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the difference between 30-06 and .308 are so little as to be of no consequence in fact the are father and son

 

withing a couple hundred feet per second same same with new powders maybe less difference than you imagine.

 

I hate this argument for the same reason what is better syrup or sugar.

 

bore diameter is the same .308 here is a link I remind you that they are talking paper accuracy and much better

 

than 98% of those who shoot can muster.

 

http://riflemansjournal.blogspot.com/2011/04/cartridges-sibling-rivalry-308-vs-30-06.html

 

this states that 308 or 7.62X51 does very well at mid range and 30-06 was ever so slightly better at long range.

 

as we have turned the corner into this new century and commodities are becoming expensive 308 is the norm

 

if your a long time shooter and have brass and dies etc then there is little reason to change and less reason not to shoot 308

 

as all the components are the same except the brass.

 

the world over uses 308 very few use 30-06 and only because they cannot afford newer weapons.

 

the amount of 308 made per year is many times that of any other caliber except 223 so it is a numbers game

 

when the world goes flat what will be around 308 and 223 9MM and 12 ga. why because they are the world standard rounds

 

for military, police and security in most countries if there is a problem companies will be under contract to make military

 

ammo not hunting or specialty ammo so it will not be available only the police state will have it and that is your problem

 

if you have a 270 or 8MM or any other caliber your in competition with every other owner of that caliber putting your self in

 

danger of being entrapped trying to trad or buy ammo that will more than likely be illegal as will the weapon.

 

most ammo can be stripped and reused to make another caliber IF you have the knowledge it is dangerous if you have

 

no clue what your doing.

 

if you want stopping power a 12 gauge slug in a rifled barrel I like sabots take any land animal on this planet

 

1800 pound of impact or a true sabot slug at just over 2,000 pound of energy compared to a 338 lapua is 4000 pounds

 

and that is wonderful but I do not see killing someone at a 1000 yards if we are just going to murder each other

 

there is no defense you snipe someone and then what when you go to get your winnings a punk you did not see

 

with a 22 takes you out each round weights 3 times of a 30-06 so how much ammo can you carry how fast can you shoot and

 

recover to fire again and how many an hour? a minute how many rounds does it hold can you lay down suppression fire

 

can you farm with it slung over your shoulder when you run out of ammo are you going to use it for a fence post or

 

a pry bar.

 

A firearm is useless except in a bluff it's hard to bluff at long range now a barrel shoved between someones ribs may work.

 

Ammo is the blood of a weapon with out it it is dead as you will soon be be as you will be unarmed and at the mercy of an enemy.

 

a large caliber is like picking a bull dozer for a BOV it uses a lot of fuel is slow and leaves you in the kill zone too long

 

getting circled and shot in the back is a reality when you do not have the army you once belong to backing you up

 

and that is fact a group that trains and works together and has eye in the sky intel radio and multiple thousands of

 

dollars of equipment works well now your alone cant see if you had a radio there is no one you can trust on the other end

 

your spotter he needs thousands of dollars of equipment and both of you need to be on watch who's going to get water do work

 

farm feed animals hunt fish cut wood cook eat sh*t all with a 338 lapua or a 50 cal single shot or a Barrett.

 

in a dangerous world a minor injury will kill people therefore who will want to risk getting hurt without a operating hospital

 

pain killers or antibiotics in other words like the civil war.

 

our memories are flawed it took all our military could provide and even with that it may not could get there in time or on target

 

many have died from friendly fire many a person has died from lack of ammo and suffered from lack of food water or not being

 

able to evac out and we had helicopters planes and artillery support for every round of ammo your going to have to sacrifice

 

food water or clothing tents sleeping bags and other needed gear 3 pounds for a box of 20 rounds and a minimum of 90 bucks a box

 

22 long rifle 300 rounds for the same 3 pounds and 21 dollars for the good stuff

 

what part of 5.56 is .224 = 22 caliber if I need power a 12 gauge will handle it, or my 308 it depends on what i have left

 

in ammo and my defense needs at that moment if it is a running gun battle at short ranges pop up targets a shotgun.

 

making a decision now is like buying an airline ticket and planing on how you will react to a crash, unrealistic at best.

 

but no ammo no chance.

