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Quinoa (pronounced keenwa) is probably one of the best high nutritional value to low weight ratio foods out there. In 100 grams you get 64g carbs, 52g starch, 7g fiber, 6g fat, and 14g protein. Its also a Complete Protein. Basically its a super food. I carry a 32oz Nalgene bottle filled with it in my BOB. I prefer the pre washed kind as the unwashed variety tastes bitter to me, but thats a personal preference.

 

Quinoa, uncooked

Nutritional value per 100*g (3.5*oz)

Energy 1,539*kJ (368*kcal)

Carbohydrates 64 g

- Starch 52 g

- Dietary fibre 7 g

Fat 6 g

- polyunsaturated 3.3 g

Protein 14 g

- Tryptophan 0.167 g

- Threonine 0.421 g

- Isoleucine 0.504 g

- Leucine 0.840 g

- Lysine 0.766 g

- Methionine 0.309 g

- Cystine 0.203 g

- Phenylalanine 0.593 g

- Tyrosine 0.267 g

- Valine 0.594 g

- Arginine 1.091 g

- Histidine 0.407 g

- Alanine 0.588 g

- Aspartic acid 1.134 g

- Glutamic acid 1.865 g

- Glycine 0.694 g

- Proline 0.773 g

- Serine 0.567 g

Water 13 g

Thiamine (vit. B1) 0.36 mg (31%)

Riboflavin (vit. B2) 0.32 mg (27%)

Vitamin B6 0.5 mg (38%)

Folate (vit. B9) 184 μg (46%)

Iron 4.6 mg (35%)

Magnesium 197 mg (55%)

Phosphorus 457 mg (65%)

Potassium 563 mg (12%)

Zinc 3.1 mg (33%)

Percentages are relative to

US recommendations for adults.

Source: USDA Nutrient Database

 

From wiki pretty damn good stuff I'll have to look in the availability around here!

 

That account for over 98% of the weight! Wow!!!

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To Change the subject again, here's a concept I came up with for a nice survival pack.

 

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Snugpak Rocket Pack - http://www.amazon.com/Snugpak-Rocket-System-Three-In-One-Adjustable/dp/B005BN4TUI/ref=lh_ni_t

Or ILBE USMC Assault Pack - http://www.amazon.com/USMC-DIGITAL-MARPAT-ARCTERYX-BACKPACK/dp/B006NH5B80/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1350025852&sr=1-2&keywords=ILBE+USMC+Assault+Pack

 

 

w/ Sealine ILBE Dry Bag regardless - http://www.amazon.com/ILBE-Sack-56L-Assault-Retail/dp/B002PW8SN2/ref=sr_1_10?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1350025852&sr=1-10&keywords=ILBE+USMC+Assault+Pack

 

 

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Weekender Medical Pack - https://www.forgesurvivalsupply.com/my-cart/emergency-medical-kits/weekender-medical-kit/69-222.html?redirected=1

 

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Snugpak Scorpion 2 Man Tent -http://www.ebay.com/itm/Snugpak-Scorpion-2-Man-Two-Berth-Olive-Tent-/221075640941?pt=UK_SportsLeisure_HikingCamping_Tents_JN&hash=item337922926d

 

Snugpak Jungle Bag - http://www.snugpak.com/index.php?MenuID=93-101&ItemID=71

 

Emergency Mylar Blankets - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FWAX00?ie=UTF8&tag=survcach-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B000FWAX00

 

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(2) Gobspark Armageddon Fire Steel magnesium Fire starters - http://firesteel.com/gobspark-armageddon-firesteel/

 

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Aquamira Water Purification Tablets - http://www.amazon.com/McNett-Aquamira-Tablets/dp/B002789OR8/ref=pd_luc_sbs_02_02_t_lh

 

(2) Seychelle Advanced Water Purification Straws - http://www.amazon.com/Seychelle-Water-Filtration-Pure-Straw-Straw-Advanced/dp/B003U4PQ84/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1350058747&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=seychelle+water+straw

 

(2) Platypus 1 litre Water Bags - https://forgesurvivalsupply.com/component/virtuemart/emergency-water-bottles/platypus-plus-bottle-1.0l/84-294.html?redirected=1

 

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An unknown ammount of Mainstays Rations - http://www.amazon.com/Mainstay-Emergency-Food-Rations-Calorie/dp/B000QZ3CWC/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1350058917&sr=1-2&keywords=Mainstay+rations

+ A couple chocolate bars

 

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Leatherman - http://www.midwayusa.com/product/761768?cm_mmc=Froogle-_-Knives%20%26%20Tools%20-%20Tools%20%26%20Multi-Tools-_-PriceCompListing-_-761768&gclid=CI-T3szy-7ICFYeDQgodJSoAmw

