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Interesting idea....house in a hill

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So I really don't take this seriously, but it got me to thinking. If you had the land, money, and resources, you could actually make something like this work. I mean, its pretty much completely camouflaged. You couldn't see it from the air and unless you stumbled upon it by accident, you wouldn't be looking for it. A few shrubs around the windows and door while out and about and you'd NEVER find it. Only cost the guy like $6k to build, so it wouldn't break the bank. Just thought it was kinda neat.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/want-to-see-the-human-sized-hobbit-house-that-costs-less-than-5000-to-build/

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The problem with a soddie dugout http://www.motherearthnews.com/Modern-Homesteading/1970-09-01/The-Frontier-Dugout.aspx is just that - there is no back door. A prairie wildfire could trap you inside and you are literally cooked. Reasonably safe from tornadoes and if you've selected the proper hill face cool in the summer and warm in the winter. Air flow would be tough without cross ventilation I would think.

I'm a tad paranoid about cul-de-sac areas so I'd want an escape tunnel. Even prairie dogs have back doors for when the predator comes knocking at the front. Still, in the right terrain it might work. As far as aerial surveillance goes, I suspect these designs give off enough heat to be visible in the IR if someone wanted to find you.

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The problem with a soddie dugout http://www.motherearthnews.com/Modern-Homesteading/1970-09-01/The-Frontier-Dugout.aspx is just that - there is no back door. A prairie wildfire could trap you inside and you are literally cooked. Reasonably safe from tornadoes and if you've selected the proper hill face cool in the summer and warm in the winter. Air flow would be tough without cross ventilation I would think.

I'm a tad paranoid about cul-de-sac areas so I'd want an escape tunnel. Even prairie dogs have back doors for when the predator comes knocking at the front. Still, in the right terrain it might work. As far as aerial surveillance goes, I suspect these designs give off enough heat to be visible in the IR if someone wanted to find you.

Yep, that's exactly right. By no means is it perfect, just neat. As far as aerial surveillance yea, I don't think it would block enough heat to completely shield you.

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To my mind, this is perilously close to turning turtle. Burrowing in and pulling the hole in after you as the Morlocs did in H.G.Wells 'Time Machine'.

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I guess I'm a tad paranoid but I pay close attention to what I see as "little steps". I learned as an accident investigator that almost all crashes come about as a series of "little steps". The dug out has real advantages but if it is safe, wouldn't being in deeper be safer and so on until the Morlocks are here and they are us.

I was always uncomfortable that Wells' Morlocks WERE the survivalist.

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Living in something like that would make me feel like some kind of burrowing animal. LOL. Guess if it's the only thing available though....

 

I was thinking more along the lines of Willow or those guys in Lord of the Rings.

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I like the concept for its off the grid applications. A few changes like a back door would improve safety. In a survival situation this might make a good observation post but not a good bug in retreat.

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One real advantage of the underground home is that it does not freeze in the winter and food doesn't get hot enough to spoil in summer so a BOL with in ground home/storage can be left alone stocked for long periods year round. I have seen many interesting designs from simple/cheap to ther is a guy around Here who used a cave. http://inhabitat.com/gorgeous-modern-home-is-built-inside-a-cave/ There are many variance that can be done.

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Don,

I am not against underground/bunker locations. The thing about bunkers for LONG TERM living is that you have to be very careful about what you design; the capabilities for living, for active defense and for escape as well as just the passive defensive role. Most bunkers I've seen are of the fallout/blast shelter type that are definitely NOT designed for active defense or long term use as a dwelling.

 

The Hobbit houses of J.R.R. Tolkien fame sound like very pleasant places to live and could be made defensible. The missile silo apartments, for example, only allow for active defense after the bunker is penetrated. To defend otherwise requires the occupants to be outside the bunker.

 

There are advantages, you listed some of them, and disadvantages. I wouldn't mind having a modified "Hobbit House" but I think I'd rather have a stone house, under an overhang, backed up to a cave with a difficult exit, miles from the main house. This plan occurred in several of Louis L'Amour's books; I liked it for a number of reasons but since I don't have such a place, I'll take a Hobbit house. Oh, wait, I don't have one of those either so it seems I'm stuck with a Bug In here in suburbia. Drat!

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In my understanding consider having the cupboard over your fridge developed strong with detachable categories for cooking dishes and biscuit linens.Now this recommendation is totally a matter of personal choice on my part, but I LOVE extra strong storage for cookware instead of it being only reduced units. They have stored me so much back splitting searching for things.

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The problem with a soddie dugout http://www.motherearthnews.com/Modern-Homesteading/1970-09-01/The-Frontier-Dugout.aspx is just that - there is no back door. A prairie wildfire could trap you inside and you are literally cooked. Reasonably safe from tornadoes and if you've selected the proper hill face cool in the summer and warm in the winter. Air flow would be tough without cross ventilation I would think.

I'm a tad paranoid about cul-de-sac areas so I'd want an escape tunnel. Even prairie dogs have back doors for when the predator comes knocking at the front. Still, in the right terrain it might work. As far as aerial surveillance goes, I suspect these designs give off enough heat to be visible in the IR if someone wanted to find you.

I don't know many people with helicopters/planes that will be flying around during SHTF. Just saying...

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