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Sorry 101matt, have to disagree...we don't have leaders now, we have career politicians. There's a difference, and please note, I said leadership...not a shepard to try and herd us along like the rest of the sheeple.

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To say we need a leader is not I guess what I was really thinking, it would be closer to say we need a spokesman who can reach into the minds of the sheeple and get them to start thinking again, to motivate those who stand silently, or to at least draw some of the blind followers who act like informed zealots for the latest new causes, and will regurgitate the lines they are fed, the enemy is winning this arena, we need to find a way to compete.

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I tend to think of leaders <civilian ones that is> as rally points.

 

They do two things, one is the motivate and educate the uninformed/misinformed masses and move then in the direction they NEED to going.

 

The second is that they provide a focus for those that are informed and unite them so that they have one voice that is heard instead of the many that are ignored.

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give me a name:

THe pro-2nd amendment crowd needs a front man. ...someone other than the NRA pres.

Any otherwhile cause needs a front-man. Look to history.. the Civil Rights 'movement', Women's Rights 'movement'...2nd Amendment 'movement' ?? or should it be called THe Constitutional Movement would probably get more support.

 

SO who would this person be? THe only name that comes to mind atm is Rand Paul

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I wish I could give you a name...unfortunately I can't. I don't know enough about Rand one way or the other to make an informed opinion.

 

Yes the pro 2nd amendment crew need a front man who can stand up to the political hacks.

The tea party crowd need the same

The middle class need the same

 

Hell, we all need someone who can push for smaller government, spending cuts, fewer government regulations, and how about just enforcing the gun laws they already have instead of always making new ones every time someone needs to try and get re-elected.

 

Maybe if we had a real press corps we could have someone who could do that. But until they 1.) stop drinking the koolaid 2.) stop practicing yellow journalism 3.) do some real investigative reporting into things like fast and furious or any of the other scandals that they can't seem to see...

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Because entrapment is not legal and making laws are the more laws the tighter the web more chances to snag anyone who steps

 

out of line of to crush anyone who the powers that be that move against them because no one can avoid being arrested under

 

or accused or even indicted with so many laws.

 

suppose your family member dies and was a gun aficionado lke most probably had a safe in the back is a magazine if it is a banned

 

mag your in trouble {if some weird ban goes into effect}.

 

Want proof in Europe some antique furniture has hides or secret panels and back when people stashed handguns in them

 

people have found them and went or called the police and have been arrested or fined.

 

possession is the crime it makes no difference how you came into possession some times it is all swept under the rug

 

but not before some money changed hands.

 

If anyone thinks any ban will work Ireland has had the strictest laws against pistols well they are on an Island surrounded

 

by ocean and amazingly they have pistols all over the place even ammo there are even more laws about BOOMS ans chemicals

 

etc well that did not stop anything those that wanted them got them.

 

And in an amazing turn of events the news paper that published all the names of CCW holders has hires ARMED GUARDS

 

what a bunch of Pu@@ies fear has now made them do what they hate and impose their will with guns but like the anti's

 

if they get your guns that is what will happen they will hire guns and because your on file you will be raided searched

 

and scrutinized forever because they do not live and let live or forget and nothing you do will satisfy them that your not holding.

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Sorry 101matt, have to disagree...we don't have leaders now, we have career politicians. There's a difference, and please note, I said leadership...not a shepard to try and herd us along like the rest of the sheeple.

 

I agree...totaly.."Leadership" of a trusting kind...

Being a sheep is the problem also..American as a whole is passive..and when confronted "most" wont do shit.

 

Example..I was purchasing some bag pipe tobbaco..the price was wrong on the bag..(they just had a price increase)and forgot to mark the bag..I said No Im NOT going to pay even .50 more because of "Your mistake"...

Well the owner said that she did not have to sell it to me..

Fine...But it was YOUR MISTAKE and you want me to pay for it!

So you have lost a customer ..and you can eat shit and bark at the moon...

it was a small thing and most would have paid the increase...Not me !!