 

SRK Cold Steel Knife - http://www.coldsteel.com/srk.html (already have one :D)

 

(2) Chainmate 48 inch Pocket Chain Saws - http://www.amazon.com/Chainmate-48-Inch-Survival-Pocket-Chain/dp/B002IYDUIK/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1350059518&sr=8-3&keywords=SaberCut+Saw

 

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Thanks to Josh of Survival Cache for his post on the better BoB here : http://www.survivalcache.com/forums/showthread.php?451-Survival-Cache-Presents-Building-Better-Bug-Out-Bags

 

This is intended to just be the basics. What do you think?

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To Change the subject again, here's a concept I came up with for a nice survival pack.

 

_______________________________________________________________

 

 

Snugpak Rocket Pack - http://www.amazon.com/Snugpak-Rocket-System-Three-In-One-Adjustable/dp/B005BN4TUI/ref=lh_ni_t

Or ILBE USMC Assault Pack - http://www.amazon.com/USMC-DIGITAL-MARPAT-ARCTERYX-BACKPACK/dp/B006NH5B80/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1350025852&sr=1-2&keywords=ILBE+USMC+Assault+Pack

 

 

w/ Sealine ILBE Dry Bag regardless - http://www.amazon.com/ILBE-Sack-56L-Assault-Retail/dp/B002PW8SN2/ref=sr_1_10?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1350025852&sr=1-10&keywords=ILBE+USMC+Assault+Pack

 

 

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Weekender Medical Pack - https://www.forgesurvivalsupply.com/my-cart/emergency-medical-kits/weekender-medical-kit/69-222.html?redirected=1

 

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Snugpak Scorpion 2 Man Tent -http://www.ebay.com/itm/Snugpak-Scorpion-2-Man-Two-Berth-Olive-Tent-/221075640941?pt=UK_SportsLeisure_HikingCamping_Tents_JN&hash=item337922926d

 

Snugpak Jungle Bag - http://www.snugpak.com/index.php?MenuID=93-101&ItemID=71

 

Emergency Mylar Blankets - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FWAX00?ie=UTF8&tag=survcach-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B000FWAX00

 

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(2) Gobspark Armageddon Fire Steel magnesium Fire starters - http://firesteel.com/gobspark-armageddon-firesteel/

 

_______________________________________________________________

 

Aquamira Water Purification Tablets - http://www.amazon.com/McNett-Aquamira-Tablets/dp/B002789OR8/ref=pd_luc_sbs_02_02_t_lh

 

(2) Seychelle Advanced Water Purification Straws - http://www.amazon.com/Seychelle-Water-Filtration-Pure-Straw-Straw-Advanced/dp/B003U4PQ84/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1350058747&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=seychelle+water+straw

 

(2) Platypus 1 litre Water Bags - https://forgesurvivalsupply.com/component/virtuemart/emergency-water-bottles/platypus-plus-bottle-1.0l/84-294.html?redirected=1

 

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An unknown ammount of Mainstays Rations - http://www.amazon.com/Mainstay-Emergency-Food-Rations-Calorie/dp/B000QZ3CWC/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1350058917&sr=1-2&keywords=Mainstay+rations

+ A couple chocolate bars

 

_______________________________________________________________

 

Leatherman - http://www.midwayusa.com/product/761768?cm_mmc=Froogle-_-Knives%20%26%20Tools%20-%20Tools%20%26%20Multi-Tools-_-PriceCompListing-_-761768&gclid=CI-T3szy-7ICFYeDQgodJSoAmw

 

SRK Cold Steel Knife - http://www.coldsteel.com/srk.html (already have one :D)

 

(2) Chainmate 48 inch Pocket Chain Saws - http://www.amazon.com/Chainmate-48-Inch-Survival-Pocket-Chain/dp/B002IYDUIK/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1350059518&sr=8-3&keywords=SaberCut+Saw

 

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Thanks to Josh of Survival Cache for his post on the better BoB here : http://www.survivalcache.com/forums/showthread.php?451-Survival-Cache-Presents-Building-Better-Bug-Out-Bags

 

This is intended to just be the basics. What do you think?

 

Sir_Vive, That's a decent start but I have a few suggestions...

 

Have you checked shipping weight for all items? Also, I would have a hatchet to split wood and act as a hammer in camp over the pocket chainsaw. I have a few of the hand operated chainsaws, but something heavy duty is needed with multi use options. I would also get a sleeping pad.. Ground is cold and it will drain the heat right out of you. Most sleeping bags are insulated on top and not between you and the ground so much. Not sure where you live, but getting into the low 30s here now at night. Also, add a magnesium fire block to go with the Gobspark. Get a stainless water bottle even if using the platypus bags. The bags get holes and the bottle will handle rough handling much better. I didn't see a mess kit of any kind either.

