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At what point, if at all do you foresee the ammo inventory back on shelves at a normal capacity? Will prices have risen on the everyday caliber when and if they do see a comeback as a result of a lesson learned from politics?

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depends on the political climate / changes to laws

 

I can foresee many companies going out of business if supply does not fill in soon I think it can come back within a year

 

the problem with thinking that is, what happens in the meantime to effect or change things so if people who are without

 

consider waiting could be back in the same situation or worse as some new event could launch prices higher.

 

change is inevitable but will it be good or bad?

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Hard to say for sure......................bird in hand....................................I hope my investment was better than the social security ponzi scheme I put money into....................LOL

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Government just bought another obscene amount the other day...just heard it on Patriot radio.

 

Along with 2500 mine proof APCs...kinda makes you wonder...

 

funny thing about mine proof it does not mean they are something else proof

 

I seem to remember proofing of armor by firing a wheel lock at it if it did not penetrate it was proofed

but as I recall Toledo steel in the right blade type could puncture it like the old can openers

most apc's bring their own bar-b-q as the upper bodies are laminated aluminum but material does not really matter.

 

 

Samuel Johnson, “There is no problem the mind of man can set that the mind of man cannot solve.”

Dr. Johnson died in 1784 but was far wiser than many I ever read I think I would have liked to have a drink or few with him.

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From my reading of old documents, the 'old' proof armor test was originally done with a crossbow...if it was shot and the bolt did not penetrate <I think 50'> it was 'proof' armor, if it was then shot again at a closer distance <25'?> it was 'double proof'.

 

Never really heard of them doing the same with pistols or musket type rifles...but it wouldn't surprise me to learn that they did.

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went to a sporting goods store today to check on ammo prices, guy there tell me 20 rnds of .308 is going for $45 dollars I said in amazement "for one box?", then walked away?

 

I have a tenancy to buy bulk bullets and brass as back in the day {2 months ago} stuff was cheap was scrounging around

and found 1K new remington 357 mag brass cases and 1K 38 spl remington cases and a small ammo can full of 158 grain

remington 3/4 jacket hollow points 300 nickle 357 mag once fired cleaned and polished.

 

now the only problem is I don't want to shoot any NOW! unless I can get restock I am in hunker mode.

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On the return of ammo to normal supply, I would expect it will lag about two months behind the failure of the "assault weapons" ban. If the ban doesn't fail, well...I wouldn't expect to see bullets on the shelves anytime soon.

 

On the US Department of Homeland Security ammo purchases, I'll do some simple math I did with my friends. The following agencies are under the DHS umbrella (armed/sworn)

 

US Customs and Border Patrol (58,000 employees)

US Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (20,500 employees)

Transportation Security Administration (35,000 employees)

Federal Emergency Management Agency (1,500 employees)

US Secret Service (4,500 employees)

US Coast Guard (45,000 employees)

 

Gives us, at a very low end estimate, around 133,000 armed/sworn law enforcement officers employed by DHS.

 

Your average local law enforcement agency carries a duty weapon that has a capacity of about 50 rounds. Many officers buy their own magazines and have additional ammo provided for them by the agency, making it about 100 duty rounds per officer. Many agencies qualify twice a year, and most agencies require a minimum of 200 rounds to successfully qualify just with their duty weapon, making it 300 rounds per officer per. Rifle, shotgun and special weapons require more rounds, say a total of 200 rounds, but not all officers will qualify with these so we won't even take them into consideration right now. My agency provides two boxes of practice ammo per year, making it 400 rounds per officer.

 

Just to hold their own, an agency employing 100 law enforcement officers must have a bare minimum of 40,000 rounds plus at least 10,000 rounds for rifle/shotgun/special weapons. A city of 40,000 people employs about 100 sworn officers, depending on the area of the country you're in.

 

To make bare minimum standards, DHS would have to purchase 53.2 million rounds for just a single duty weapon per officer. Because you are prepared, you always want to have more ammo on hand and available than you need, so you have at least 3 times your minimum levels of ammo, 159.6 million rounds. Bare in mind, I'm doing some pretty heavy low-balling here too.

 

In a single tactical class (24 hours of instruction over three days) I used 1,000 rounds of rifle ammo and 200 rounds of pistol ammo. Just me, just one class. I used essentially three times my yearly allotment in one day. See how those numbers add up quick? 1.6 billion rounds of ammo sounds like a lot, but I promise you even with mandatory in-service training only and a handful of additional classes, those rounds aren't going to go very far with much juice.

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Agreed, it doesn't add up to a pretty picture, that's for sure. The MRAPs make sense though. The HMMWV (Humvee) has never really been a good solution for urban operations. It was designed to fill the roll of the Jeep from World War II and wasn't really intended to be a front-line vehicle. It has been pressed into service in that roll, and we've had a number of casualties as a result. The MRAP fills a void that we've had in armored reconnaissance for awhile. Its also pretty apparent that most foreseeable future conflicts will involve guerrilla and street fighting, not so much head-to-head confrontations. The MRAP makes a lot more sense to order.

 

The fact that the pictures show it painted up in DHS colors with POLICE written on it is truly frightening.

 

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Fearless Leader said he wanted a civilian force for use in the US that was at least as well equipped as the military. Well, 'der Fuehrer' is getting his well equipped brown shirts. It will be interesting to see how well they do against a people who are NOT disarmed. They worked in Germany because the population was weaponless. We are not - in spite of the best attempts of the government. Interesting times indeed.

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With the current Feinstein bill and the,future ban,and regustration with Taxation(yes I said Taxation.they will tax you out of owning it )

If you dont own it NOW you SOL....

If you own it now expect to get it TAXed....

JMO

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