 

Its the "principal" of the whole thing..We have lost our principals....Giving in to the small things teaches you to "GIVE IN "to the larger things..

 

JMO..

jmo..

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101matt

 

it is not legal to charge more than the posted price as you stated once the error is found they are suppose to sell that customer

 

what they have even up to the stock that is visible and make the appropriate changes AsAP.

 

the customer is not aware if what the store is selling is on sale a factory deal or second so it is up to the vendor to price

 

their product if they fail like I have done in the past I buy the whole shelf I bought a dozen ABU Garcia reels

 

that were mispriced if they threaten to call the law let them hang on to the one that is priced and when the cops come now you

have a witness have him make a report and leave then go to court and snatch a knot in their azz here small claims court is a filing of $27.50 unless you get rowdy or mouthy the police really have no hold on you let the owner get stupid you remain calm

state your claim and then offer to leave and explain that the reason you did not leave is they were called

 

better yet you can take a video with your phone and post it instead of the above scenario business owners need to have their

feet held to the fire as they do the same thing to competitors and wholesalers.

 

that is why many times you go for a sale and there are none the mistake was caught and shelves were emptied and only a few

were sold to cover their azz many times you see in sales papers disclaimers as in 2 per person while supplies last etc...

 

I love giving a tight azz a hard time...

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Yeah Snake, I know...the more crap they throw out there the better their odds of getting you when they want you. I just get pissed about their 'selective' enforcement of any rule or law. They only enforce them when it's convenient or when someone rubs their nose in it. Fast and Furious is a classic example of that mind set.

 

To the best of my knowledge there has not been a single REAL punishment meted out to anyone for that fiasco...it's the same with Bengazi or however you spell that.

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I also want to add to the brilliant points already made that people in this nation are barking up the wrong tree if they think gun control is the answer to solving the violence in our country AKA mass shootings. The problem is that we as a culture celebrate death.

 

Maybe I'm more aware of this stuff being a mom, but do you know it's common for kids' clothing to have cutesy skulls on it? For toddlers? My son ran into a little girl his age on the playground this summer decked out in skulls and crossbones. She was 2!!!

 

There was once a day when skulls were associated with...duh...death...poison...dying...caution...the Nazis in the death camps wore them on their caps, little silver skulls. Now they are fashionable.

 

Lots of people think I overreact, but when you take the sensivity to death away (cartoonize it, make it glorifying on super violent video games, make it "sexy" on TV) - it becomes a monster of a whole new type.

 

I know religion/faith aren't for everyone (respectfully, I disagree with this viewpoint, but that's another topic entirely), but the major societal benefit to religion, and a Judeo-Christian one, is that it CURBS poor behavior, skewed choices, and otherwise unacceptable behaviors are taken out of the mainstream (of course they still exist but in a more subverted place). In addition organized religion promotes the familial unit - which is the most fundamental, support of a society - a healthy society. Back away from religion - a movement away from family life and all the benfits of family provide begin to disappear over time.

 

The greatest assults on religion in this nation have occurred over the past two decades. Interestingly, these are the decades in which pretty much ALL the mass killing shooters grew up and developed. Coincidence? I think not.

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I also want to add to the brilliant points already made that people in this nation are barking up the wrong tree if they think gun control is the answer to solving the violence in our country AKA mass shootings. The problem is that we as a culture celebrate death.

 

Maybe I'm more aware of this stuff being a mom, but do you know it's common for kids' clothing to have cutesy skulls on it? For toddlers? My son ran into a little girl his age on the playground this summer decked out in skulls and crossbones. She was 2!!!

 

There was once a day when skulls were associated with...duh...death...poison...dying...caution...the Nazis in the death camps wore them on their caps, little silver skulls. Now they are fashionable.

 

Lots of people think I overreact, but when you take the sensivity to death away (cartoonize it, make it glorifying on super violent video games, make it "sexy" on TV) - it becomes a monster of a whole new type.

