people, who just want their side heard. Kinda hard to hear over the sounds of explosions and innocent women and children dying. I know that might be inconvenient for those Ron Paul supporters without the capacity to fathom the fact that a group of people could hate others for not following the same religion, but its true.

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His foreign policy is my big hangup and quite frankly a little scary. I agree we shouldn't be the world police, and minus a few strategic bases, I believe we should the majority of our troops home. But this idea that the terrorist issue facing the world will just go away overnight if we leave them alone, is idiocy.

Aptly titled "You like Ron Paul except on foreign policy"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8NhRPo0WAo

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No offense JonM1911, but that is an icredibly sterotypical statement.

 

I encourage you, and everyone else, to watch this video...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8NhRPo0WAo

 

Aptly titled "You like Ron Paul except on foreign policy"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8NhRPo0WAo

Yea, I've seen it before and it really didn't change my mind, you know why, b/c it only gives ONE side of the story. The boohoo pity party for the extremists. Do I think we should be in everyone's business, no, but there comes a time when enough is enough.

 

I'm not going to go through the whole history of who started what, but here's one thing I've had a RP supporter tell me.

"For example: Very few know anything about the 1986 bombing of Libya, which resulted in the killing of Gaddafi's stepdaughter, which led to the Pan Am 103 bombing over Lockerbie, Scotland two years later."

 

Well, not only has there been findings that disprove there ever was a stepdaughter to begin with, but the bombing in Libya was retaliation for the 1986 Berlin discotheque bombing, in which 2 US service men and a Turkish civilian were killed and 229 wounded.

 

I can't see how any rational person can try to justify the attack of our allies (Kuwait and Israel), the bombing of our Marine barracks, the USS Cole, the WTC in '93, on and on. You people act like the extremists are all innocent in this and they did nothing to warrant our intervention over there. Sure you can go back half a century and find some obscure thing, that someone did, that might have caused things down the road, but when do you say enough is enough, get over it. You can trace this fight all the way back to the Crusades all the way back to the Bible.

 

It all boils down to this. They had a problem, you say its one thing, I say its another. Instead of being rational human beings about it, they decided to kill 3,000 American civilians including women and children...not that they value women to begin with. They brought this upon themselves, maybe they should have picked someone who couldn't fight back. Too bad, so sad, OBL is fish food. Pack it up, come home, secure the border, tell the rest of the world where to go and be done with it.

 

My personal foreign policy, bring all our troops home, except for strategic bases on ally soil. Stop all foreign aid except to allies (proven allies) which really need it. Secure the border. Leave the UN, or at the very least take a VERY small role in it and tell them to go build their headquarters elsewhere, we're taking our land back. Tell the rest of the world to handle their own affairs, but if they so much as harm one hair on one American's head, there will be hell to pay. And I don't mean a long drawn out campaign, bomb em, wipe em out, and leave. No nation building, no humanitarian aid, no nothing. You kill our civilians, we wreck you and go home. That's the way war is, our military is not a nation building team, they are professional soldiers, not school builders or peacekeepers.

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You make some valid points which I respect. In no way an am I trying to justify attacks on anyone, both our allies and us, but clearly our actions in the middle east for the last 60+ plus years have proved to be consequential. Its a very hard pill for people to swallow sometimes to hear that we are not the "Almighty America" that has been plastered all over bumper stickers and wind shields. I love our country, I have served in the military, and it took my time in being deployed several times for me to wake up to whats really going on around the world and what it is we are doing both abroad and the consequences we reap back here at home because of those actions. The Soviet Union found this out the hard way. We are repeating history and unless we make extreme changes to how we do things here at home and abroad, I only see things getting worse. We are on a slippery slope in flip flops right now.