Also, get a field guide on edible plants, medical plants, mushrooms, survival guide, animal tracks, etc. I'm not sure if you're hiking in, but make it a learning experience. Have a plan and set some goals for what you want to accomplish during your foray. I'd also add some hanks of paracord as you never know when you'll need cordage. Not knowing your location, check local laws, but can you hunt/fish/trap while out there? A pack full of consumables and not having the right gear to provide for yourself isn't a survival bag; it's just a backpack to go camping at best and a "prolonging" bag in a true survival situation, IMO. You don't need a fishing rod, a sapling will make an excellent cane pole, but carry some line, hooks, sinkers and whatever other terminal tackle you use.

 

Tools and gear need to be looked at with a "business" mentality and their ROI (Return On Investment) must be positive. Another advantage with a hatchet, you can skin game or gut a fish with one if kept sharp (which I didn't see a sharpening stone in the above list). I recommend the Smith Sharpening systems personally, but whatever you like and keeps your edged tools with a clean, sharp edge.

 

Bradford Angiere's (spelling) Field Guide to Edible Plants is great and has color photos.

I do not know your personal skills and what your goals are, so just made general comments. I think you have picked some good stuff and it's the beginning of a long road. The longer the road, the more gear and items you will acquire and exchange as your situation changes, gear and tools advance, or during your trials, you find a particular item doesn't work for you (I've traded off more gear than I can remember).

Thanks for posting your kit building ideas.

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Thanks for the nice response, sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you.

I have many questions...

 

Have you checked shipping weight for all items?

I have not checked the shipping weights of the items, what is a good weight for a total pack?

And would I want a frame backpack with waist straps? (I'm still trying to find the perfect water proof, spacious, and weight distributed pack) Suggestions?

 

Also, I would have a hatchet to split wood and act as a hammer in camp over the pocket chainsaw.

I've been searching for a hatchet/hammer combo instead of the pocket chainsaw like you said, do you know of any good ones?

 

I would also get a sleeping pad..

As for a sleeping pad, I figured I could just use emergency blankets to put underneath me, I feel like that would be a lighter solution to a bulky sleeping pad. Thoughts?

 

Get a stainless water bottle

Brands?

 

Thanks again

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Sir_Vive,

The weight depends on your condition and ability. There are some really good recommendations by People who backpack frequently (awake is a great source of info on this). I personally am working to keep mine under 40#s for a complete kit, as injuries and my age are now working against me. I recommend a frame pack and that is a decision in and of itself. I prefer an internal frame but an external frame can be turned into a pack frame with the pack removed to carry harvested game out. Check out some of the hunting packs offered at Cabelas, Bass Pro, local shop for ideas. Also, REI.com is a great resource for backpacking packs. I was told about Kelty's Red Cloud and will probably get 1 for my new pack. I would say definitely yes on the sternum straps and even the waist belt, altho if using military style web/MOLLE gear with a pistol belt, it may be cumbersome.

If you want a light weight water resistant bag for inside your pack, you can even check the military surplus ones. I use gallon ziplock bags for tee shirts, socks and underwear to keep them dry. The really nice maritime drybags are nice, but check weight.

As for a hatchet, you can try the Rifleman Tomahawk from Cold Steel, but I would also recommend the hatchet from Council Tools. It's just a belt axe, American made (NC I think), and has a solid reputation. There are other tool companies, Estwing for one, that offers a good hatchet that has a solid poll for use as a camp hammer.

I don't think the emergancy blankets are sturdy enough for use as a ground cloth. They have the "foil" backed pads that fold up and are light but somewhat bulky or air mattresses that can also double to float your gear across a water hazard but weigh more and require you to spend time inflating them. The air pads are usually more expensive as well. Again, REI is a great resource to compare the different types for pricing, weight, etc.

I was told about GSI watter bottles and mess kits. I really liked the looks of the GSI gear and the price was good. They even have a cup that is designed to go over the bottom of the 1 liter water bottle like the military canteen and canteen cup combo.

The biggest thing to remember, you have to pick gear that fits YOU. What works for me in the Midwest may not be feasible for you in your enviroment. Alot of the others have already expressed this already but spend the money for quality gear and buy what works and will last. No point in buying cheap to be replacing it after a couple months of use or have it fail when you need it most. The most expensive is not necessarily the best, so read alot of reviews and compare several.

