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Hi Folks,

 

On Sept 11th, 2001 the Islamist militant group al-Qaeda, under direct orders from their illustrious leader Osama Bed-Linen, hijacked four passenger jets a series of four coordinated suicide attacks upon the United States in New York City and the Washington, D.C. areas....or so the official story goes.

 

Yet, a significant number of top Engineers, Architects, Scientist, Pilots, Demolition Experts challenge the official version including the fraudulent NIST investigation which is about as water-tight as the Titantic. Just a very small portion of the evidence of a huge cover-up:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW6mJOqRDI4

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoJohI0S4og&feature=player_embedded#!

 

....so, independent investigations by top scientists even found advanced (military) nano-thermite in the dust from the towers (from the demolition devices installed in the towers), yet still no public outrage? No new investigation? Okay.....

 

The above evidence and mounds of other evidence leads to a rather interesting conclusion:

 

The top core of the U.S. government conspired with business interests and foreign governments to MURDER its own citizens and deceive the entire nation with a "false-flag" operation in order to win public support for the hugely costly invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and later the war and subsequent occupation of Iraq.

 

What's this nonsense! The top leadership of the US conspiring with foreign governments and authorizing the murder of it's own citizens to fool the US public into supporting it's agenda? PREPOSTEROUS!.....or is it?

 

USS Liberty:

 

http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/index.html

 

In short, in the midst of the Six-Day War btw Israel and it's neighbors, the US Gov't appears to have authorized an attack on a US Navy ship by un-marked Israeli jets, and blame it on Egypt to get public support for drawing the US into a war with Egypt. Perhaps insurance against an Israeli defeat. It even appears US jets loaded with nukes were scrambled and heading towards Cairo but called back at the last minute.....

 

"Within a few short moments, and without any warning, Israeli fighter aircraft launched a rocket attack on USS Liberty. The aircraft made repeated firing passes, attacking USS Liberty with rockets and their internal cannons. After the first flight of fighter aircraft had exhausted their ordnance, subsequent flights of Israeli fighter aircraft continued to prosecute the attack with rockets, cannon fire, and napalm.

 

During the air attack, USS Liberty’s crew had difficulty contacting Sixth Fleet to request assistance due to intense communications jamming The initial targets on the ship were the command bridge, communications antennas, and the four .50 caliber machine guns, placed on the ship to repel boarders. After the Israeli fighter aircraft completed their attacks, three Israeli torpedo boats arrived and began a surface attack about 35 minutes after the start of the air attack. The torpedo boats launched a total of five torpedoes, one of which struck the side of USS Liberty, opposite the ship’s research spaces."

 

Unfortunately for the Feds and our good ally, in spite of their best efforts the boat did not sink. Even more unfortunately, there were survivors..... The Israeli pilots obviously knew they were attacking an American ship (their friends), yet they even machine gunned the lifeboats dropped over the side by the crew in anticipation of an order to abandon ship!........rather un-sporting I might say.

 

The surviving American sailors were told to just shut the hell up....:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va0sHuZyJwU

 

So in conclusion; I say to the bad guys truly responsible for 9/11:

 

We're coming for you.....and HELL is coming with us.

 

Wolfe

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Horse pucky, I SAW the airplane hit the second tower... Sadly most scientists these days are whores that will say whatever you pay them to say. If you think I'm wrong you need to sit in court for a while and watch the "expert" witnesses testify. I also remember when a bunch of government paid scientists said and proved that smoking pot was deadly. They proved it by killing monkeys via smoke inhalation! They could have been burning hundred dollar bills and the result would have been the same.

 

There is NO money in good news so science these days is totally directed to disasters and BS theories that will get grants and sell books. The government doesn't pay for science they pay for rubber stamp approval of what they want to say.

 

The towers did NOT drop from the bottom up like it would if it had been blown. It COLLAPSED from the middle down and nobody could have foreseen that. There has never in history been a tragedy of this magnitude that was as well documented as the 911 attacks.

 

If a comet came down out of the sky after being viewed for days in the sky and smacked a city I have no doubt that there would be conspiracy people saying that it was actually a paper fake with a bomb inside launched by the American government.

 

All this stuff is just a way to make money selling books and such and profiting on the misery of the victims.

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I agree w/ Danm, as for the USS Liberty issue during the 6 day war...obviously George Bush's fault

HAH!

I have to agree as well. not that i find it out of the realm of possibility, but people will say whatever you want them to say just to be recognized.

As far as EXPERTS go...well.. it doesn't seem to take much now days to be an "expert"...

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I don’t even want to read or watch the drivel the conspiracy theorists spew. While I adamantly support their right to speak and ‘your’ right to believe it, freedom of speech means that I do not have to watch, listen or read their evil-plot poppycock. Crazy, religious zealot Islamic extremists took down the Twin Tower, struck the Pentagon and crashed the plane into a field. I did a lot of studying on this and the science is sound… even for the infamous Building Seven.

 

And guess what else:

 

Oswald killed JFK

Jack Ruby killed Oswald

Sirhan Sirhan killed RFK

Ray killed MLK

The Illuminati do not rule the world

Members of the Bohemian Grove do not rule the world

Members of the Bilderberg group do not eat gold-leaf covered infants

Skull & Bones is little more than a bunch of over-privileged, wealth brats

The USA really did land people on the Moon

The Da Vinci Code was a book made up by Brown and not reality

Elvis did not fake his own death

Paul McCartney did not die decades ago

Pearl Harbor was not an inside job

 

I could go on but why…

 

Our government is untrustworthy. They routinely do things that violate the Constitution. But they don’t design terrorist attacks on our buildings. But y’all can believe what you want. My words will never change ‘your’ opinions.

