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First I want to say I do not dispute any other scenario or idea of how December 2012 will play out.


My thoughts lean toward a future date, why you ask well I think all the governments will hang on as long as they can because the

option is to go flat broke loose face and worse be blamed and then they would have to hide in fear of their lives.


IMHO i think we will go into a financial depression war is always a possibility but let us keep it simple financial crashes

cause high unemployment and forced evictions it has happened in the U.S. and people lived out of their vehicles or wagons.


The grapes of wrath: a black and white movie is a good look at the reality of financial collapse.

We crawled out of that one we can probable climb out of another one BUT that took from 1929 to 1946 before we saw daylight

For all those without a sharp pencil it is 17 years and it was not until the 1950's where we were the idol of the world.

A normal bankruptcy for an individual is 7 years and it takes some years to rebuild credit it is no different on a global scale.


The purpose for this post, to ask you to stand firm in your resolve to prepare and to not to think that it cannot happen at a much

later date even if it is not as many predict a local event can place you in the same situation as those folks in New jersey.

Homeless without food money and nowhere to go I do not see FEMA trailers for these displaced people,

I personally think the large response to the Rita event was a partial way to bolster the economy, now in our debt you have noticed a muted response because they do not have 500 million to throw at the problem this will only become more apparent as time goes on.

those who are not prepared will be on their own after a disaster I see where in the near future no response other than local will happen.

The power company here were virtually on the verge of bankruptcy { so they sad} and may not be able to afford to repair all the

damaged infrastructure.

If a chain of disasters strike a region this could the death knell for the Insurance and utility companies in an area the government

can step in but we see how they run the governments money and how complicated they make things.


So I choose to be my own protector just in case the government or local entities cannot help.

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I also expect it to be an economic collapse within the three to five year range. Don't remember where I read/watched the article, they were talking about the world debt at that time was so large that no single country could pay it off.

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Great post Snake. I agree that it wont be something that happens right away. Im hoping theres still time to prepare since Ive only been at this for just over a year. Also I think the country will rebound but not for a long time and prob with a lot less people. The thing that worries me is the people that lived through the Depression were better prepared for it. Most people nowadays have never planted their own food or had to kill and butcher an animal. Thats why I keep telling my wife that its important to gain as much info and experience as possible. Im going to keep plugging along as long as I can

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I'm hoping you're right; getting introduced to this process so recently means I'm way behind if things go bad faster. I am really hoping to boost several skill sets, mainly gardening and food storage/canning etc, over the next few months as we move toward spring and the growing season. So much to do, so very little time. Money helps, but can't really replace time.

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JMO..Prepping is a Life style..We as American's lost most of it because of 5th AVE.selling us "EASY"stuff to survive..

well it Not going to be easy anymore so better adapt and get use to it.


Example=I bought the Berkley water filters,just the filters,2 food grade buckets from Wally world.Watched how it should be done on U tube,put it togeather..Started to catch rain water/filter twice through towels/pour in top bucket wait to filter..


Before I went to Sam's and got the Faucet hook up and just filtered it.90buck a year and does nothing more than filter the taste!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So I do as much bucket swapping as I can during the rain..and strain when I need the water!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It takes time...and a constant PLANNING...But I now have a filter system that does to .0003 micr.6000 galon rated..for (109.00,filters2dollars buckets) and some work..


This is just an example of getting use to being INDEPENDENT!!!!

Oh my neighbor said "Thats a lot of work!"my answer..How thirsty are you???????????????????????



Same goes for your FOOD/Garden............start Planning NOW..............100 day's and you can start to put out plants..

How hungry are you going to be??????????????

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Just had to add- part of this whole 2012 thing is Hopi tradition,and if it goes the way they're predictin' all our preppin is for nothing-end of the world period not EOTWAWK. Wife is Hopi&I live on their rez. just sayn

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Just had to add- part of this whole 2012 thing is Hopi tradition,and if it goes the way they're predictin' all our preppin is for nothing-end of the world period not EOTWAWK. Wife is Hopi&I live on their rez. just sayn
i thought it was the mayans what did the hopi predict?

