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Forget the mental health approach and do not give to it it is junk science diagnosis is 98% treatment is

a sliding scale of success depending on who you talk to a friend and I were talking about this and his brother is a nutball

with extra peanuts they see him for 15 minutes and even if he is in the middle of a stellar point about to make a breakthrough

{if that were actually possible} they shut it off and NEXT this is what he said to me of a recent appointment.

 

A friend has some Issues but has the same problems with the system they wait longer than the use of what they receive

they constantly change the medications either due to their side effects or it might be they get some benefit from the drug makers I have no clue it is a problem as the person taking the meds goes through a funk or hyper phase then getting their meds

if they run out it is a pain as some require a visit if they are not {right} they fear or loathe a visit and avoid it.

 

they end up in the nut hut for a stay to get them back on the wagon only problem is some people do things while not on meds

that are embarrassing, inappropriate or criminal and have to face it later or live with the memory so drugs alcohol and self abuse attempted suicide are part of the mash pit of their lives including living through their friends and people they know dying

and many get cancer and other problems because they are taken advantage of in their days of turmoil.

 

there will always be events like this unless we are all in a prison where we can be watched 24/7 oh wait that does not work either, crap on a cracker I guess there is nothing that can be done, YES there is it is called do unto others, love your neighbor.

many of these incidents are brought on by ill felling over time it is horrible but some need to be institutionalized because they

are irredeemable and cannot be fixed or drugged without constant supervision.

It is not an American concept that we cannot fix things but then we have trash dumps and wrecking / scrap yards

and that is where some of the disconnect lies we have this fear that we may throw away something valuable

or it could be they are human and we do not want to treat them with disrespect but then there are the caretakers that are injured killed or infected dealing with them.

 

prisons have become a home for some of these unfortunates and asylums are gone now they call them state hospitals

well tomato tomatoe it is still an asylum still has the rapes murders and all the other wild things going on inside it is just kept

from view and the state is reluctant to spend money on these folks because there is a total loss factor the best they can get

is their social security and that is pennies versus the cost of keeping them and while medicated they may have some relief

but any event they become introverted or wild and uncontrollable and or murderous.

 

In theory it is a grand idea to treat people with dignity not so easy if they are pissing on you or trying to kill you or doing

wall art with feces or throwing it on you and you have to clean it up or they will not eat they must be force fed and spew anything as some problem with texture or fear of being poisoned or who knows they are CrAZy.

 

people can go off the beam over night they can gradually loose it and then walk the streets talking to themselves

does that mean they are dangerous well until they harm someone the old innocent until proven guilty thing

and you do not want to PROVE your sanity that is the slippery slope you never want to take a ride on.

If your even considering that as a option forget it it is a non starter then you would be considered guilty until proven innocent

I am sure the boys on the hill would just love for you to swallow that hook line and sinker {remember never let a good crisis go to waste quote} it was not made in jest they mean it they know as well as we do you cannot mitigate something that has yet to happen but they can strip your rights and inflate their powers to entrap you why do you tink we have 40,000+ pages of

tax law, if they cannot get you one way they have many others.

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Well, my 2 cents isn't worth a flip but again I'm going to blame the news media. There's to much news! If it's a breaking story they fill in the blanks with

their imagination instead/speculation of facts. 98% of the population is going to watch news. This comment below was "supposedly" made by a very intuitive film star and I agree with what was said

or whoever said it.:::

 

The remark floating around online that was said to have stated the following, "You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why. It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single victim of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody."

Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations*, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next. You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem."

 

 

Well said desert rat.......................don't give them the fame....................

And if guns kill people I would have never made it out alive from the gunshow this weekend.

Israel had it right, arm and train the teachers and watch the years go by uneventful.

On health issues....................find a cure for bipolar and you'd probably clear half the jail cells.

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Well said desert rat.......................don't give them the fame....................

And if guns kill people I would have never made it out alive from the gunshow this weekend.

Israel had it right, arm and train the teachers and watch the years go by uneventful.

On health issues....................find a cure for bipolar and you'd probably clear half the jail cells.

 

 

Well, that's exactly what I'm saying t2940. We never hear of an armed robbery or mass killing at a gun show now do we? lmao

Make it mandatory that every U.S. citizen own, learn how to use and store a gun.

 

Yet they think if there are no guns there'll be no killing. BS!! Someone in China killed a bunch with a fricking knife or sword.