 

I know religion/faith aren't for everyone (respectfully, I disagree with this viewpoint, but that's another topic entirely), but the major societal benefit to religion, and a Judeo-Christian one, is that it CURBS poor behavior, skewed choices, and otherwise unacceptable behaviors are taken out of the mainstream (of course they still exist but in a more subverted place). In addition organized religion promotes the familial unit - which is the most fundamental, support of a society - a healthy society. Back away from religion - a movement away from family life and all the benfits of family provide begin to disappear over time.

 

The greatest assults on religion in this nation have occurred over the past two decades. Interestingly, these are the decades in which pretty much ALL the mass killing shooters grew up and developed. Coincidence? I think not.

 

Believe it or not I thoroughly agree with you.

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MommyL has it exactly right....too bad those idiots who know that this or that kill people rather than accepting the truth ....that people kill people...will continue to push for laws that only the law abiding will follow. The elements of our world whose only interest is to take from others will and they will use what ever tool they want to do so. Be it life, liberty, money, etc. the only defence has always been the individual and their willingness to stand up to the animals maskerading as human beings.

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;) I get irritated at another online forum I frequent for married women from all walks of life including a huge variety of social and political opinions. Sadly, I'm like the sole conservative holding down the fort on the Politics & Current Events Board over there...anyway, as a smirky joke I told them that if I carried, and if I were to shoot at an assalant on one of their behalfs to protect them, I'd want a guarantee from them first that they supported my right to bear arms.

 

It's ridiculous that the honest men and women of this nation need to fear for themselves...in their own homes...against the monstrosity that we call our federal government.

 

As a side note, I don't care for Jim Carrey as an actor, but one scene from his Liar Liar movie pops into mind...

 

He's in his law office and is secretary tells him about a burglar that climbed up on her friend's roof, entered her friend's home via a sky light into her kitchen and upon setting down his hands, cut himself on a kitchen knife. He (the burglar) sued the homeowner (friend of Jim Carrey's character's secretary) for $10k or something and WON! JC's character jokes, "I'd have gotten him $15k!"

 

This is the world we live in where the criminal has more rights. The movies make jokes about it, but it really happens.

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MommyLiberty5013

 

one of the ways to make a serious topic in to non issue is through continuous contorting of the details through comedy

 

The Daily Show with Jon Stewart and the Colbert Report numerous comedians are also pushing the socialist agenda.

 

dope smoking, gay marriage, even heard comments on a one world government and a common monetary system.

 

Christianity has been demagoged so much no one bothers to read it to find out that it is truthful.

 

Isaiah 40:22 it talks about the circle of the earth. At Job 26:7 it talks about the earth hanging upon nothing.

 

I guess theses smart boys glossed over that and the book of Job was written 3,500 years ago.

 

 

they demonized republicans not that they are better or worse but if you keep hammering a nail it will get flush

 

it may be bent all to hell but it won't stick up above the wood itself now that seems OK but you would not want that

 

all over your home {home in this case meaning the U.S.A.}

 

I am not against people doing whatever they want, Hell is a big place and I am sure there is plenty of room as long as they

 

are not a threat to me and mine carry on just do not involve me in their debauchery by asking me to vote for it.

 

every nation goes through this and none have made it out they self destruct we are just doing it in record time

 

looking at Rome we are a similar culture sports and games were absorbing the peoples time they knew more about the

 

names and deeds of gladiators than their own senate sex drinking and clubbing and carnal ways were allowed and even

 

accepted as we look back we see that it is what brought them down.

 

they paid others to fight for and protect them and did not want to get their hands dirty.

 

I do not care for but a few actors I watch old movies so I do not have to watch all this tripe they call entertainment.

 

Talledega nights the ballad of ricky bobby, Will Ferrell goes into a rant about Jesus I want to see this nutless S.@.B.

 

do the same to the muslim deity LOL he is not the only one but it amazes me that they spit in our face and people

 

go to their movies I do not agree with other religions BUT I will not make fun or belittle the people or their beliefs

 

I will make statements on how they act or the inconsistencies of their leaders or rules and laws they impose on their own.