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Walley,they're say'n the end of everything by water or fire. Strange thing is that their time line matches the myans. Everyone here's using it as an excuse to get drunker than Hopis are like the original preppers,and they dont even know how to get ready for this.

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if anybody thinks it all over on the 21st and has any land, firearms, precious metals or just cash they want to give away before the downfall ill gladly hold onto it for you :)


If you get too much of that stuff wardog, I would be happy to help you out. :o

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if anybody thinks it all over on the 21st and has any land, firearms, precious metals or just cash they want to give away before the downfall ill gladly hold onto it for you :)


Im trust worthley..pass some this way..Realy I will hold it for you!!

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I don't know but if and when it hits the fan i've pictured myself without survival gear and with. I didn't like the picture of standing there with nothing and wondering where to go next.

I'll learn from you all as I go through here. One thing I do know is i'm now the water guy. I love a bunch of products but Just Water was for me where I can scoop and go. Sawyer is cool too and so's Berkey. I just found a wholesale price and bought a ton so now I sell and use the funds to pay for the other things you will teach me that I need. If it happened tomorrow my front bedroom would have a value like fort knox of course my weapon for protection.

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If it's gotta happen,I'm hopin for a smaller scale varsion of the Hopi's by water thing-been quite a while since Iwent swimmin',or fishin';just no place to do either in this high




haha, i know the feeling

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I don't know but if and when it hits the fan i've pictured myself without survival gear and with. I didn't like the picture of standing there with nothing and wondering where to go next.


That is a terrifying dream, especially for a husband or a father. A very good reason to be prepared; I'm a control freak and HATE the idea of depending on someone else for my family's survival.

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I got a V.A. appointment maybe it's not for the whole world jut for me LMAO..... JK


As Capt Bart states if your the father, protector, or in the capacity that requires you are the one everybody is going to look to

when things are in doubt they are in pain or suffering and they look to you for guidance and help.

If you can look another person in the eye and tell them you don't care enough about those that love you to risk that "look"

I tried to imagine how the Jewish fathers felt when after all they had seen and the warnings chose to stay in Germany

and watch their mothers, fathers, wifes, and children be brutalized and murdered by wicked men and watch evil roll over

their world as they were being systematically exterminated gassed hung with wire to slowly strangle to death or being stripped

naked forced to kneel and be shot like an animal, in an attempt to wipe your family from the face of the earth.


IF you cannot imagine that then consider the earth quakes that hit Las Angles Alaska in the 50's the recent storms

in the east tornadoes do a web search for honk kong flu or tornadoes destroys town I guess September 11th 2001

was just another day, what about Oklahoma city,how about the explosion in Texas city, the black blizzards of the dust bowl.

wild fires have killed people and destroyed homes all through the west, hurricanes floods and an aging infrastructure

dams breaking bridges falling companies being plundered like Enron, Tyco, Lehman brothers so your company is rock solid

like Hostess LMAO run out and look for a Twinkie I guess your immune form the world insulated untouchable.


Ignorance kills we do not control the weather disease or how long our loved ones will live, or what they will die from.

I do not know the future but I know it is subject to change in the blink of an eye in months or years

There was a moment in my life that every one close to me were dead friends family it happens every day to someone.

It will never happen / to me is the cry of an immature individual whistling in the dark walking past a grave yard.

You will never have to work never get married never bury someone you love or never be unemployed, never get divorced

never go broke, never have children and the final never is you will never die.


A lot of words, and I am hoping one will prick your conscience and move you to consider to count on yourself to

take action, if the words I have used do not move you then, remove the jack and spare from your vehicle they only take up space.

save the money that it takes to buy batteries for your smoke detector don't look both ways trust the lights at the intersection

do not double check that you paid your utility bills or insurance and do not bother to wear green on St. Patrick's day

because your the lucky one.

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17 years of the Great Depression? It would have been less if it wasn't for FDR's disastrous new deal. The market needs to self correct, and reckless monetary and fiscal policy is what gets us into these messes. As long as the government has its hands in things, the government will create problems, and even more abhorrently the solutions xD

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