 

It's a gosh darned mental imbalance! Again, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

 

Look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010%E2%80%932011)

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wow desert rat, that link was good. I had no idea how many there were in China with knives and swords

I'd almost believe that's where the knives and swords originated at least firecrackers. lol

 

Well, accross the top it said stabbings, cleaver, [i assume meat cleaver] and hammers. They believe all these disturbing events are being caused by

rapid social change. hmmm mental illness?

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Well, that's exactly what I'm saying t2940. We never hear of an armed robbery or mass killing at a gun show now do we? lmao

Make it mandatory that every U.S. citizen own, learn how to use and store a gun.

 

Yet they think if there are no guns there'll be no killing. BS!! Someone in China killed a bunch with a fricking knife or sword.

 

It's a gosh darned mental imbalance! Again, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

 

Look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010%E2%80%932011)

 

Ithink it's Sweden where every male between the ages of like 18 and 45 are the army,have an issued gun and ammo in their home-and the country has almost no violent crime. Wouldn't you think twice about breaking in to someones home if you knew they had a gun and knew how to use it?

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OK ... one step at a time. I do NOT want the federal government involved in mental health care - any place where the government can determine my sanity can determine that opposition to that government is a mental illness. Just ask Stalin, et. al. I also note that prior to the 1960's this kind of crap didn't happen. Schools were NOT "gun free, safe zones" (AKA target RICH environments) nor was the teaching of morality, ethics, good citizenship and a respect for God, women, men, elders and yourself forbidden. We were NEVER taught we were entitled to be free of criticism, conflict, discipline, or responsibility for ourselves. Places like Israel where all adults in a school are armed have not seen a mass attack since the terrorist murders that caused such a policy to be put in place.

We have destroyed the moral fiber of at least half of our people and now we are reaping the benefits of our action. This is not a problem that can be solved by the government. It can only be solved in the homes, schools and churches of America. What worries me is the federal response; how about if we put a squad of TSA agents in every school in America? Not only will that make the kids safe (to learn to become little socialist sock puppets) but it will greatly increase the number of armed federal agents. Not that I'm paranoid but when I hear Holder saying that now is the time to "brainwash" Americans to give up our freedoms I can only conclude that it is not in the interest of the government to actually fix the problem. They have not really taken time to look at all possible problems, they only look at the convenient solution that furthers their agenda. While yelling at 'knee jerk' reactions from gun owners they refuse to "let a good crises go to waste" to use their words.

I do not pay attention to any of the "Pravda" reports nor do I care what Sheila Jackson Lee or Chis Matthews think or have to say. We have very successfully deadened the feelings of our children until they are willing to do anything just to FEEL something, anything. Until we are willing to look at the culture that enables such evil (yes evil, NOT sick, misunderstood, troubled or otherwise mistreated - this action was EVIL) there is no hope that we can resolve the issues that threaten not just our children's lives but our very integrity as a nation.

I'll have nothing further to say on this for now. There is too much pain to let the politicians and Pravda control the thoughts of real people.

Just my not so humble opinion.

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OK ... one step at a time. I do NOT want the federal government involved in mental health care - any place where the government can determine my sanity can determine that opposition to that government is a mental illness. Just ask Stalin, et. al. I also note that prior to the 1960's this kind of crap didn't happen. Schools were NOT "gun free, safe zones" (AKA target RICH environments) nor was the teaching of morality, ethics, good citizenship and a respect for God, women, men, elders and yourself forbidden. We were NEVER taught we were entitled to be free of criticism, conflict, discipline, or responsibility for ourselves. Places like Israel where all adults in a school are armed have not seen a mass attack since the terrorist murders that caused such a policy to be put in place.

We have destroyed the moral fiber of at least half of our people and now we are reaping the benefits of our action. This is not a problem that can be solved by the government. It can only be solved in the homes, schools and churches of America. What worries me is the federal response; how about if we put a squad of TSA agents in every school in America? Not only will that make the kids safe (to learn to become little socialist sock puppets) but it will greatly increase the number of armed federal agents. Not that I'm paranoid but when I hear Holder saying that now is the time to "brainwash" Americans to give up our freedoms I can only conclude that it is not in the interest of the government to actually fix the problem. They have not really taken time to look at all possible problems, they only look at the convenient solution that furthers their agenda. While yelling at 'knee jerk' reactions from gun owners they refuse to "let a good crises go to waste" to use their words.