 

It is not being judgmental it is being observant and relating facts if a religion states it is of peace and kills one another

 

and says they want to kill all of 2 nations then the peace rhetoric is not something I am going to accept.

 

your on the money with your post but I am afraid not much can be done when you see a whole room laugh with a person

 

at things that i find not a subject of hilarity or humor Saturday night live was funny then I noticed it changed the old stuff is still

 

funny but the new stuff is not oh here and there but a thread of vile contempt against middle America {normal people}.

 

I don't get it but thats what happened in Nazi Germany at first the comedians made fun of jews and polocks and checz's

 

all derogatory names of their neighbors many of them were gay or socialist and they ended up in the death camps with

 

the people they made fun of.

 

Today a real force against us is the Muslim perspective many feel they are a religion of peace I cannot figure that out

 

but OK and some think that them having their own laws makes sense or if it is voted in it is OK well they are the German

 

comedians in this example once the Muslims gain power they don't "DO" gays and socialists of other groups so they kill them.

 

all these jerks making fun of God and Jesus thinking they are worldly would quickly be shot in the middle eastern society.

 

Christian laws and rule allows them to be stupid and live but they are too ignorant and perverse to see it.

 

the circle of life, yea it's circling the drain IMHO

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MommyLiberty5013

 

one of the ways to make a serious topic in to non issue is through continuous contorting of the details through comedy

 

The Daily Show with Jon Stewart and the Colbert Report numerous comedians are also pushing the socialist agenda.

 

dope smoking, gay marriage, even heard comments on a one world government and a common monetary system.

 

Christianity has been demagoged so much no one bothers to read it to find out that it is truthful.

 

Isaiah 40:22 it talks about the circle of the earth. At Job 26:7 it talks about the earth hanging upon nothing.

 

I guess theses smart boys glossed over that and the book of Job was written 3,500 years ago.

 

 

they demonized republicans not that they are better or worse but if you keep hammering a nail it will get flush

 

it may be bent all to hell but it won't stick up above the wood itself now that seems OK but you would not want that

 

all over your home {home in this case meaning the U.S.A.}

 

I am not against people doing whatever they want, Hell is a big place and I am sure there is plenty of room as long as they

 

are not a threat to me and mine carry on just do not involve me in their debauchery by asking me to vote for it.

 

every nation goes through this and none have made it out they self destruct we are just doing it in record time

 

looking at Rome we are a similar culture sports and games were absorbing the peoples time they knew more about the

 

names and deeds of gladiators than their own senate sex drinking and clubbing and carnal ways were allowed and even

 

accepted as we look back we see that it is what brought them down.

 

they paid others to fight for and protect them and did not want to get their hands dirty.

 

I do not care for but a few actors I watch old movies so I do not have to watch all this tripe they call entertainment.

 

Talledega nights the ballad of ricky bobby, Will Ferrell goes into a rant about Jesus I want to see this nutless S.@.B.

 

do the same to the muslim deity LOL he is not the only one but it amazes me that they spit in our face and people

 

go to their movies I do not agree with other religions BUT I will not make fun or belittle the people or their beliefs

 

I will make statements on how they act or the inconsistencies of their leaders or rules and laws they impose on their own.

 

It is not being judgmental it is being observant and relating facts if a religion states it is of peace and kills one another

 

and says they want to kill all of 2 nations then the peace rhetoric is not something I am going to accept.

 

your on the money with your post but I am afraid not much can be done when you see a whole room laugh with a person

 

at things that i find not a subject of hilarity or humor Saturday night live was funny then I noticed it changed the old stuff is still

 

funny but the new stuff is not oh here and there but a thread of vile contempt against middle America {normal people}.

 

I don't get it but thats what happened in Nazi Germany at first the comedians made fun of jews and polocks and checz's

 

all derogatory names of their neighbors many of them were gay or socialist and they ended up in the death camps with

 

the people they made fun of.

