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Ok so first off this is a thread about how the axe is superior to the sheet metal that is called a machete. If you already agree with me then feel free to leave some advice/info about this subject, and know that I hope that we can become friends.

 

Second, this is NOT me blindly hating machetes. My dislike and distrust of them was earned by their cheaply being maded and being inpractical for the north american prepper/campers needs. If you think you can convince me other wise, then feel free to try.

 

NO UNNEEDED TROLLING PLEASE!

 

On a final note, I know your here DonDon, because we've had many arguments about this. However I will ask you to please refrain from tryingto stop this. Thank you :-)

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Zombie,

A poorly made blade is not even a good paperweight, regardless of its shape or form. A bad axe, a bad machete or a bad knife - heck even a bad razor blade will get you hurt, perhaps very badly. With that as a given, I think you have created a false dichotomy with your post. It is not axe vs machete. Anyone who would choose a machete to cut down a tree (except in an emergency) is an idiot and I doubt anyone would argue that point. On the other hand, trying to use an axe to clear a path though swampy ground, saw grass, jungle, or other such tall and uncut is just as silly. A well made, sharp machete along the Gulf Coast is often much more useful than an axe. My "pioneer" tools include axe, hatchet (did you forget about hatchets?), machete (of two sizes 24" and 14"), and a solid fixed blade knife. I also have a couple of shovels, various size ropes, trash bags, buckets, etc.

The key is that no tool is perfect for every application. The big Rambo knives don't help much when the job is to fillet a fish, a fillet knife would never be my first choice for gutting a deer, and not even a Kay-Bar would be my first choice for clearing a path or chopping wood. Most of us have a warm spot in our hearts for multi-taskers (those tools that do many things well) but we need to recognize their limits. Your axe vs. machete question left out the most important option - BOTH!

 

Just my not so humble opinion.

Edited by Capt Bart

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Zombie,

A poorly made blade is not even a good paperweight, regardless of its shape or form. A bad axe, a bad machete or a bad knife - heck even a bad razor blade will get you hurt, perhaps very badly. With that as a given, I think you have created a false dichotomy with your post. It is not axe vs machete. Anyone who would choose a machete to cut down a tree (except in an emergency) is an idiot and I doubt anyone would argue that point. On the other hand, trying to use an axe to clear a path though swampy ground, saw grass, jungle, or other such tall and uncut is just as silly. A well made, sharp machete along the Gulf Coast is often much more useful than an axe. My "pioneer" tools include axe, hatchet (did you forget about hatchets?), machete (of two sizes 24" and 14"), and a solid fixed blade knife. I also have a couple of shovels, various size ropes, trash bags, buckets, etc.

The key is that no tool is perfect for every application. The big Rambo knives don't help much when the job is to fillet a fish, a fillet knife would never be my first choice for gutting a deer, and not even a Kay-Bar would be my first choice for clearing a path or chopping wood. Most of us have a warm spot in our hearts for multi-taskers (those tools that do many things well) but we need to recognize their limits. Your axe vs. machete question left out the most important option - BOTH!

 

Just my not so humble opinion.

 

Look right now I am stuck with a tablet so I will respond when I'm near a computer, because I got a lot to respond to and hate typing to this blasted thing

 

ah much better, i miss having a proper keyboard *is at a computer*

 

now to adress barts point, yes a crappy blade isn't worth shit, however when it comes to $20 hatchets and $20 machetes, it6s bluntly obvius the the axe will be better made, as unlike the machete it's metal head is thick and compact so there is both less surface to crack, and thicker metal stand up to abuse better that thinner metal.

 

oh, and no i did not forget hatchets, because i thouugh it be better to be broad, but aparintly (i know that is spelt wrong bwtfe) my title was misread.

 

AND IF YOU WANT TO CARRY BOTH A MACHETE AND HATCHET/AXE, UR FALLING FOR THE REPTILIAN PART OF UR BRAIN THAT HAS SOME HOW DEVELOPET THE MISCONCEPTION THAT THE MACHETE IS MORE THJAN JUST A SWORD TURN (MINORLY) PRACTICAL.

 

oops the cap lock nwas on srry if it looks like i am yelling.