I do not pay attention to any of the "Pravda" reports nor do I care what Sheila Jackson Lee or Chis Matthews think or have to say. We have very successfully deadened the feelings of our children until they are willing to do anything just to FEEL something, anything. Until we are willing to look at the culture that enables such evil (yes evil, NOT sick, misunderstood, troubled or otherwise mistreated - this action was EVIL) there is no hope that we can resolve the issues that threaten not just our children's lives but our very integrity as a nation.

I'll have nothing further to say on this for now. There is too much pain to let the politicians and Pravda control the thoughts of real people.

Just my not so humble opinion.

 

Ummm what he said! Lmao. As always perfectly written and right I the money.

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Until we are willing to look at the culture that enables such evil (yes evil, NOT sick, misunderstood, troubled or otherwise mistreated - this action was EVIL) there is no hope that we can resolve the issues that threaten not just our children's lives but our very integrity as a nation.

 

Oh I agree with all of what you said Capt. 100% The general upbringing of childern has suffered over the years. Punishment of children growing up has gone by the wayside. You can't spank a child around here with out having

social services on you. [i've no need of doing that anymore and haven't for years.] To instill some moral fiber back into the population begins with the way we're raised. The scocial values/morals aren't there anymore. The old

saying, "spare the rod, spoil the child" has a meaning. To do wrong with no ramifications? Then we get older and then what?

 

That old saying came from the book of Proverbs:

 

Proverbs 23:13, 14 - Do not withhold correction from a child, For if you beat him with a rod, he will not die. You shall beat him with a rod, And deliver his soul from hell.

 

Proverbs 22:15 - Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child; The rod of correction will drive it far from him.

 

Proverbs 29:15 - The rod and rebuke give wisdom, But a child left to himself brings shame to his mother

 

My mom and dad loved me enough to take a belt, a switch, or their hand to my butt when I didn't do what I was told. It's not much of a guidance system when you're put in time out, grounded or have a cell phone removed from you.

I'd get my arse blistered for doing something I was told not to do. IE; Son! Put down my pocket knife, you'll have one someday. Of course next thing I'd have it open and get my butt fanned good. Next time he told me to put it down,

I put it down! I'd get my butt wore out and go off crying saying, dads mad at me. I'd get this talk: I didn't spank you because I'm mad, I spanked you because I LOVE YOU and you didn't do what I asked you to do "twice".

It's a learning process. From the womb to the tomb. By no means am I perfect, no one is. I'm an ornery old curmudgeon but I stand on my Christian belief and teaching of the Bible. This way of life is being disolved slowly in the U.S.

 

The system has removed GOD from prayer in schools, you can't say the Pledge of Allegience because of the phrase for "one nation under GOD". I remember when I was in school we even began the day with the Lords Prayer in grade school,

that was a long, long time ago. That doesn't happen because it's offensive to the children and their parents, gimme a break..If it's offensive to mention GOD and Jesus Christ, then I'm just offensive! Where's "In GOD we trust"? This nation was

founded on GOD, Freedom, and Equality. The system has the FREEDOM to do as they wish? Open free trade so our jobs go overseas so there's EQUALITY worldwide? No mention of GOD in schools. Now we reap what has been sewn.

 

The more GOD is being removed from our daily lives/life, there's only room left for EVILS presence.......

 

This also is my, not so humble opinion.

 

peace,

 

dr

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It's not the lack of God that causes these things to happen.

While we are talking about preserving freedom, let's talk about freedom of religion.

How the hell is letting kids not say 'one nation, under god' a bad thing?

You guys act like if you don't have faith in God, you are an evil person.. WTF?!

 

This isn't God's fault, or the lack of God's fault... what a cop out

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It's not the lack of God that causes these things to happen.

While we are talking about preserving freedom, let's talk about freedom of religion.

How the hell is letting kids not say 'one nation, under god' a bad thing?

You guys act like if you don't have faith in God, you are an evil person.. WTF?!

 

This isn't God's fault, or the lack of God's fault... what a cop out

 

It is NOT a cop out, but a fact that when we had the Pledge and Prayer wasn't outlawed (but WAS voluntary), we didn't have these actions. The removal of God from our lives has been replaced with the viewpoint that the person is most important, regardless of others. Freedom of Religion is just as much the reason so many of us have fought, been broken and bled for this Nation.

