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Until. you shoot one more than once in an extended practice session.They are very unwieldy.

 

hence why the first thing i did after i got mine was replace the pistol grip with a pistol grip, top fold stock combo. shooting a shotgun without the benefit of a stock is just dumb

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hence why the first thing i did after i got mine was replace the pistol grip with a pistol grip, top fold stock combo. shooting a shotgun without the benefit of a stock is just dumb

100% agree!

and I'll do you one better - I have one of these and it's AMAZING Mossberg 930 SPX - pistol grip wth stock, 8 round capacity, semi-auto

http://www.gunblast.com/Mossberg-930SPX.htm

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How do you guys LIKE the top folding stocks, love the concept, haven't ever seen one in real life to shoot it. The JIC would be spiffy, I think, if a solid folding stock could be used with it. Thanks.

 

i don't have issue with them, of course I used to own a couple of SPAS-12 shotguns

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I went tactical with my mossberg 500A. Bought the 18.5 barrel for something around $70, bought the gun off a friend for $100, gonna buy the ATI top folding stock off amazon for $60 (local sporting chain carries it for $85)

 

So in total, I got a $400+ gun for $230. Works for me.

 

Planning on getting a different forend (I think that's the technical name) eventually

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I basically don't like the pistol grip shotguns because that appears to limit their usefulness as a hunting weapon. I also don't particularly want that much recoil in my hand. That is me - I prefer something like a coach gun with a real stock to that aimed fire is easily achievable.

 

I've never fired a 12 with the pistol grip so I don't know how bad the recoil would be or how badly the aimed fire is hurt (can you hit a bird in flight from the pistol grip?) so I'm no expert here. It just appears to me that it might not be the ultimate configuration for a survival weapon.

 

Just my not so humble opinion.

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I have a JIC Mossberg 500. I too very qickly saw a problem with the pistol grip only. It was fine with target loads, but very hard to control with buckshot. Too hard to let it remain due to safety considerations. I went to a 6 position collapsible stock WITH a pistolgrip.

 

As far as hitting birds with just the pistol grip - only by luck.

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the recoil isn't really any different when shooting with a pistol grip, personally i think it makes it easier to handle in a defense situation. and honestly with a 18" barrel that isn't the shotgun you will be using for hunting anyway. the good thing about those that if you have to have it for mulitpurpose then a barrel change is a 5 minute process to put a 26" ribbed barrel on it for hunting.

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the recoil isn't really any different when shooting with a pistol grip, personally i think it makes it easier to handle in a defense situation. and honestly with a 18" barrel that isn't the shotgun you will be using for hunting anyway. the good thing about those that if you have to have it for mulitpurpose then a barrel change is a 5 minute process to put a 26" ribbed barrel on it for hunting.

 

yeah but try putting a couple rds of mil spec 00 buck through it with a pistol grip then talk to me about it

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yeah but try putting a couple rds of mil spec 00 buck through it with a pistol grip then talk to me about it

There's actually a large amount of 'civilian' ammunition with much higher charges than what is considered "mil-spec".... Example. Hornady critical defense 00 buck. A round/piece of equipment doesnt have to be milspec to be "the best" or viable..

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yeah but try putting a couple rds of mil spec 00 buck through it with a pistol grip then talk to me about it

 

whats makes "milspec" any more powerful, at the end of the day it is still 00 buck. and as long as I have a shoulder stock to support the recoil and not being amatuerish by not leaning into it then i dont really have any issue shooting anything out of it

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whats makes "milspec" any more powerful, at the end of the day it is still 00 buck. and as long as I have a shoulder stock to support the recoil and not being amatuerish by not leaning into it then i dont really have any issue shooting anything out of it

 

 

You are correct sir it is the 00 buck that makes the differce. I just meant it's easy enough to pump many rnds. of 7 shot with the pistol grip and not get sore or tired, but if you start putting a real load through it it might not be as comfortable. Now if you talking a pistol grip with a stock it's not as bad. However the thread started with an image of a moss. 500 with a pistol grip, no stock, and thats what I based my response on.

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oh sorry, yes i could see where using any load bigger than birdshot with no shoulder support is going to hurt. which is why after i got mine the first thing i did was replace the grip with a stock support. heck with that noise about shooting a 12ga with no support

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I have three Moss. 500s including the one in the first picture with the pistol grip. I personally don't have any problem with the recoil whatsoever but then I'm a big boy and have shot about a half zillion rounds. The pistol grip is good for what it is meant for and wing shooting birds is NOT on its list though I have busted a lot of clay birds with my pistol grip. The one place where a pistol grip is superior to a stock is in the cab of my truck. I can swing it from the driver side window to the passenger side without taking out a window of getting it hung up. It is also pretty nice over my bed and possible is a little easier to get into action if you are laying down and NEED it NOW. I have a pistol grip tactical stock (rigid not a folding stock) that will go on it if I want to tote it outside.

 

Shooting a pistol grip is just like any other kind of shooting and the more you do it the better and more natural it feels. You do NOT aim a pistol griped shot gun it is an instinct pointer type weapon for up close personal work. I have one, I like it but if I only had ONE pump shot gun that wouldn't be my first choice. I have the two other regular 500s and 4 different barrels for them including an 18 1/2", a slug barrel with sights, an old school poly choke barrel and a 24" I like the nylon stocks a lot and have a couple of them.

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Danm,

Thank you, sir, for the comments. I agree with you that "only one" would not be a pistol grip. That has always been my concern with a survival weapon; it needs to be as multipurpose as possible. Your set up seems solid for your use.

 

I'm still not sure I'd like a pistol grip 12 but that is purely personal bias. Again, thank you for sharing.

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I'm a really big boy Capt. B. I used to shoot that thing like a pistol holding it up and straight out. The recoil was a lot less than say a super blackhawk 44mag. What I really like is a "plow handle grip". That is a lot better than a pistol grip for shooting from the hip. When I was young I worked in a ship yard and got real friendly with 16 and 20 lb sledge hammers and giant hammer wrenches for putting huge nuts on ship propeller shafts.That made holding the shotgun up seem pretty easy.

 

Recoil is mostly a matter of attitude and training. By the time my little girl was 8 or 9 she was swinging a 12 ga without thought and shooting 44 mag pistols and bigger any time she got the chance. She knew how to address a weapon and how to take the recoil and let it pass through without resisting it. You know how kids are...they LIKE things that are loud and shake things up. She just never developed any fear and so was a hell of a shot because she was relaxed and squeeezed the trigger ever so smoothly. No flinch at all I used to put some duds in her rounds that had no powder and a used primer. Most people will jerk the hell out of the gun when the hammer falls on a dead round.

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No flinch at all I used to put some duds in her rounds that had no powder and a used primer. Most people will jerk the hell out of the gun when the hammer falls on a dead round.

 

When I was 8, my mother taught me to shoot a handgun - a hammer less S&W .32 short! She loaded it and balanced a nickle on the top. If the gun when bang and the nickle fell, that was fine. If it went click and the nickle fell, I was introduced to the business end of a fly swatter (Yeah, I know, today that's child abuse - then it was discipline). I learned to not be afraid of recoil, I was more afraid of a fly swatter!:eek:

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