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Hunter (Food gathering, Shelter, and Defense)

Bag

• Maxpedition Malaga Gearslinger Backpack

Food & Water

• 2 days’ worth of Mountain house food

• 28oz of water

Clothing

• Under Armour ColdGear Tactical Crew

• Under Armour ColdGear Tactical Leggings

• Warrior Wear Boot Socks

• Ωmega Vest Cross Draw/Pistol Mag

• Warrior Wear Black Ops Boots

• CRG2 Cut Resistant Patrol Gloves w/Spectra

• Blackhawk Shemaugh

• Wiley X CQC Tactical Goggles

• Forsheda A4 Gas Mask

• 40mm NATO Filter

• Water Proof Jacket/Pants

• I.T.S. Hpfu Performance Jacket

• I.T.S. Hpfu Pants

Equipment & Tools

• Maglite ST3D016 3-D Cell LED Flashlight

• Glock Entrenching Tool

• Rothco 550lb. Type III Nylon Paracord

• Black Diamond Positron Quickpack

• Sharpening Stone

• Emergency Mylar Thermal Blankets

• Kodiak Tarps Camo 8' x 10'

• Gun Cleaning Kit

• Waterproof Matches

Weapons

• Ka-Bar Black Kukri Machete

• Buck Knife

• SOG Tigershark 2.0

• Taurus 66

• PTR91

• .308 Winchester Magnum(4 spare clips)

• .357 Magnum(28 spare rounds)

• Simmons 8-Point 3-9x50mm Rifle Scope

• Ghost sights

• BlackHawk Universal Fit Holster

Hygiene

• Straight Razor

• Shaving cream

• Soap

• Wet Wipes

• Insect Repellent

First aid & Health

• Sterile gauze pads

• Ace™-type roll compression bandage

• Latex Gloves

• Surgical masks

• Sewing kit

• Triangle bandage

• Antibacterial soap

 

Scout (Scouting, Defense, and General help)

Bag

• Maxpedition Vulture-II Backpack

Food & Water

• 2 days’ worth of Mountain house food

• 28oz of water

Clothing

• Water Proof Jacket/Pants

• I.T.S. Hpfu Performance Jacket

• I.T.S. Hpfu Pants

• BlackHawk Omega Elite 40mm/Rifle Vest

• Under Armour ColdGear Tactical Crew

• Under Armour ColdGear Tactical Leggings

• Warrior Wear Boot Socks

• Warrior Wear Black Ops Boots

• BlackHawk Python Advanced Light Rappel Gloves

• Blackhawk Shemaugh

• Wiley X CQC Tactical Goggles

• Forsheda A4 Gas Mask

• 40mm NATO Filter

Equipment & Tools

• BlackHawk Tactical Rappelling Harness

• BlackHawk Carabiners

• BlackHawk 550 Cord-100'

• 5.11 Tactical Light for Life Flashlight PC3.300

• Klein Tools 63050 9-1/2-Inch High Leverage Cable Cutter

• Zippos Lighter and Lighter Fluid

• Gun cleaning kit

• Flares

• Sharpening stone

• 3-volt CR123A lithium batteries

• Leatherman 830850 Skeletool CX Multitool

• Binoculars Thermal, Night vision, and Normal

Weapons

• Sig Sauer M400

• .223 Arbor (4 spare clips)

• Beretta 92FS

• 9mm FMJ (4 spare clips)

• Ωmega VI Ultra Holster

• Red Dot Sight

• Ghost Sight

• SOG Tactical Tomahawk

• SOG SEAL Team Knife

Hygiene

• Straight Razor

• Shaving cream

• Soap

• Wet Wipes

• Insect Repellent

First aid & Health

• Sterile gauze pads

• Ace™-type roll compression bandage

• Latex Gloves

• Surgical masks

• Sewing kit

• Triangle bandage

• Antibacterial soap

• Burn Gel

 

 

 

These are the two main gear sets and there jobs.

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PandaSurvivor, I'm assuming that by posting the list you're open to some constructive criticism.