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My personal foreign policy, bring all our troops home, except for strategic bases on ally soil. Stop all foreign aid except to allies (proven allies) which really need it. Secure the border. Leave the UN, or at the very least take a VERY small role in it and tell them to go build their headquarters elsewhere, we're taking our land back. Tell the rest of the world to handle their own affairs, but if they so much as harm one hair on one American's head, there will be hell to pay. And I don't mean a long drawn out campaign, bomb em, wipe em out, and leave. No nation building, no humanitarian aid, no nothing. You kill our civilians, we wreck you and go home. That's the way war is, our military is not a nation building team, they are professional soldiers, not school builders or peacekeepers.

that is pretty much Ron Pauls stance, except the foreign aid, taking money from poor people in USA and giving it to rich people in poor countries. What has Israel done to deserve $114,000,000,000 of our money? We give them military grants AND economic grants. To top it off, i see infomercials asking me to send Israel money for boxes of food. I just think we need to feed our own people first, before we send hundreds of billions of dollars overseas.

 

If we need war, declare it, get it done, and get home.

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that is pretty much Ron Pauls stance, except the foreign aid, taking money from poor people in USA and giving it to rich people in poor countries. What has Israel done to deserve $114,000,000,000 of our money? We give them military grants AND economic grants. To top it off, i see infomercials asking me to send Israel money for boxes of food. I just think we need to feed our own people first, before we send hundreds of billions of dollars overseas.

 

If we need war, declare it, get it done, and get home.

I agree, that's what I meant when I said 'which really need it'. Most of our allies are able to help themselves, so baring a natural disaster of some sort, there's no reason they need money from us.

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I was thinking, even if you dont agree w/ pauls views on foreign policy or the war on drugs, he is still worth voting for as i believe he will be able to provide a BALANCE to the congress, it seems if we elect all dems or all reps, one will end up running rough shod over the other (and the people) Mr Paul on the other hand-who doesnt seem beholden to any one - may be just the thing,,, provide a check and balance to the congress,,,if you think he wants legalize drugs-think again , what i think is he would leave to the states to decide,(and yes some states would probably legalize some-that is their right) as for overseas policy-only congress can declare war /(authorize use of force= BS,-its war..)and if he enforces the constitution whats wrong with that?

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I like some of Ron Pauls views but as stated before his foreign policy does leave me cold. Another problem i see is i don't think Paul can muster enough republican support to beat the current worthless president. I hate to be a one issue guy but in this election the ability to vote out the president is my number one objective.

Which one of these guys is able to do that? I wish i had a crystal ball.

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I agree, that's what I meant when I said 'which really need it'. Most of our allies are able to help themselves, so baring a natural disaster of some sort, there's no reason they need money from us.
you probably expected this then... so, what dont you agree with? LoL

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Ill bite..

I have been a libertarian at hart for a while,Im also a hawk on defence,War,KILL THEM and come home.I REALY want ALL troups out of Europe(the commies still fear GERMANY) and the mid east,Everyone.Tell India to handle Packey.Theres a fight.

Let Israel loose,not our problem.At home close the borders and let those who want to be here sighn up.Ron Paul has no chance to win,too much money to stop him,yes I would love to see him win.

Reality my friends is we need the Congress and Senate to change.

As I write this Im makeing my own cigs because I hate the D%$# taxes,and tobacco seed is on the way for spring planting.

Oh and i could ask/ did Jesus pay any tax on the wine he made?

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Ill bite..

I have been a libertarian at hart for a while,Im also a hawk on defence,War,KILL THEM and come home.I REALY want ALL troups out of Europe(the commies still fear GERMANY) and the mid east,Everyone.Tell India to handle Packey.Theres a fight.

Let Israel loose,not our problem.At home close the borders and let those who want to be here sighn up.Ron Paul has no chance to win,too much money to stop him,yes I would love to see him win.

Reality my friends is we need the Congress and Senate to change.

As I write this Im makeing my own cigs because I hate the D%$# taxes,and tobacco seed is on the way for spring planting.

Oh and i could ask/ did Jesus pay any tax on the wine he made?

 

So, you like Ron Paul and his views on everything, but you think he can't win because of the money. So doe's that mean you aren't even going to try and vote for him, or what does that mean? Sorry, I don't mean to pry, just curious.

