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This was an introduction thread but I didn't stay on top of it and it got hijacked... oh well!

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Cool, heres a question Ive always wanted to ask fellow survivalists and preppers.

 

 

WHY NOT......

 

Just move to Canada, or China, or Japan, or Russia, or Germany, or any other place that seems relatively safe?

 

Is it because you'd miss your family, you don't know the rules, you don't like the laws, you can't afford it, you already have base set up here? Or what? I mean if SHTF and the dollar is worthless and your in another country you are in the clear! If TEOTWAKI happens I guess it might be different, but people are more controlled in canada and stuff, America is a disaster waiting to happen.

 

Personally I don't have any strong feelings of patriotism for my country anymore. I LOVE what America was founded on, freedom, liberty, justice, but I HATE what it has turned into, a corrupt, greedy country that promotes unhealthy practices. I was thinking about moving to a different country, what does everyone else think?

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Cool, heres a question Ive always wanted to ask fellow survivalists and preppers.

 

 

WHY NOT......

 

Just move to Canada, or China, or Japan, or Russia, or Germany, or any other place that seems relatively safe?

 

Is it because you'd miss your family, you don't know the rules, you don't like the laws, you can't afford it, you already have base set up here? Or what? I mean if SHTF and the dollar is worthless and your in another country you are in the clear! If TEOTWAKI happens I guess it might be different, but people are more controlled in canada and stuff, America is a disaster waiting to happen.

 

Personally I don't have any strong feelings of patriotism for my country anymore. I LOVE what America was founded on, freedom, liberty, justice, but I HATE what it has turned into, a corrupt, greedy country that promotes unhealthy practices. I was thinking about moving to a different country, what does everyone else think?

 

though I really feel what you are saying remember it is still just a handful of people that have caused this decline and there are a good many people in this country that still believe the principles of our founding fathers and what our country means.

I defended my country for 9 years as a Marine and i refuse to let a bunch of feelgood liberals, anarchists and commies destroy it because of apathy or defeatism. millions of patriots have shed blood for the flag and the Constitution millions more gave up a lot to lesser degree building this nation into the powerhouse and bastion of freedom we became.

Sorry but running just does not sit well with me. my father served in the Army airborne, My Uncle was wounded in VN as an Infantryman, My Grandfather was wounded on Iwo Jima, I have relatives that go way back past the civil war and had hands in shaping this nation. I owe it to them to do what i can to fight for it. i pass that down to my children and I get out and vote and try to be politically active and I am ready to do more if it comes to that though I pray it doesn't.

Also think about the these other countries and the lack of freedoms they have compared to us even as bad a shape as we are in. do you really want to live somewhere with a fraction of the freedoms you have now?

 

just my .02

 

Sean

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Cool, heres a question Ive always wanted to ask fellow survivalists and preppers.

 

 

WHY NOT......

 

Just move to Canada, or China, or Japan, or Russia, or Germany, or any other place that seems relatively safe?

 

Is it because you'd miss your family, you don't know the rules, you don't like the laws, you can't afford it, you already have base set up here? Or what? I mean if SHTF and the dollar is worthless and your in another country you are in the clear! If TEOTWAKI happens I guess it might be different, but people are more controlled in canada and stuff, America is a disaster waiting to happen.

 

Personally I don't have any strong feelings of patriotism for my country anymore. I LOVE what America was founded on, freedom, liberty, justice, but I HATE what it has turned into, a corrupt, greedy country that promotes unhealthy practices. I was thinking about moving to a different country, what does everyone else think?

 

Well, you answered your own question to a degree; people in other countries are too controlled. I also feel the government has abandoned our founding principles and ideas of freedom but I will not allow them to force me from my home. I agree with wardog, my family came to America in 1633 and we've fought for this nation in every war since. If you think this is bad now, wait until you are told how many children you can have; have to wait in bread lines; told which doctor you can see and which treatments can be performed; you're not allowed to own a firearm; pocket knives are limited to blades smaller than 2 inches; or any of the other marxist/socialist/communist doctrines. We must retake our nation and hold the crooks accountable with 2 boxes.... the ballot box and the juror's box.

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Its not so much that I hate what this country has become but I hate what the government has become. I believe that we are still a very hardy breed that are the top workers in the world. I believe one day the government will change, either by choice or force.

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The problem with the countries listed (in every country on the globe except this one actually) is that your rights come from the government and what the government gives, it can take away. You actually can be forbidden to publish anything the government doesn't like for instance. Most Americans think, incorrectly, that our rights are given to us by the constitution. If that were true, then the constitution could be changed and there go the rights. Our founding fathers put into the constitution limits on the government to protect our GOD GIVEN, INALIENABLE rights, not to grant any rights to us. The Constitution is nothing but limitations on the Federal (not even state, in general) government to preserve what is ours by divine right. Lose sight of that and nothing is safe. Want to have a gun? Not in any of the listed countries - not in any other country - unless the government says OK.