 

You should really consider adding some OTC meds to your list to include but not limited to ibuprofen, loperamide, diphenhydramine, guaifenesin/phenylephrine, acetaminophen, omeprazole if you have acid problems, and a non-drowsy antihistamine of your choice. Also, consider a N95 mask over the surgical face rags. Throw in an ABD pad. They're cheap and have a multitude of uses. Additionally, a cleaning agent such as betadine, alcohol, hydrogen peroxide, or chlorhexidine is needed along with boo boo bandaids. Antibiotic ointment and hydrocortisone cream may serve you well also.

 

Medical junk and flashlights have become a forte of mine over the years as paramedic, registered nurse, and police officer are all on my resume, and if I may - the Maglite can be replaced with something shorter, lighter, brighter, longer lasting. A lot of AA lithium battery lights and CR123a battery lights are brighter, and you can pack a whole lot more batteries in those sizes than you can D's. I prefer the AA lights because the batteries will run off of alkaline cells, and AA batteries are a lot easier to find than CR123's.

 

Being a pistol buff, I'd also trade that Beretta in for a Glock or M&P if you're anti-Glock. Sig and even H&K would be good options, in 9mm, but they're more expensive and unless you're a collector as a hobby you could probably devote the added funds to other areas of preparedness.

 

That SOG Tigershark is spiffy, but you can probably find a better, survival-oriented knife for less money. There's probably better clothing options as well, but those look tacticool for sure.

 

I hope we're still friends after this. Are you in the military?

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Wet wipes are good, but toilet paper is a must have!

A .22 pistol would be a good choice or a take down rifle.

grab 4 or 5 Bics in addition to the Zippo.

A couple of trash bags

Some Zip-loc storage and/or freezer bags for keeping track of small items (storing soap,etc...)

A good crowbar or this: http://www.sears.com/dead-on-annihilator-trade-ultimate-wrecking-bar/p-00937335000P

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Hunter (Food gathering, Shelter, and Defense)

Bag

• Maxpedition Malaga Gearslinger Backpack

Food & Water

• 2 days’ worth of Mountain house food

• 28oz of water

Clothing

• Under Armour ColdGear Tactical Crew

• Under Armour ColdGear Tactical Leggings

• Warrior Wear Boot Socks

• Ωmega Vest Cross Draw/Pistol Mag

• Warrior Wear Black Ops Boots

• CRG2 Cut Resistant Patrol Gloves w/Spectra

• Blackhawk Shemaugh

• Wiley X CQC Tactical Goggles

• Forsheda A4 Gas Mask

• 40mm NATO Filter

• Water Proof Jacket/Pants

• I.T.S. Hpfu Performance Jacket

• I.T.S. Hpfu Pants

Equipment & Tools

• Maglite ST3D016 3-D Cell LED Flashlight

• Glock Entrenching Tool

• Rothco 550lb. Type III Nylon Paracord

• Black Diamond Positron Quickpack

• Sharpening Stone

• Emergency Mylar Thermal Blankets

• Kodiak Tarps Camo 8' x 10'

• Gun Cleaning Kit

• Waterproof Matches

Weapons

• Ka-Bar Black Kukri Machete

• Buck Knife

• SOG Tigershark 2.0

• Taurus 66

• PTR91

• .308 Winchester Magnum(4 spare clips)

• .357 Magnum(28 spare rounds)

• Simmons 8-Point 3-9x50mm Rifle Scope

• Ghost sights

• BlackHawk Universal Fit Holster

Hygiene

• Straight Razor

• Shaving cream

• Soap

• Wet Wipes

• Insect Repellent

First aid & Health

• Sterile gauze pads

• Ace™-type roll compression bandage

• Latex Gloves

• Surgical masks

• Sewing kit

• Triangle bandage

• Antibacterial soap

 

Scout (Scouting, Defense, and General help)

Bag

• Maxpedition Vulture-II Backpack

Food & Water

• 2 days’ worth of Mountain house food

• 28oz of water

Clothing

• Water Proof Jacket/Pants

• I.T.S. Hpfu Performance Jacket

• I.T.S. Hpfu Pants

• BlackHawk Omega Elite 40mm/Rifle Vest

• Under Armour ColdGear Tactical Crew

• Under Armour ColdGear Tactical Leggings

• Warrior Wear Boot Socks

• Warrior Wear Black Ops Boots

• BlackHawk Python Advanced Light Rappel Gloves

• Blackhawk Shemaugh

• Wiley X CQC Tactical Goggles

• Forsheda A4 Gas Mask

• 40mm NATO Filter

Equipment & Tools

• BlackHawk Tactical Rappelling Harness

• BlackHawk Carabiners

• BlackHawk 550 Cord-100'