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I would vote for him in an Election, I did for Ross Perot. but this is just the Vetting proccess to see who can pull everyone togeather. Mitt will,he Can beat the person sitting in White house now.

Thats the most Important thing right now,get the liberals out,and start on the congress and the senate next.

No I dont agree with ALL of any persons view,and I dont expect anyone to agree with all of mine. I have some far out Ideas and some just down right crazy.

But thats what America is all about..yaa America.

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mitt wont, his flip flopping is being exposed. his Republican In Name Only (RINO) qualities are surfacing. Socialism under guise of conservative reform is collapsing as any house of cards will.

 

For the mainstream media and establishment republicans to say a Ron Paul win in IA will discredit the caucus, their govener is telling people not to waste their votes on him, and they will be looking to whoever comes in 2nd or 3rd goes to show that they are literally telling the voters "youre stupid, you cant have Ron Paul" even if thats what they really DO want. he will win, he is electable. 12 times re-elected. thats winning if i ever saw it

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I would vote for him in an Election, I did for Ross Perot. but this is just the Vetting proccess to see who can pull everyone togeather. Mitt will,he Can beat the person sitting in White house now.

Thats the most Important thing right now,get the liberals out,and start on the congress and the senate next.

No I dont agree with ALL of any persons view,and I dont expect anyone to agree with all of mine. I have some far out Ideas and some just down right crazy.

But thats what America is all about..yaa America.

 

I hope you realize that if Romney or Gingrich were for some horrifying reason elected, they would be no different than the current Obama administration, especially Romney. If you look at the two parties today, they aren't all that much different, which is why this can't(never should have been) be about which party has the oval office be it conservative or liberal. The republican party was hijacked a long time ago by nut jobs. Ron Paul is an actual Republican, not the scum of the GOP today that have tainted it.

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Both Romney and Gingrich are flip-floppers. Gingrich is evil in my honest opinion. He plays the political game and moves to advance his personal position, not the position of us, the people. Romney is not much different than Obama. Ron Paul is dead on with many issues, and even if you disagree at least he is consistent and stubborn enough to vote the Consitution. If anything he will be a nice 'Check and Balance', which is what we reaaaally need in office right now. Because of both parties, our Liberty is down the tubes and on top of it they follow Keynesian Economics instead of Austrian Economics and keep ruining our economy by printing more money and attempting to spark the economic motor back into running. I could really get into a long debate on why Ron Paul is right on so many issues, but honestly, trying to convince anybody via the internet is almost always a waste of time. Convincing people to change core beliefs takes a big investment of time and mental energy on the parts of both parties and a willingness to listen. I used to be very 'Conservative' which means Neo-Conservative, but after much discussion and research, I've moved to a Paleo-Conservative stance.

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Let me only say this.I do agree that Ron Paul would be My first choise and I support him.I realy think that he and his son are whats needed in America.Its what the TEA party is all about.Im all for it .

Here is the "BUT" of the whole situation.If Americans gets off there BUTT and do something about the curent troubles and put the correct people in office we have a chance.

 

I lived through the Carter administration,and Complained and talked to as many as would hear me I got involved and people just would not listen at the start.

Here is some History NOT talked about.Carted was a FAILED Farmer,lost everything 3 times,asshole could not even raise peanuts in the PEANUT STATE.The Bank that refinanced him also backed him.

Guess who that was?????ARABs.and the gas went up?? NO SHIT.Oh but he had a country band singing with him and supporting him.BS.

Gentlemen \\....Im sure that Ron Paul would be a Great President,and I hope and Pray that America gets off its BUTT and does something different like VOTE and Change.

If not ...well..we will see.Be ready,Pray,Prep.dont think your alone like I was many years ago screaming in the wind.

last word...stay grey as much as possible.support those who you will.

By the way.Mits father was Govenor of Michigan in the 60s and a REP.but when he said that the GENERALS were lying about Nam..ooops he was gone,and was never heard of again.

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