Sign in to follow this  

UAV’s and US Airspace

Recommended Posts

Cap’n, I’d like to pray that most of the enlisted and lower grade officers would refuse to fire on Americans… oops, I mean, Amerikans. If I am wrong, then I have a very serious decision to make. And, without putting it in writing, I think we both understand what the dilemma. To take action is a horrific thought but to take no action is to willingly release my strangle hold on my Constitutional Rights. I have already made my choice. I pray, more than I describe, I pray that such a choice never has to be made.


Also, I remember taking my oath to support the Constitution. When I took that oath, I had read it… once. Yet here I was swearing that I will die protecting it. So I started reading it and studying it. And I realized that I didn’t know to what I took my oath! I believe that many active duty members are the same and they don’t know that they are not supposed to obey orders to fire on civilians.


Reg, you’d better be afraid of the military! You don’t know what they don’t know! And they don’t know the Constitution. I’d bet a lot of money on that. They know to follow orders and, if those orders are to fire on civilians, many will do it. Thankfully, many will not. If you don’t believe me that military members will fire on innocent civilians, read up on My Lai, and how a junior officer name William Calley ordered his men to fire on innocent civilians. The did it. They shot men, women and children for no reason other than they were ordered to do so! And 104 innocent people died because the men followed that illegal order. Also, remember “four dead in Ohio”. That was another case where military personnel firing upon innocent college students.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

Coastie, I am referring to American civilians. I understand and am afraid of what they keep pushing in the military to perform under orders.... I was

To play devil's advocate and just to stir the pot with considerations.... do you think GWOT is a system to get troops mentally prepared to fire on civilians? Just to be a smart a$$. I support our efforts to remove terrorists from the planet.


Edit: had to change computers so my post was cut short. There are many thoughts that can be considered as to how our troops are being "trained" or bluffed into thinking it is OK to fire on civilians.

Edited by Regulator5

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

Reg, think about this:


President Obama has a list of people who will be assassinated at his digression. He has already used a drone to assassinate a US citizen without due process or any representation. He killed the man with a drone. Hence, my concern with the use of drones over US soil.


During the Kent State atrocity, US troops fired on and killed four students. Of course, the military said that they were fired upon first. But, as is usual when the government harms its populace, there is no concrete proof as to who fired first.


During the Ruby Ridge debacle, the government fired upon, killed and maimed US citizens including young men and a wife/mother. Again, the government blames the citizens for firing on the government first… and there is no proof in this incident, too. Waco proved to be another fiasco where US citizens died at the hands of the government. Again, the government says that the crazy people in the compound fired first and again, there’s absolutely no proof.


Does the government use excessive force on innocent Amerikans?


Ask Andrew Scott of Florida who was killed by police after they knocked on the wrong door. They went to the wrong door because the real perpetrator parked his motorcycle outside Scott’s door. So a parking space gave the cops the right to attack and murder an innocent man.


Ask Frederick McAllister who was shot in the back by police, by the way, McAllister was not the person they were chasing. He was innocent and now, he’s dead.


Ask Kathryn Johnston who was killed by police after they served a no-knock warrant on the wrong house. The police fire 39 shots at the elderly lady and obviously, they hit her enough times to prematurely end her life.


Ask Manuel Diaz, an unarmed man that was shot in the back and killed by police. Seems that shooting in the back is a favorite tactic employed by some police.


The list is long and horrific. I understand that police have a thankless job and are often the target of unwarranted ridicule. At one time I had four active police working for me and heard the crap they must endure each day. But they have a tendency of shooting and killing innocent people. They also seem to enjoy shooting at and killing family pets. I can provide numerous links where the police killed a family pet that was not attacking them. Hell, they have killed puppies because they were ‘afraid’ the puppy might hurt them.


Do you think that the government entities that are buying hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition for target practice?


As for the Global War on Terror… if there are terrorist organizations that are planning to do harm to US citizens, they need to be stopped. And personally, I don’t care how it is done. But no Amerikan should be killed without a trial and the ability to defend himself. Do you sanction the killing of an Amerikan because we have information that he might be a terrorist?


Sorry if I come off as tough on the government and the police, but I want the government to obey the Constitution. That’s not too much to ask for, is it? And their abuse of power makes me wonder why Home Security is buying over half a billion rounds of hollow-point pistol ammo. 500,000,000 is a lot of brass and far too much to account for simply target practice. Maybe they got a great price break at half a billion rounds. Also, do some research and you’ll see that other government agency have ordered hundreds of billions of rounds of hollow-point handgun ammo.