 

Do you have an opinion on what has caused the multitude of evil we witness everyday now? Evil has always been present, but never as prevalent as now. Mankind is an inherrently evil species and the presence of God has always been the shield that has kept that seed from taking root and sprouting. I see that the lack of the presence of God, has allowed the seed to not only germinate but grow with abandon as no barrier is in place to slow it's growth.

 

So you're being an atheist is your choice, but can you tell us why evil has become so prevalent in modern times?

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Good post reg5....................I'm not a medical professional but for the last 20 years i've seen a huge jump in "bipolar". Now, is that because it was there but not publicized as much? Or is it a growing very large concern? I know there is evil in the world so I don't have blinders on but these "evil" perps all seem to exercise the same traits.

As far as the latest disaster I'm still playing the "arm the teachers" card.

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Sir_Vive, first off, I totally understand your perspective about people using God as a cop out. In your mind, it is a cop out. But in the belief system of millions, kicking God to the curb was a victory for evil.

 

Many, including me, believe that society and our socialist government kicked God to the curb. They kicked hit out of schools and totally out of the public domain. And, in the case of public schools, the void God’s leaving left behind was filled by evil. Now you can call that evilness the Devil or Sam. The label evil is given makes no difference. Evil is evil, plain and simple.

 

Freedom of religion is not how the Constitution is written. The First Amendment discusses religion this way:

 

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

 

So in reality, when the government kicked the mention of God out of the public square, they really supported the practice of one religion… Atheism. Yes, Atheism is a religion. It’s a religion devoid of any kind or mention of god. Sadly, most Atheists are too pig headed to admit that fact.

 

I don’t believe that you are an evil person because you have no faith. In my opinion, you can believe what you want to believe. I will never try to force you to believe as I do. I believe that faith is an ‘inside job’ and there is nothing I can say to sway you from your belief. Sadly, those of us with faith are normally verbally harangued, criticized and lectured to about how stupid we are. We normally read words like this:

 

“You guys act like if you don't have faith in God, you are an evil person.. WTF?This isn't God's fault, or the lack of God's fault... what a cop out”

 

But don’t worry, we are used to the religious bigotry from others. It happens all the time.

 

Yours in Liberty!

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Going back and reading the post through, God is not blamed at all, but the lack of faith or guiding principles and, If I am reading the text right. It is not the Christian faith or God or the God of the Isrealites and their faith but of faith in right and wrong and principles by whatever name that diety or more simply a personaly held belief goes by, but a diety or internal faith that gives that accountability and focus of right and wrong, or more simply a conscience. as far as that goes I am noticing an increase of supposition, misrepresentation, Opinions based on crap someone elses spouted and holding it as fact, crap without one iota of fact or research for whats real on this forum this is a good way to show you are a fool opinions are great and arguable when backed by fact and personal experience but when your lacking either of the above your simply spouting SH*t and it shows very clearly. So does misreading others post and either intentionally or unintentionally changing it meaning. I suggest we all go back and reread each others words carefully.

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It is NOT a cop out, but a fact that when we had the Pledge and Prayer wasn't outlawed (but WAS voluntary), we didn't have these actions. The removal of God from our lives has been replaced with the viewpoint that the person is most important, regardless of others. Freedom of Religion is just as much the reason so many of us have fought, been broken and bled for this Nation.

 

Do you have an opinion on what has caused the multitude of evil we witness everyday now? Evil has always been present, but never as prevalent as now. Mankind is an inherrently evil species and the presence of God has always been the shield that has kept that seed from taking root and sprouting. I see that the lack of the presence of God, has allowed the seed to not only germinate but grow with abandon as no barrier is in place to slow it's growth.

 

So you're being an atheist is your choice, but can you tell us why evil has become so prevalent in modern times?

 

Well I do consider myself to be agnostic, as I don't see enough proof of existence for a tri-omni Judeo-Christian God, or enough proof to disprove God's existence. But, I do study arguments for both sides religiously (pun intended)

Also, I see mass religion as a way to control society (through guilt) as a means to keep society civilized. I see the need for religion in that aspect. And I without a doubt, believe that there are some people out there that NEED and SHOULD have faith in a supreme power. The idea of God does indeed save some people, but is not the only means of being moral and happy..

 

So here's a question for you, since you said it yourself, evil is prevalent right now in the world, everywhere, that's undeniable and any reasonable person can recognize this.

How does evil even exist in light of God?