 

Today a real force against us is the Muslim perspective many feel they are a religion of peace I cannot figure that out

 

but OK and some think that them having their own laws makes sense or if it is voted in it is OK well they are the German

 

comedians in this example once the Muslims gain power they don't "DO" gays and socialists of other groups so they kill them.

 

all these jerks making fun of God and Jesus thinking they are worldly would quickly be shot in the middle eastern society.

 

Christian laws and rule allows them to be stupid and live but they are too ignorant and perverse to see it.

 

the circle of life, yea it's circling the drain IMHO

 

Ditto it all, Snake.

 

My church is a large one and we do a lot of discussions/learning about the 10/40 window, which in the missionary field is the space between the 10th and 40th parallels. It is also the space on the earth where most people adhere to the Islamic religion. You may be surprised to know that the fastest growing religion in this 10/40 window is actually Christianity. A few years ago there were maybe 300 (recorded/known) Christians in Iraq...now there are multiple thousands. Same in Afganistan, something like 3 or 5 years ago there were like 8 known Christians there...now there are numbers in the multiples of thousands. China is the same way. Men and women are coming to Christianity in droves some through some pretty amazing conversions.

 

We don't see this in the West as much because many have adopted the "been there done that" view. Judeo-Christian religion is seen as antiquated, unenlightened, and the "opiate of the masses." The church as a body isn't perfect. It has its flaws, some have been pretty heinous. Clearly, its made up of some bad people. However, over the long-term, throughout the centuries, and even now, Christianity has done more good than harm and I cite things like hospitals, churches, schools, and the countless non-profits that provide human aid around the world in numbers that NO OTHER religion comes close to mirroring.

 

I guess I seem pretty ra ra ra about this. The facts are the facts. Plain and simple. Can't argue with those.

 

It pains me that the answers to our problems (like mass shootings) are pretty clear, but there are so many blinded by a refusal to accept truth. Fact is, we can legislate and restrict all we want, but until there are true changes of the heart, our nation will not see any lightening of the violence.

 

I understand your desire to step out and back away from the "fight" so to speak. Why bother? Right? If people don't get it, they don't get it and no amount of arguing or debating will change that. It's truly frustrating. Yeah. We cannot give pearls to swine. But, not everyone out there is a pig, unwillingly to listen or so full of spite. Many are just caught up in the barrage of news media, TV, and pop culture...but deep down inside they are desiring more, something to satiate their true thirst. I think for those folks our patience and involvement is the right answer...all others, wipe the dust from your sandals...

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New york wants to be the first state to pass the newest and strickest gun laws in the country. I have read bill 1422 and it is an evil asault on our rights, they are out right banning anything and everything, even shotgun vented handguards and vertical grips. They are also talking confiscation. These left wing nuts are taking a play out of obamas playbook, never let a good crisis go to waste. These are evil and foul constitution haters and I believe they are the forrunners of things to come in this country.

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Well the nice thing is having a CCW will make it easy to come and get em'

 

one reason why I never bothered no one else needs a card and classes to have a constitutional right hell you do not even have to speak English or be a citizen and they give you all of them except the 2nd one LOL but if they can wrangle a drivers license

they can have that too.

 

I kinda figured it was a trap it took many years to be vindicated but now I can see where all will be on the rolls.

data bases have been turned over etc. so have a great day up their in Yankee land they have hated independent

thinkers and your neighbors will turn you in. just like Nazi Germany they hate you like Hitler hates the Jews.

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bushgirl great first post good to have you on the forum, Welcome.

 

I think our leader made his sentiments very plain when he said, "we how cling to our God and guns" it was a slap

 

he acts like he respects God but then turns around and passes laws that are very decisive and have made people of faith

 

file suites and some of this is going to cost jobs.

 

On the topic of jobs I would like everyone to look on the internet and see how many gun shops reloading equipment companies

 

resellers and optics companies off road vehicles and related firearms industry companies would be effected this is not

 

a small industry in fact it is one hell of a chunk of change and a whole lot of jobs.