Ask any other questions and I am positive someone here will have an invaluable answer for you. PM if nothing else and not wanting to post in open forum.

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Here is my list. I added a couple more items and increased the weight to 50lbs. The numbers to the side of the item is the weight in ounces copied from my Excel program. The weight includes my rifle, but not my side-arm or holster. It includes a 4 season, wood heated shelter in the Kifaru Paratarp with annex and stove, but doesn't have a sleeping pad or mosquito netting which I need to change. I'd plan on wearing some plain colored clothing along with my Meindl hunting boots when leaving so I'd have a "gray" option plus the camoflage in my pack. My carbine will fit completely in the scabbard on the Eberlestock, and can be concealed, or with the bottom of the scabbard folded and strapped up the butt sticks out for easy access. My girlfriends bag I'll post next, it covers some items I had to leave out of mine.

 

Eberlestock J34 pack 110

Military Poncho 10.1

Snugpack jungle bag 29

Kifaru Paratarp w/ annex 13.4

10 aluminum pegs in 1 gal ziplock 5.5

Kifaru Parastove & pipe 40

green wool military gloves 1.9

Russel APXG2 black base layer shirt (windproof fleece) 15.3

Sitka Core camo base layer bottom 9.7

Lorpen Merino wool hunter med wt socks (2pr) 6.4

Sitka Ascent 4 way stretch camo hunting pants 20

Medalist black base layer bottom 6.9

Cabelas sitka imitation boxer briefs (2pr) 10.6

Patagonia capilene 1 baselayer 7.1

Camo neoprene gaiters 13

Realtree Gore-tex synthetic fleece technical camo jacket 32

Eberlestock rain cover 5

black wool military watch cap 2.3

CLOTHING SHELTER TOTAL

Frontier Water filter straw 0.7

Katadyn Hiker Pro water filter 14.1

Source 3L water bladder 3.5

R3 Stainless water bottle 5.6

Pathfinder school 32oz bottle & 25oz nesting pot, spoon fork 13.3

Mountain house 2 serving meal (2) 10

Oatmeal packets 1.4oz each x 6 8.4

Tea bags x 10 1.2

Spare lighter 1.1

Potable Aqua tablets x 10 0.4

Cliff Bars 2.6oz each x 6 15

COOKING, FOOD, WATER PURIFICATION

Gransfers Brukks Small Forest Axe & sheath 34.7

Esee 6 knife and sheath 15

Leatherman Wave multi-tool 8.5

Rapala 4" fillet knife 2.3

TOOLS TOTAL

Remington 7615 with Leupold scope, loaded 10rd mag 134

Loaded 20rd magazine (55gr BH factory SP loads) 10.6

Loaded 20rd magazine (60gr Nosler PT BH factory loads) 11

Loaded 20rd magazine (55gr BH factory SP loads) 10.6

gallon ziplock with 100rds loose 223 ammo 39.3

Ruger Blackhawk convertible revolver

leather holster

gallon ziplock with box of 50 357 mag 158gr JHP loads 30.5

Otis cleaning kit & 7615 open sights with leupold torx wrench 10

FIREARMS TOTAL

Fire kit (firesteels, lighters, matches, surefire, vaseline cotton) 7.2

Paracord 200ft 12.7

Bankline cord 1 roll 262lb test 3.9

Okuma Avenger spare spool w/65lb power pro braided line 3.2

Fishing kit (jigs,spinners, 200 assorted hooks, swivels) 9

Repair needles & superglue 0.4

Sonic Gernades 1.2oz each x 3 3.6

Big shemagagh bandana 6.5

Military compass 1.1

Maps 5

sharpening stone & kit 7.2

LED headlamp with white/red LED's, lithium batteries 2.1

 

trapping kit 21.2

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My girlfriends bag. It is designed to be lighter weight, less important for our survival, and carry the expendable or shorter term items. I'd like to add her a different high quality lightweight jacket & pants. Also maybe a larger stainless cookpot to replace the smaller ones in her kit. As always, it's a work in progress. Now her extra clothing is bulkier and heavier than I'd like so it is in the truck box instead of her bag and she'd have to share what I pack. Once we got down the road and used up out mountain house and other foods we'd need to re-distribute the loads. Anyway, here is where it's at right now, and weighs 33.4lbs.