I have killed for this country; I was medically retired for injuries from Viet Nam; my 4X great grandfather was the commander of Sam Houston's artillery at the battle of San Jacinto. Another relative moved to the "Indian Territory" because he thought life in Oklahoma was better than the Kaiser's infantry in the late 1800's. My family has a long history of going against oppression. IF there was a place that was what America was in the early 1900's I might consider it except for that oath thing - you know - "against ALL enemies foreign and domestic". There is a reason that the watermelons (green on the outside, red on the inside) consider veterans enemies. To them we are and we understand standing in the breech. If things go totally wrong that is where you'll find me. I may not be able to "fire and maneuver" but I can dog gone sure FIRE.

I love my country - I don't trust the government. Never have, never will. I collect "conspiracy theories" as a hobby. It is scary what has been done without public knowledge or even inside the law. Don't believe me? Check out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment

on the experimentation on blacks between the 1930's and 1972. How about radiation studies on GI's in the 1940s and 1950s. Do you REALLY trust the government? If so I only have one question. WHY?

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They also did a lot of "let's see what happens" testing with drugs for mind/social control. Acid Dreams is a great book. LSD has an interesting history. Gov to me is just a big business.

Other interesting Questions

Why use timber when other things produce more raw material acre for acre?

After a disaster, why does the media show black people "looting" and whites "gathering supplies"?

Why has solar energy technology been held back?

Why does the Gov feel it's our place to solve the worlds problems, or is that actually the case?

Why does everyone try to generalize and label people and groups of people, left, right, democrat, republican, communist, socialist, anarchist, extremist, terrorist, whistle blower, anti american? Certain words shut peoples minds off and make them vote, and certain people clearly know this.

Why is everyone so hung up on the puppet that's in office for 4-8yrs, it doesn't matter who it is, half of you will love them and half will hate them, I am not saying he's great, but my parents claim to hate our president but cannot give me one example of how their life has changed at all since he's been in office. Why do they feel so strongly about something that has not effected them?

Why don't hot dogs and buns come in packages of the same number?(I am only half kidding on that one, someone needs to step in and put a stop to that mess)

Why is alcohol legal and other drugs not? Alcohol is a drug.

Most of these questions are related to to the idea that Gov. and Big business are partners. If tobacco is so bad why not make it illegal, well because companies would under and all the little trolls fighting on either side would also be out of a job. I think that all substances should be legal, if you are dumb enough to stick a needle in your arm maybe we should let you get yourself out of the way instead of paying for rehab programs and jail when you hurt someone or steal for your fix. Certain things are illegal because they are harmful and some harmful things are completely legal and barely regulated. So are they that harmful or is someone like oh IDK Anheiser Bush worried that a certain plant being made legal would hurt their sales, a rumor I heard was that Bud likes to fund helicopter rides for the cops to find pot, what great community activists they are. How can you trust someone that rarely makes any sense?

 

*I saw a special on this guy in Idaho who owned land the feds wanted. So they set him up, they sent in a friend of his with a sad story and she had him go get a bunch of pot and he gave it to her for the same price paid, he's not a drug dealer, he's a good dude that couldn't say no to a friend that needed his help. Luckily for this guy he's sharp as a tac, learned the law, defended himself, and won. Great story, I dont think they all end that way tho. That story really gets to me because owning a house and land is basically my dream, the idea that the Gov. that is supposed to be here to protect and help me would take away what I want most and am working for to further their own interest is defeating. The idea that basically a regular guy fought back and won is inspiring. Just remember that the Gov. does not care about right or wrong, they will threaten you, you family, you future, they will threaten to take your children away, they will lie, cheat, and steal, all for the "greater good" aka the interests of them and their friends.

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Im going to jump in here .Does anyone but myself know that the 82 Airborn was brought into Detroit(from Nam.) during the late 60s riots?? Yes I was there, 14 years old and saw stuff that I could not understand.I was visting a good friend of mine at the Ford Hospital and saw a Tank going down the road.Saw soilders with m16s loaded and ready.I asked my Father what was going on,he explained the best he could with simple answers for a teenager to understand.Lets just say the Goverment Will do what ever it wants at the time or can do and get away with.

Im staying Grey.....because I know that if and when the Goverment moves on something I will stay out of thier way untill I have the advantage.

The advantage is that most of us here have experenced get out of dodge situations before,maybe on a small scale by being in Military or on the coast or burried in the snow.But never forget that you are in charge of your own well being,and the SOBs from what ever Goverment agency is trying to control you and what you do for a reason that they deam important.

So stay Grey and under the radar my friends,increase your village,and your skills and stock up.

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