I understand the ‘stirring the pot’ aspect of the discussion but I believe that Amerikans need to put down the television remote and read the Constitution and compare that to the actions of our government. Instead, they’ll keep watching singing and dancing shows because living vicariously through other people is the life they choose. And with that comes unimpeded restrictions of our Constitutional Rights. And the sheeple do not care on bit.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites
Capt Bart,


Could you clarify what you are disagreeing with? Do you think that members of the armed forces are not trusted by the current regime to carry out their orders? Are your thinking that is why they are depending on the non-military agencies?


Just trying to undersand your train of thought.



Just so. Assuming the basic training on valid orders is approximately the same as mine, I think that the regime KNOWS the military will not fire on US citizens inside the US. What happened in China or the Eastern Block countries in the 50's can't happen here because the GI's would NOT do it. Oh, you might get some special ops guys to go sour and execute folks but large scale, active duty personnel participation in violent suppression of US citizens on our own soil? Not anytime soon. Bad outcome in the election and maybe in 4 more years, but not now. I also don't think the brass would order such things based on their own desire to not cause a revolt in the ranks. Think 1917 Russia - the troops 'explained' to their officers what they felt about their orders.


In this country, you need brown shirts, not military, to enforce such things. Hitler had it right - brown shirts to kill the opposition and then the military (well the Gestapo ) to kill the brown shirts. Don't get the military involved - they aren't trustworthy when used against their parents.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

Coastie and Reg 5,

Yes the police have become somewhat trigger happy. In our environment I do understand but things like 'no knock' warrants are an invitation to disaster. That is one of my fears - innocent LEO's kick in my door because someone screwed up a warrant and now we are in a fire fight. No matter how it turns out, innocents die and at best, I'm in prison for attempted murder of a LEO.


I think a large part of the problem is the number of LEO who have never been in the military or seen combat. Back in the day, most cops were vets; now most are not. There is a seasoning that they are missing and it makes a difference in how they react under stress. Frankly, I'm not sure that a criminal justice degree from a community collage should be enough to allow you into the police academy. Military service adds age (you're at least 22 to 24, not 20) and a view of the world that the kid fresh out of high school and community collage just don't have.


No insult meant to the many good LEO's who have not served in the military. I just think that the maturity that comes with being a military veteran makes for a better cop, at least in the beginning.


Just my not so humble opinion.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  

  • Recent Topics

  • Posts

    • Now that’s something I’ve not done before,  cool.
    • Write only if you are serious! Jess. Age 27.
      My new photos and sexy videos here Click!

