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ZM,

I joined the Army because I'd read Socrates and understood his point about the city raised you, protected you, educated you and now you owe them. OK, I got it then and get it now, but when the rulers break the social contract, then the rules do change. I'm very proud of my service, I would do it again even knowing that I'd have 40+ years of back trouble as a result, because I love my country. I confess I talked my son out of joining the military when Clinton was president and I thank God I didn't have to serve under someone like Obozo.

 

Still, the desire to serve the nation (remember you are defending the Constitution, NOT the bloody president) is a very commendable thing.

 

Oh, in answer to the post's question: I was a 14E20 (Fire direction control) as an enlisted man, an 1193 FA unit commander, 1190 FA Ballistic Missile Unit Commander, and an 1981 Rotary Wing Unit Commander. I did get to play with some neat stuff.

 

those do sound fun lol. unfortunately im more of a simpleton ill end up being the guy they tell to go here and shoot them lol

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For vonBayern, the wonderful guys in the USAF, that go in after downed pilots, etc. are called Pararescuemen, or PJ's. Hardcore good guys to go into harm's way with. Pretty much the only REAL special ops GROUND forces the USAF has, well, there's the Combat Controllers, they're decent as well, usually by themselves with the Army SF guys.

Since they fraternize wth the SF and sometimes the Sealies, the rest of us tended to pretend they weren't really "smart enough" to be IN the USAF!

I love the Marines just wouldn't want either of our daughters to marry one!

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friend of mine makes fun or the coast guard, "are they part of our military?" is a statement that has got him in some arguments.

 

I always said that the positive side to being in the coast guard was if you get into any trouble you can always wade to shore ;)

 

LMAO!!! snake that is so wrong but i can't help but laugh.

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friend of mine makes fun or the coast guard, "are they part of our military?" is a statement that has got him in some arguments.

 

I always said that the positive side to being in the coast guard was if you get into any trouble you can always wade to shore ;)

 

Sad but true...but then that's why you have to be six feet tall to join the Coast Gaurd...otherwise you'll get water in your mouth as you try to walk back in. :P

 

 

As a side note...I've heard that the Coast Guard got moved over to Homeland Security and isn't really considered a part of the military anymore...haven't tried to verify so I don't know if its true or not.

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VB,

The CG are now part of HSA (sorry guys) BUT they are now and always have been a military service. They serve a police,rescue, revenue, etc. roll and in time of war revert to military control under the Navy.

http://www.uscg.mil/top/missions/

 

There were quite a few 'brown water' types in and around the rivers and harbors of RVN. They don't have any carriers or battleships but they are definitely part of the military.

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Capt, wasn't questioning if they were military or not...just seems like putting em under HSA seems like a demotion.

 

My father in law was a Coastie during WW2 doing anti submarine escort duty from Havana to New York...and for those who didn't know. Yes there were UBoats in the Gulf of Mexico and they did sink some ships there as well.

 

Yeah...I spent a little bit of time helping out one of the SBU units here in the states. The PBRs are fun especially when you get em up on step. Pisses off the fishermen though when you turn the bend and cut their fishing lines. Didn't do it on purpose but the engineman had his hands down below and not knowing where they were or how his balance was, I wasn't gonna turn the wheel and maybe get him hurt.

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ZM, which ever branch you choose, serving is an honorable thing that most Americans will never have the testicular fortitude to do. And regardless the MOS you pick there will always be crap talking. I'm active Army, 11B (Infantry) and a B4 (Sniper) team leader. In the Army, Sniper is a skill identifier not like the marines where its an actual MOS (and God knows I wish it was).

 

There are moments I love my job and then there are moments I hate it. Life in the military is not easy and depending on several factors (your chain of command, your unit, ect. ect.) it can be better or worse for you than others. It also changes from one day to the next, one commander to the next and one unit to the next. The military is what you make of it. If you put crap out you'll get crap back.

 

Think long and hard about how much comfort means to you, how much discomfort bothers you, and what you want to get out of the military. That should give you a good idea of what you might be interested in doing. I've noticed that most of the new kids we get these days never considered how much the basic comforts meant to them and they have a real hard time dealing with not having them. But if you decide that being cold or hot, tired, and hungry sounds like fun to you then the Infantry is the place for you. I know I love it!!! Wouldn't change it for the world

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Stickhorse,

Well written, sir. Everybody makes fun of someone else (NEVER make fun of Jolly Greens, Pararescue, Medivac etc. around combat troops unless you want to find out how good a dental plan you have) and that is just normal. Stand up for your branch but never talk it personally.

 

One other point. As Colin Powell said, the job of the military is to kill people and break things. Get that fact straight - all of the lovely TV adds about saving lives, helping others, etc. may be good and true BUT your main job is and always will be to kill the enemies of the US and break their countries into little pieces. If you don't get that straight before you start, you may have some trouble adjusting. You should never become the idiotic "I want to kill" wing-nut but never forget you may be called on to use your weapons for score. If you can't get comfortable with that fact, don't join. If you are an officer in a nuclear branch (Army, Air Force, Navy) you must be wiling to employ nuclear/atom weapons. Not a role to assume lightly.

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well im definetly not smart enough to work with anything nuclear and im not one of those wack jobs who want to kill somebody i would love it if their wasn't a need for weapons or war but i accept the fact that it is a necessary part of life.

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ZM, which ever branch you choose, serving is an honorable thing that most Americans will never have the testicular fortitude to do. And regardless the MOS you pick there will always be crap talking. I'm active Army, 11B (Infantry) and a B4 (Sniper) team leader. In the Army, Sniper is a skill identifier not like the marines where its an actual MOS (and God knows I wish it was).

 

There are moments I love my job and then there are moments I hate it. Life in the military is not easy and depending on several factors (your chain of command, your unit, ect. ect.) it can be better or worse for you than others. It also changes from one day to the next, one commander to the next and one unit to the next. The military is what you make of it. If you put crap out you'll get crap back.

 

Think long and hard about how much comfort means to you, how much discomfort bothers you, and what you want to get out of the military. That should give you a good idea of what you might be interested in doing. I've noticed that most of the new kids we get these days never considered how much the basic comforts meant to them and they have a real hard time dealing with not having them. But if you decide that being cold or hot, tired, and hungry sounds like fun to you then the Infantry is the place for you. I know I love it!!! Wouldn't change it for the world

 

never understood that about the Army.. I know it goes along with our tradition of marksmanship training and all which would make being a scout/sniper a coveted MOS in the Corps but still being such a important combat MOS which Army snipers have proven themselves you would think they would make it its own MOS

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never understood that about the Army.. I know it goes along with our tradition of marksmanship training and all which would make being a scout/sniper a coveted MOS in the Corps but still being such a important combat MOS which Army snipers have proven themselves you would think they would make it its own MOS

 

Wardog,

For a long time, "sniper" was not an honorable role in the minds of many civilians. That is why the US took so long to establish formal training for the snipers. Usually, snipers were developed in the field when the best shots bubbled to the surface and were assigned the role of taking out important targets at range. I guess sniping was too much like "murder" for the liberals to be comfortable.

I do agree with you, it should be a separate MOS but I guess none of us make Army policy.

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Capt Bart and vonBayern,

 

You are both correct. For a very long time it wasn't viewed as "honorable" by both civilian and military leaders. But however they felt they finally couldn't ignore the effectiveness of snipers. I absolutely agree that it should be an MOS in the army and from what I have heard it is in talks to become one but that will take years. I just hope I'm not to old by the time it happens, lol

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