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OK, I'll make a run at this for you. For camping and bug out short term survival I'm more of a machete sort of guy. I also like Hawks and that is a different sort of thing altogether. I have SEVERAL Cold Steel machetes. They are made out of 1055 carbon steel and are tough as nails. Two of them are basically just poor mans swords. One based on the 1917 cutlass and the other sort of based on a Katina. Another one is based of the Kurki design. I've reworked the grips so that they fit my hands and needs better and either will take down a tree 12" or less in pretty short order. These are NOT sheet metal. They are about an eight of an inch thick with good weight and balance.

 

A lot of it all comes down to where you are and what you will be doing. I live in the piny woods of East Texas and am a lot more likely to need something for brush than chopping trees and splitting wood in the short term. The machetes excel at this sort of thing and also work well for gathering in camp fire wood. You just don't need giant logs for a camp or cooking fire. The thinner blades when used with a wooden club work well for splitting kindling.

 

ALSO if any freaking zombies show up I have a just wonderful beheading tool. I suspect that a pre-dead future zombie that saw me coming out with the cutlass would probably head for the hills as well. I would hate to show up at a gunfight with either a knife, ax or machete but a lot of times you just need a show of force to convince the soon to be dead if they don't act right to go pick on someone else. For up close and dirty in fighting I can't think of anything better than a handgun in one hand and a cutlass in the other. In my case it is even better than most because I am left handed but shoot right handed so each weapon would be in the best hand.

 

Now let me throw out another seldom thought of tool/weapon...Have you ever handled a special forces trenching tool? It has a fixed wooden handle and is like a hybrid made of an ax a machete AND a shovel!! It will actually do some of all three things pretty well. I carried one in my truck for years so the cops would get off my butt about me carrying a machete.

 

I'm also pretty fond of the Norse style poleaxes. They are pretty nice and lighter in the hand than an ax. Think tomahawk on steroids!

 

I have all sorts of edged weapons. There is something clean and personal about them that I just don't feel for a firearm. I know when I was young I bailed out of my truck one night when a bunch of rednecks blocked me in and were going to kick some hippie buetox. They didn't know that all hippies were NOT the same! I bailed out with a double bit ax and they nearly ran over each other getting out of there. I wasn't a very good hippie, I was a staunch backer of our troops and was more of a kill them all and let god sort them out rather than a make love not war sort. The nice thing about an ax is that in an ugly situation your opponent KNOWS what your intentions are RIGHT OFF. You might survive getting shot even but if someone gets you with an AX it is BAD every time.

 

Get a GOOD machete my friend and you might see some things different. Kabar and Cold Steel both make good ones. I have an old Ontario that has blazed a hundred miles of trails for me and will still take out a little tree the size of my wrist in a couple of whacks on each side.

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Danm, your Norse pole axe is most likely a Dane Axe, an awesome weapon and tool used for hundreds of years in Scandinavia, light, long and with a peculiar recessed heel and advanced toe design that made it wonderful at splitting bits of armor aparts. didyaknow they were typically used one handed with either a shield or a Seax (large, long utility/fighting knife carried by nearly everyone in northern Europe and could be considered part of the machete family) in the other. They sure did love to fight, and damned if they they didn't survive pretty well.... and interestingly they used both.

 

Anyone that knows me knows I'm a machete guy, just a matter of preference. And saying an axe head is going to be tougher just because there is more metal has obviously never heard of pot metal. What grade of steel is said axe head, if it's even steel at all, since metal could very well refer to a slab of copper. A machete isn't a peice of sheet metal, it's anymore than an axe head is a lump of metal. Both have been selected from a task specific grade of steel, then they are shaped, either by impact, pressing, or stock removal. They are both then hardened if not multiple times in different areas to control characteristics like edge holding, edge taking, springiness, resistance to chipping etc... and finally they are tempered to even out their stress points. A lot more complex than cutting it out with some tin snips wrapping hockey tape around one end and calling it a machete.

 

I suggest you try an Ontario, or my personal favorite a Condor, and if you're using a 20 dollar axe I recommend safety glasses, even when you're just looking at it.

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