 

Coglan tube tent 16

hooded space blanket 11.6

Thermal gloves 4.2

windproof fleece baclava 2.5

Rocky expedition wt thermal underwear 8.8

military expedition wt thermal top 11.5

Lorpen wool hiking socks (2pr) 6.7

Mountain house meals (6) 36

esbit stove +15 fuel tabs 11.1

eton solar/dynamo/batt flashlight radio 20

Ruger 10-22 w/ 2-7 scope 2 10rd 2 25rd clips 104

750 rounds 22lr 90

4 point fish gig head 4.4

1 spool 380lb trotline cord 4.2

50ft paracord 2.1

ziplock of dryer lint 1.6

large magnifying glass 2.3

lighter & firesteel 0.5

swiss champ knife 6.5

SOG seal pup & sheath 8.5

4oz pump bottle of 100% deet spray 5.5

1 roll vet wrap 1.2

1" roll gorilla tape 4

Eberlestock X1A1 pack w/ 3L water bladder 90

Military poncho liner & poncho 23

stainless steel water bottle (32oz) 8

16 Aquamira water purification tabs 0.5

Coleman 32oz pot & lid/bowl 8.8

Cabelas Dry plus pull-over

Denim camo pants

S&W Model 60 5 shot 357 revolver

leather holster

4 speed loaders w/ ammo

 

What are we missing?

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added clothing

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Good idea, I had dental items & camp soap in her bag stuffed down in the cooking kit and forgot to list them. They are included in the weight of the Coleman cooking kit. As for deoderant, I sure enjoy using it under normal circumstances and want everyone else to also, but I don't think there will be any way to avoid smelling bad where I'd be taking my bag. We have 2 light sources, one re-chargeable by sun or cranking, and my headlamp. I figured I'd only get so much use out of it with the lithium batteries anyway. The truck box has more lights, rechargable batteries, and a solar charger for AAA to D batteries. I have everything set up to take AA batteries to keep things simple and common.

 

The Jungle bag is nice. It's light but really warm for the weight in a synthetic bag. It had been enough for me on some nights by the river with a cold wind off the water and temps in the 40's under my Paratarp. It dries really quick if it does get wet also. Like any bag it's best stored un-compressed to keep it from losing loft and therefore insulation. Mine hangs over the coatrack in the closet I keep my bag in with a compression sack tied to it. I could grab it and have it stored in a minute, or just grab it and compress it later. I have an ultralight bivy sack I can put it in also to add warmth, plus the poncho or extra clothing.

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I think I'll pick one up for sure then, I was worried about it being able to keep the warmth in, but I might as well get it for the size, fits in one hand when compressed right?

 

Also, I didn't see any sort of first aid in there

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I think I'll pick one up for sure then, I was worried about it being able to keep the warmth in, but I might as well get it for the size, fits in one hand when compressed right?

 

Also, I didn't see any sort of first aid in there

 

Good call, I moved it to my hunting daypack this fall for an out of state trip and haven't put it back. I need to do that, thanks.

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Eberlestocks are great heavy duty packs. My favorite is the J34, but the LoDrag and X1A1 are also nice depending on what size you need and cheaper. The tactical packs mostly have a really wide scabbard that will take an AR-10 with a 20rd clip I think. That is nice if you pack a really wide gun, but it makes for a noisy and loose fit if you pack a slimmer hunting rifle or shotgun. There are buckles to narrow the scabbard, but that slows removal of the rifle. It would be worth getting your hands on the packs at Cabelas or somewhere, or talking to S&S archery about what pack is right for you. The guy from S&S does the videos on Eberlestock's site and is real famiiar with them all.

 

The J34 opens up to haul more gear and still compacts real tight and quiet which is why I like it so much. If I need to pack meat, or other bulky supplies I can do so pretty comfortable with this pack.

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Definitely like what I see with the J34. I've never had a pack with the back support and waist straps, are they as nice as I like to think they are? Also, is it standard for them to be waterproof? What should I look for?

 

Nevermind, I see now that the fabric is waterproof, and they also sell rain covers for their packs

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You can check out Cabelas hunting packs. I'm not sure who makes them for cabelas tho, nor have I read many of the reviews. The other option, I was referred to a Kelty Red Cloud pack by awake. I haven't picked it up yet but will be soon I hope. You might try www.overstock.com and look and see what packs they have available right now as well. I like the MOLLE/PALS system to add my own "pockets" but they are usually only available on military/tactical packs. The civilian packs are definitely more comfortable tho...lol.

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What will you pack for a rifle? If you aren't going to have a 20rd mag sticking out the bottom the narrow scabbard is quieter and keeps the rifle more secure while being just as easy to draw out. I once shot a coyote I jumped while carrying my rifle in the J34 scabbard. He covered 47yds at a dead run from where I saw him to where I killed him. I'd make sure you stick with a pack where you can compress the scabbard also like the J34, that helps quiet the pack and secure the load also.

 

I love my J34 as you can tell.

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