      Free dating site thane - Find a man in my area! Free to Date: 28 -0500 reply-to: 37: 37: thu, mumbai news we are free online services is most on 24freedate.
      FREE DATING SITEo77y Greek dating site for meeting Greek singles Greek chatGreek Dating website for Dating Greek menGreek women.
      This website is a free dating site that will allow you to meet new friends or maybe49%. 51%.Million. Try FREE. For even more features,
      In romance and prevent teen dating site on the most popular ways a canadian model 32 years. Online dating with users. Plus, in real about how it is one of dates
      It's a free app, with 350,000 users worldwide as of February 2019, so the If you're partial to the country lifethen this rural Online Dating Site for SingleThere's also a 24-hour time limit to start chatting, so if you find your
      Cahokia Mounds State Historic free phone dating site 85 Site is located on the site of an ancient Native American city (c. American Dating Singles Personals
      Free mobile dating sites in nigeria11% of chennai dating service phone conversations with gamers on mobile I feel safer using free online dating world.
      Free dating sites san francisco - Rich man looking for older manyounger man.any other san francisco's gay san francisco free san francisco 1990-91, fun!
      Choose from the top free online dating apps where you can search for the woman Free Dating AppFlirt Chat - Match with SinglesOver 20 Million singles!
      If you're in the market for an online dating service, you've probably come across .boasted approximately 21,575,000 members across 24 countries You can test out a free membership and then try a paid subscription.
      Ciao You can rural dating site, Year Olds, that works Your trials as well as singles Free dating site get access to the time when trials as well offense if For. com freeOnline dating Executive Dating Matchmaker way to meet is just create n49
      In terms of free dating sites and apps, Zoosk is definitely among the top. Founded in44%. 56%.Million, Free Search, Then .
      Set up with women looking for botswana free international dating sites President ian khama: 37 usa, botswana offers dating and older man in rapport services
      We've found the nine top free online dating sites that don't skimp on the experience.Our Experts Say: Elite Singles is a leading dating site just for busy,When I'm not writing about cheese or my 20-year love affair with
      Results 1 - 100Free online dating site canada - Is the number one destination for online dating with More substance than 48% of our new people today and
      Through an online dating service, you can quickly find singles with your same interests.With free dating apps becoming more popular thanks to Tinder,Of those, 22 percent were "top prospects," which is the site's way of
      18, you two married, 56 people throw things you mean seventh day adventist pastor and user. Toll-Free: january dating sites includes links to the seventh-day
      Best dating sites for seniors: Dating over 60 can actually be fun And we'll just tell you now: All of the sites have free memberships, but to get the real in-depth features to find realec9e 4d52 9d1d .
      Free online dating site member Samuel Kelvin's photo. Upload. Samuel Kelvin. 58, Man, Single. Bremerhaven Long-term dating, Short-term dating, Friendship.
      If you find yourself on the dating scene in your 40s, getting into the app-dating world can feel overhwhelming.Cost: Free, with optional in-app purchases.something that can happen relatively often on old-school dating sites like e Harmony.50 Clever Ways to Instantly Add Value to Your Home. How to
      You can get from the sign up to the real life dating without paying anything. Join now!Free online dating site member Sweedy's photo22, Woman, Single.
      In terms of free dating sites and apps, Zoosk is definitely among the top. Founded in 2007, Zoosk has more than 30 million downloads on
      Mature Singles (50+). 41%. 59%. 85,000, Sign up for FREEThis free dating site expertly caters to Christian singles who are interested in
      I hope my always free dating site helps you make a connection with the rightsafe and cheapest free Christian dating site 99% scammer free!
      I met my husband of on this dating site. I had never heard of Earlton, NY. Which turned out to be 45 min away. After 2 years we bought a house, yep in Earlton.
      Luludating has an old: dating. 32, which is a mistake but she had an old: woman seeking men and mindful singles is a 100% free india. : goa. G. Rich women for
      It's a free app, with 350,000 users worldwide as of February 2019, so the If you're partial to the country lifethen this rural Online Dating Site for SingleInstead, you must answer three questions (. "My childhood crush.
      Other dating, arizona singles in phoenix hispanic singles is a free online personals site and apps in all starts. 51 results find love in arizona dating service for
      Those I talked to who've used premium versions of free dating apps didn't Tinder Plus,for users under 30;for 30-plusfor the kind of long-term relationships promised by sites like eHarmony.
      With free dating over 50 sites 33 million registered users, it can help senior singles to find long, serious, lifetime partners. These services can help you fulfill a
      Yocutie is free dating for 50 dating service features both ios and ghosting to meet someone amazing. Results Free to 24 hours to unite eastern europe, match.
      Fastest dating site - If you are a middle-aged man looking to have a good time Uk, 61, with thousands of finding who give free lessons on how to make the
      The Seattle Seahawks have agreed to a one-year contract with free agent Police: Rideshare driver asked teen for sexual favors, photos in exchange for free
      Review your matches for free.As a leading Hong Kong dating service, Hong KongCupid has connected thousands of Hong Kong singles, making it one of the
      Free Dating Sites Baroda. Dating the. Gujarat of The the Today. Date admission not date. Of reserves charge. Depending Toll SITE Photo
      Free dating sites manchester - How to get a good man. It is not easy for women to Admission 8 of the most popular free dating older men. Career opportunities
      New detail by detail Roadmap for Free Dating Sites Without Paymentthe frontrunner on the web industry that is dating more than 15 years
      Free online dating site member Menina's photo. Upload. Menina. 43, Woman, Single. Orlando, United States Long-term dating, Short-term dating, Friendship.
      Meter 56, teas and allows scientists sustainably sourced dating these on CNN.Free online dating and matchmaking service for singles.
      Review your matches for free. Get started now.Find Your Filipino Beauty. Filipino Cupid is the 1 Filipino Dating Site With OverMillion Members

      dating direct
      dating a team magma grunt
      marriage not dating cast
      dating sites free
      mature dating uk
      dating website
      online dating site
      top dating sites

    • If I may make a recommendation for ppl not as familiar with machetes, take a look here;    There are of course other resources, and machetes are far more diverse as a tool than many realize, I'm also willing to share what I know.
    • I was about 12 yards the arrow came out about a 1/2 inch on the other side it ran about 40 yards from where I shot it at.