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So wife and I went camping this weekend. Our plans were kinda hosed up, so we only had my pack instead of both. Fortunately, I had packed both of our packs with alot of the same gear as a precaution for SHTF.

 

We get to the campground after dark. Its Cold and windy, kinda sprinkling rain. Takes about 35minutes to get camp setup and a fire lite. THe fire was a real B*

 

THe caretaker of the campground, some poor old man, (does a really good job btw) also sells firewood there at the camp. SO i buy a bundle. It has been raining here quite a bit for the past week. THe wood wasnt soaked or visibly wet, but wasnt covered or anything.

Plenty of leaves and small dry tinder on the ground to get a fire started, but the logs just wouldnt catch. I had to baby the fire all night just to keeo it going. My wife eventually... somehow... found some much drier bigger stuff to help catch the damp logs.

 

Once the fire took on a life of its own, I took another look around the camp to see how many other fires there were. I could only count 4, out of roughly 30camp sites. Walking back up the trail towards the parking lot, goes straight passed the caretakers little pop-up. There was a whole crowd of people just on the other side of his camper, huddled around HIS fire.

 

Now, relate this little observation to what we speculate alot on here for SHTF. If I , or the caretaker, or any of the other people that managed to start our own fire, had something these people wanted or needed during SHTF, we would REALLY be outnumbered.

 

THose who CANT, seriously outnumber those who CAN.

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Navyvet, I wish I could talk my wife into doing something like that, just to see how she handles it. Before we met, we each had spent ALOT of time in the great outdoors, but nowadays we're too busy. Sounds like it was alot of fun, to me anyway.

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I have a cheap but very good inclement weather or no fail fire starter for you, most of you have added a little wax to an egg carton as a good cheap fire starter instead fill each of the cups with HARDWOOD shavings or even better hardwood pellets and shake gently to settle the shavings or pellets than fill with parafin wax to the top of the cup allow the wax to cool after it does add more wax to cover any shaving or pellets allow to cool a final time flip the carton over and fill the peaks for lite duty fire starters cut off the peaks than cut out each cup. Each cup burns for about 25 mins and will light wet kindling up to an inch and a half, after the flames die off it leaves a small bed of coals that are easily restoked I have never had one of them fail to start a good solid fire and since the rain has returned to Washington state after 80 days its good weather to prove these fire starters I will make a video of them start to finish. In addition to your fire starters for your fire prep I also recommend taking a 3ft long 1/8 inch steel rod sharpened on one end the sharpened end bent into a 1.5 inch hook similar to one of the old metal tent stakes. This makes a good fire poker, a way to snag steaks off of cooking stones, hang cook meats, lift lids off of pots, and a way to lift pots and pans out of the cooking fire, and also acts as a meat hook in skinning and butchering game. My grandfather taught me that little trick years ago and I've never been without one since. They're cheap, light, easy to carry, works well with dutch ovens and minimalist camping once you have one you'll start to wonder how you ever lived without it.

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Something I've had good luck with is cotton balls covered with petroleum jelly. Tease out a few strands of the cotton, light them and the thing will burn even floating in a cup of water. I carry an ALTOIDS can with several of them in it as a cheat for fire starting.

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Capt so if you take you observation a little farther.....you can use a good big roaring fire to cover your retreat as these steeple will not pass up your "gift" to go looking further, and maybe this has just a case of a good teaching moment, if a few of those gathering around the fire learned a little maybe they will be able to make their own next time.

 

 

Also I am getting overwhelmed by requests from my kids to camp in these cooler nights they , including my 4 year old say that they don't care if it raining they just wanna go go go. We love this time of year for camping and last year we had a little situation in which we went to a secluded campsite on the last weekend of fall turkey season, dropped a few of our things on the picnic table and went on a hike. When we returned someone had set up a tent on our site. We were a little upset at first but quickly after talking to the camper and taking of kids aside and talking to them we decided to share of site, our fire and our evening with a guy who it turns out camps in that site every year to black powder hunt and a father himself, but be very clear he and I had a quick discussion over the heads of the heads of the kids that basically constututed me waiting for an opportunity in yhe conversation and saying" it really is sad how you have to worry about your kids safety these days" and letting the handle of the Smith and Wesson in my shoulder rig drop out of my jacket, to which he chuckle and said " OOOH I hear ya papa bear" we had a great night and my kids have mentioned the experience many times.

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I have a cheap but very good inclement weather or no fail fire starter for you, most of you have added a little wax to an egg carton as a good cheap fire starter instead fill each of the cups with HARDWOOD shavings or even better hardwood pellets and shake gently to settle the shavings or pellets than fill with parafin wax to the top of the cup allow the wax to cool after it does add more wax to cover any shaving or pellets allow to cool a final time flip the carton over and fill the peaks for lite duty fire starters cut off the peaks than cut out each cup. Each cup burns for about 25 mins and will light wet kindling up to an inch and a half, after the flames die off it leaves a small bed of coals that are easily restoked...

 

These work SO well! We used to make them in Girl Scouts. It's a great use for remnants of candles, too, and you can add dryer lint to the wood shavings for extra oomph.

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Also I am getting overwhelmed by requests from my kids to camp in these cooler nights they , including my 4 year old say that they don't care if it raining they just wanna go go go...but be very clear he and I had a quick discussion over the heads of the heads of the kids that basically constituted me waiting for an opportunity in the conversation and saying" it really is sad how you have to worry about your kids safety these days" and letting the handle of the Smith and Wesson in my shoulder rig drop out of my jacket, to which he chuckle and said " OOOH I hear ya papa bear" we had a great night and my kids have mentioned the experience many times.