• 5.11 Tactical Light for Life Flashlight PC3.300

• Klein Tools 63050 9-1/2-Inch High Leverage Cable Cutter

• Zippos Lighter and Lighter Fluid

• Gun cleaning kit

• Flares

• Sharpening stone

• 3-volt CR123A lithium batteries

• Leatherman 830850 Skeletool CX Multitool

• Binoculars Thermal, Night vision, and Normal

Weapons

• Sig Sauer M400

• .223 Arbor (4 spare clips)

• Beretta 92FS

• 9mm FMJ (4 spare clips)

• Ωmega VI Ultra Holster

• Red Dot Sight

• Ghost Sight

• SOG Tactical Tomahawk

• SOG SEAL Team Knife

Hygiene

• Straight Razor

• Shaving cream

• Soap

• Wet Wipes

• Insect Repellent

First aid & Health

• Sterile gauze pads

• Ace™-type roll compression bandage

• Latex Gloves

• Surgical masks

• Sewing kit

• Triangle bandage

• Antibacterial soap

• Burn Gel

 

 

 

These are the two main gear sets and there jobs.

you forgot water filtering devices

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If I am not mistaken, an epi pen is for severe allergic reactions, called anaphylaxis, that can result in death. It has nothing to do with diabetes. If you are an insulin dependent diabetic and have to bug out you will need a significant supply of insulin that doesn't have to be refrigerated. Most insulins come in pens (you need plenty of pen needles as well) and they are good for only two weeks after first used with a pen needle. Depending on the ambient temperature, the protein that is the insulin, will slowly degrade over time and lose its effectiveness.

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I also noticed the Simmons 8pt scope, I wouldn't trust my life to one. You can find Leupold VX-II 3x9 variables used on Ebay or SWFA's sample list for $150-200 that are much better quality. My BOB rifle wears one. A tough 4x fixed power would also be good. I like Leupold, Vortex, or Sightron's mid-range or better scopes for extreme toughness and good clarity.

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If you want a reasonable priced 9mm that is tough as nails the Ruger P series fit the bill. They can be purchased for around $250 used. They are a pretty square blocky handgun but a reasonably accurate and very reliable one. Ruger generally builds everything they make like a tank and these are no exception. I just got a stainless and blued one to add to the collection while they can still be found reasonably priced. I held a Sig P226 for the first time last weekend also, and am watching pretty hard for one now. Probably the best feeling auto pistol I've ever picked up other than a 1911, it seemed to point where I look really well. I like that I can add a 22LR kit that switches out in seconds for it, or pick up a 40 or 357 sig barrel for it also. Having extra barrels gives me options if I come across ammo other than 9mm. I'm going to try to find one in stainless with the rail and short reset trigger. I'm to used to a nice trigger and don't shoot striker fired pistols as well as I do a hammer fired model with a crisp single action trigger option. The Glocks, M&P's, XD's, and all are great reliable pistols, I just don't shoot them as well with their longer trigger pulls.

 

I think the Rugers I picked up will be used as spare guns. The beat-up blued one isn't pretty or real valuable so it might get put in the GHB. The nicer stainless one has tritnium sights and I think it will go to my girlfriend. I got my sister a Ruger 9mm also for her college graduation so we have several of the same guns and magazines floating around.

 

I'm still a revolver fan and probably always will be. I shoot them well with a good trigger and they feel really good to me. For your use though it might be worth trying to move to a single caliber handgun so ammo can be shared throughout your party. The Taurus 357 is a great gun, but it adds one more round you need to carry that doesn't appear to fit anything else. I helped a friend move last weekend who is one of the few people who would be using my ranch as a BOL if it ever becomes necessary to leave town. Everyone else in the group has a Ruger or Sig 9mm so I may change our BOB's to match. Around the ranch though I'll be sticking with my revolvers, and taking them along on any trip by vehicle.

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