 

they do not give a damn about all those thousands of people who work in the companies what about their children going to

 

college their homes vehicles grand children etc this is going to have a very severe effect on our economy but antigunners

 

do not care about the people the industrial might that we will loose and many of these are manufacturing jobs that will

 

never come back and they still do not care.

 

Our government has killed 9,000 for the twin towers we only lost 3,000 this number does not include the horribly injuried.

 

our leader said we need to get out of THEIR business now we are in Libya how many people are we going to kill and of ours killed

 

the more we tarry the more people there hate us if we were never there militarily it was bad enough Iraq should have been a signpost.

 

We were never there in military force yet we were blamed for everything that happened no milk it them damn Americans no bread them damn Americans

 

I did understand WE had to kill Sadam he was paying 5,000 dollars {a large amount of money} for and to any family that "gave up

a son or daughter to the cause {suicide bomber} against Americans and Jews LMAO religion of peace oh I believe it, NOT

He was fostering suicide bombings and actually putting a bounty on us.

any destabilizing leader as that needs to be hunted down but then we WON and then we lost because as Fu@in usual we over stayed our welcome.

We do not hear from the left wing media anymore the bit@hin' from the citizens about no water no phones no power no sewer

I guess they thought we were the utility company and nation building is bullsh*t it has failed every time winning hearts and minds

Total crap for everyone we convert if we ut a dollar amount on it we could have just bought them.

Even that has not worked security forces we pay enough of them have defected and helped to bomb ours and theirs as well as

shoot ours in the back.

 

O have seen a raid at a house of ill repute go off better than this notice how a theft of millions of cash dollars has not been mentioned it was taken off a moving truck this is a great made for TV movie but NOTHING this is nothing but a fu@k fest of

money billions are missing companies are making money the problem is IT"S OUR MONEY remember when Bush said we

would not use their oil money, we did not want to be seen as a money grabber ROTFLMAO we got screwed again.

 

You folks can be upset with this leader but the previous ones have not had our best interests at heart and none of them do now

we need to get out of there and let them kill each other in fact I am not against giving them bullets to do it with.

no band aids or food though.

 

I am sick to death of FOX news Syria Syria Syria who gives a damn about Syria they are the same as the ones we are shooting at now and shooting us it is a bunch of crap let them do as they please if we don't the muslim brotherhood will only come in

and take over after we have done all the heavy lifting and call us the insurgents and the cause of all their ills.

 

Not part of the thread I beg to differ they want to give weapons to murders and woman beaters whom also degrade and

do not allow them to be educated are not paid anywhere near as much as men are also removal of genitalia

The first male child is lord of the manor and even get more to eat if food is short LOL they will give guns and money to them

 

BUT TO HELL WITH YOU AND SANDY VICTIMS this is so funny it hurts we actually stand in line hat in hand and beg for what

is ours and they run over each other bowing and scraping pleading for them to take YOUR money with no repayment LOL.

I am stupified mortified and horrified that NO ONE HAS MENTIONED THIS.

 

All I want to know Is there any intelligent life out there? {had to change it up some were getting upset I was calling Americans stupid} so this is my new statement.

When are Americans going to get so foaming at the mouth mad as hell and do something it must be the fluoride in the water

I am perplexed but hey I got cable TV and the new series of mob wives is coming {like I am going to watch that sh*T}

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IMHO the saddest part about the whole gun/anti-gun debate is that there are actually anti-gun people that think banning guns will stop violent crime. This couldn't be farther from the truth. The United Kingdom has banned almost all firearms (save lever action and over/under or double barrel shotguns, restricted to hunters and farmers only). The UK has a violent crime rate over FIVE TIMES as high as the United States. According to the statistics I have read, their murder rate is lower (less than half of the US rate), however those states only included England and Wales and left out Scotland and Northern Ireland.

 

I have to talk to some of these true-believers at work...quite frustrating indeed. Remember, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun and the ability and willingness to use it.

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