 

DonDon, it's great that you not only have your kids thinking of camping as something that can be fun in any weather (and it CAN - it's nice not having to deal with crowds like you do when it's sunny and warm), but you also have these great memories with them. What I like is that you both made the point that the stranger would be dealt with if need be, but you also let it go enough once the point was made to obviously enjoy your time after. (Not that I think you stopped being vigilant once he saw your S&W, just that you are able to not be utterly paranoid.) Hope that you have lots of happy camping ahead for you and the kids!

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Let me set something straight here. I had no trouble getting a flame and starting a fire (Leaves/Twigs/etc.) THe problem was trying to get the damp logs to catch. I had my 'cheater tinder' with me, but didnt need it. It only took 1 match to lite the bundle of dry weeds and twigs.

 

As for maintaining a variety of tinder. Ive started collecting the cardboard cores of toiletpaper and coating with Vasoline. Im thinking the duration of the Vasoline flame should be plenty to catch the cardboard. And the cardboard burning would give a hotter flame than cotton... making success more likely. Keeping themn all together in a ziploc. I havent tested this yet.

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I don't have to worry about the plastic being punctured or the vasaline getting on my gear also the duration of the flame easily starts larger kindling while drying out larger logs to where I have never had a problem getting them going well even in the rain as OC can attest but my favorite feature is in extreme conditions it can be used as a warming fire by itself I have done this after I fell into a creek in January they temps were in the teens and the creek edges were iced, I was too cold to gather any fire wood so I lit that firestarter warmed my hands and legs than ran and grabbed some some branches to break up and burn so I could dry my clothing if I didn't have those few minute of instant solid warm fire I probably would have at the very least ended up in the hospital most likely being up in the mountains in January with no one around... well I lived and learned my lesson and I am better for it. Vasaline cotton is good for planned campfires that have available dry tinder I have no qualms with it like my fire steel, flint and char cloth but wet and freezing I wouldn't have had time for all that I am positive of that, my hands were barely working by the time I got out of the creek and up the bank and I wasn't taking my time it could not have been more than a minute or two that kind of cold hurts even to this day when they get cold my hands and fingers hurt just like that day and that was 25 years ago it reminds me of my own stupidity and what kept me going. Ever since I always have a couple with me in my truck my coat and ACU Goretex pockets my BOB has 10 I have stored boxes of them two dozen in my caches I even have two in my briefcase. Hard lessons I guess sitting there trying to warm up thinking about it mede me realize anything short of fast warm and long lasting and i would have at least lost my fingers probably my toes or most likely more.

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Warrior,

 

See.. thats what im talking about. You had those tinders, and had that situation you needed fire RIGHT NOW'. This is also my thinking, that these tinders, being in limited quantity, shouldnt be used unless no other option is available. And Not as a first option cheat.

 

And obviously, GoodJob with the quick thinkin... or u may not be here with us.

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Well done 7 !! Very well done! I have and keep access to the Esbit fuel cubes. They 're said to burn

at 1400 degrees. I keep them in my BOBs and GHBs and truck box. I figure if at any time I need a fire

and need it quickly one or two of those cubes will do the trick. I also keep pieces of a duraflame log

in freezer bags and small dry bags to aid in fire starting. One of those logs will produce pounds of tinder and

allow for it to be broken up and re-distributed into many different bags. Along with having in the neighbor of

two dozen or so magnesium fire starters stored, you'd think I was a piromaniac. :)

 

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LMAO at NavyVet.....

Let me set something straight here.

I had no doubt you had a fire N.V. But that was funny.......jus saying

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Warrior,

 

See.. thats what im talking about. You had those tinders, and had that situation you needed fire RIGHT NOW'. This is also my thinking, that these tinders, being in limited quantity, shouldnt be used unless no other option is available. And Not as a first option cheat.

 

And obviously, GoodJob with the quick thinkin... or u may not be here with us.

 

I wasn't thinking That was part of what I thought about hudled under my wool pack blanket waiting for my clothes too dry. You see I am not the one who packed it my Grandfather did, my grandparents raised me from 11 on. This happened when I was 13 and full of myself. I knew better than he did when he told me to pack it I told him I didn't need it or the waterproof matches I had just learned how to use flint and steel in Boy Scouts I don't think I need to say more some time before I left he slipped them in that brilliant old Outdoorsman put them right on top so when I opened the cover flap they were right there. I STARTED my attitude adjustment then and there and after a couple of more lessons at my Pappa's school of hard lessons that same year I changed my way of thinking and how I treated the greatest resource's of my life I miss them both, Grams left last year Pappa 4 years ago, I never told them how much... (Jeez this twenty year Vet and hard NCO is starting to Cry.) How much they taught me or how much I appreciated it. I found out at his funeral that he would tell everyone that of his seven kids he knew he didn't have to worry about me.

 

I haven't forgotten Pappa and Grams and I never will. Sorry if you think I am Sappy but they deserve it more they I can ever express.

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My son and I have been taking the grandsons out camping.As a boy, our son HATED camping, now he likes it-he does insist that HIS sons learn to start fires without matches, using homemade fire starters, and other tinder we've put in the waterproof "tinder box". The four year old likes to try, so fa he has managed to get some good sparks, the 10, 8 and 6 year old have done flint and steel as well as magnesium shavings with flint and steel. Little pyros like to "practice" in their back yard as well.

They "think" it's fun, I call it lifesaving.

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i didnt mention this before. But while on this lil cap outing, wifey cook up some steak+Veggy kabobs on hotdog pokers over the fire. The steak (Sirloin) was just awsome and juicey. Now she looks at steaks cook at home and frowns. "Its just not the same"

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