 

If God knows about this evil, and won't stop it, God isn't as morally good as you think. If God knows about it, but CAN'T do anything about it, God isn't all powerful, lastly, if God just plain out doesn't notice the evil, God does not know everything.

 

But, evil still exists, so either God isn't all knowing, all powerful, or all knowing. Or he never existed.

It's an old argument, but there you go.

 

 

So assuming that God never existed and evil has always been around, but is getting worse now, perhaps I can shed some light on things that are influencing evil acts today, yesterday, and tomorrow.

Modern video games, modern movies, role models acting out (celebs), the music industry promoting gangs and violence, the increase in people born with mental disabilities, the increase in psychology and doctors diagnosing EVERYONE with something, the idea that there has to be something wrong with YOU, in terms of mental health. Hell it could even be the sodium fluoride, and other known toxins they treat tap water with, human studies show there are numerous health issues associated with this stuff. [1] Maybe it's the highly poisonous aspartame in most of our sodas, cereals, and other store-shelf foods that are causing moral compasses, as a society to re-wire, or to self destruct entirely.

 

The human spirit is a powerful thing.

 

The following is a solution for evil and God co-existing at the same time. Perhaps this can answer your question.

 

God created us to spread his love, and He is only worthy of the best kind of love, love that is chosen freely not forced. God knew this, so during the creation of all of us, God HAD to give us freewill to receive the best type of love, love by personal choice. So, perhaps evil is just a misuse of the human free-will God lovingly gave us. Perhaps evil is spawned from a lack of God. I don't think there's enough evidence on either side.

 

In summary, I don't feel that it's safe to say that the lack of God causes this evil. But rather, I look at what we can know for sure which is these evil acts are promoted in all media outlets in society as we know it, and that these messages spread like fire.

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Well I do consider myself to be agnostic, as I don't see enough proof of existence for a tri-omni Judeo-Christian God, or enough proof to disprove God's existence. But, I do study arguments for both sides religiously (pun intended)

Also, I see mass religion as a way to control society (through guilt) as a means to keep society civilized. I see the need for religion in that aspect. And I without a doubt, believe that there are some people out there that NEED and SHOULD have faith in a supreme power. The idea of God does indeed save some people, but is not the only means of being moral and happy..

 

So here's a question for you, since you said it yourself, evil is prevalent right now in the world, everywhere, that's undeniable and any reasonable person can recognize this.

How does evil even exist in light of God?

 

If God knows about this evil, and won't stop it, God isn't as morally good as you think. If God knows about it, but CAN'T do anything about it, God isn't all powerful, lastly, if God just plain out doesn't notice the evil, God does not know everything.

 

But, evil still exists, so either God isn't all knowing, all powerful, or all knowing. Or he never existed.

It's an old argument, but there you go.

 

 

So assuming that God never existed and evil has always been around, but is getting worse now, perhaps I can shed some light on things that are influencing evil acts today, yesterday, and tomorrow.

Modern video games, modern movies, role models acting out (celebs), the music industry promoting gangs and violence, the increase in people born with mental disabilities, the increase in psychology and doctors diagnosing EVERYONE with something, the idea that there has to be something wrong with YOU, in terms of mental health. Hell it could even be the sodium fluoride, and other known toxins they treat tap water with, human studies show there are numerous health issues associated with this stuff. [1] Maybe it's the highly poisonous aspartame in most of our sodas, cereals, and other store-shelf foods that are causing moral compasses, as a society to re-wire, or to self destruct entirely.

 

The human spirit is a powerful thing.

 

The following is a solution for evil and God co-existing at the same time. Perhaps this can answer your question.

 

God created us to spread his love, and He is only worthy of the best kind of love, love that is chosen freely not forced. God knew this, so during the creation of all of us, God HAD to give us freewill to receive the best type of love, love by personal choice. So, perhaps evil is just a misuse of the human free-will God lovingly gave us. Perhaps evil is spawned from a lack of God. I don't think there's enough evidence on either side.

 

In summary, I don't feel that it's safe to say that the lack of God causes this evil. But rather, I look at what we can know for sure which is these evil acts are promoted in all media outlets in society as we know it, and that these messages spread like fire.

"So, perhaps evil is just a misuse of the human free-will God lovingly gave us." thats the ticket freewill and that freewill is offset by Gods justice at the end of time. we all must come before God and answer for the freewill and what we did with it. and never forget satan is in this creation to and has his own plans for "freewill".

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