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ditto.

 

They talk outa both sides of their mouth.

 

I just figure they talk outa both mouths.... same excrement is the final product....lol.

 

As for BLDG 7 (or whatever number they use to designate it), I would believe that the owner may have had some help in condemning it to collect more insurance. That would just be insurance fraud tho. I've never looked at much on the 9/11 after the first couple tries at disproving it were so false they made the gov't look like "honest" people.

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Reg, Building 7 is an interesting thing. When the Twin Towers fell, a lot of burning debris forced its way through Building 7’s windows. These fires spread and got hotter. The building was built long before the Towers and its design and construction was aged, to say the least. The fires weakened the structural support on the left side of the building (as most video show). The building was built using some sort of ‘shaft’ designs. Just before Building 7 falls you can see the very top of the building start falling first. This was the start of that entire section failing. When that section failed, it slowly took the other sections with it (as is easily evident in the videos).

 

The structural failures are predictable. Even the Pentagon’s damage is exactly as it should have been. The section that the plane (and it was a plane) had been rebuilt as a precaution against terrorist attacks. The pillars were made amazingly strong with rebar formed into circles and cross-braced. The walls also had ‘joins’ in it so one could see total devastation on one side of the wall and one could barely tell there was an explosion one room over. It all had to do with the retrofit and the heavy duty construction.

 

But I understand why people feel the government was involved. People don’t trust the government and justifiably so. But to think that our government hijacked planes, landed them in the heartland and currently have all the passengers living in hangers is absurd… and a lot of people think that. Most people that think a missile hit the Pentagon think that is true. One thing I know for sure, a lot of people have made a lot of money and have become famous peddling the conspiracy theories.

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Coastie, I agree. I didn't study BLDG 7 as I said but I figured many neighboring buildings got damaged when the towers came down.

I'll admit, I wouldn't put it past the gov't (or at least certain companies... errr, I mean agencies) being behind it and al queda is their "pet". Did they do it? I have no idea nor proof. I know they have no problem murdering anyone to promote their agenda, American or not (I speak from personal knowledge). As for the passengers living in hangars..... if the gov't did do it; they wouldn't have bothered getting the passengers off the planes. Their lives mean nothing to them when looking at the big picture of the attacks.

The Pentagon was hit by a jet. I had a cousin in the building at the time. If they wouldn't have been at a meeting; we'd have been holding services.

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I find it incredulous, that ANYONE actually believes the Federal Government is competent enough to have it's thousands of employees and contractors CONSPIRE to commit 9/11 and NO ONE SPILLED THE BEANS before hand or has come up with conclusive proof other than half-baked theories from clowns that were not there on scene.

Really? It was a conspiracy? There are more fools in this country than I had pessimistically guessed.

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I find it incredulous, that ANYONE actually believes the Federal Government is competent enough to have it's thousands of employees and contractors CONSPIRE to commit 9/11 and NO ONE SPILLED THE BEANS before hand or has come up with conclusive proof other than half-baked theories from clowns that were not there on scene.

Really? It was a conspiracy? There are more fools in this country than I had pessimistically guessed.

 

+1 .... (reminder to self: get the tin foil hats out)

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Hi folks,

 

Just want to say that I completely understand much of your cynicism regarding any 9/11 conspiracy. It's a bitter pill to swallow.....

 

I figure not many here are civil engineers, and perhaps you don’t have the time or patience or desire to absorb 3 hours of evidence in the videos. However, if you are interested, allow me give you the short of it and a few examples in laymen’s terms.

 

The gov’t claims that fires from the airplanes weakened the steel structures of the three towers and caused their ultimate collapse.

 

Example 1:

 

Take your weber grill, set a few bricks on the grate for a load and burn a couple of gallons of kerosene (same as airplane fuel) underneath. Did the steel grate fail or even bend? No, it did not simply because the melting point of steel requires far higher temperatures.

 

Steel framed buildings don’t collapse from fire (at least they didn’t for nearly 100 years until 9/11) and this is exactly the reason why it’s the preferred form of construction for high rises.

 

Example 2:

 

Stand in a field on one leg; what “structural element” is supporting your body? Your thigh bone/femur. Now have a marksman shoot you through the thigh with a high-powered round so it takes out a complete section of your femur. Does your entire body collapse in a neat pile of mush into its footprint? No, of course not. Why, because the rest of your skeleton (supporting structure) above and below the injury remains undamaged. Your leg will fold over the injury and you will topple.

 

Similarly, the steel frame in buildings like the WTCs must be cut in many pieces “in advance” for the buildings themselves to collapse neatly and fall straight down into their footprints (controlled demolition). If part of the steel frame is not destroyed then that part of the building remains intact:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIEBLdd6W3Q

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJDX9V_pPV8

 

Some more folks with "questions".....:

 

http://patriotsquestion911.com

 

Take care all.

 

Wolfe

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DW, Did the engineers who "proved" the theory of fire couldn't collapse the buildings use good steel or did they use the second rate steel used in the towers? I know they used #1 steel but it was Japan's #1, which is comparable to our lower #2 at best. Also, kerosene is only equal to JP8 for the most part, and I know aviation fuel starts at JP6 with jet fuel usually being JP4 (based on what I know from military aviation ops. I hope the pilots on here chime in on this one).

Truthfully, I'm probably 1 of the biggest supporters of "thinking the gov't will do anything to consolidate power". I would not be surprised to learn the fed murdered 20k People to further their agenda, let alone 3k, but I think most of the "theorists" do themselves and the truth a disservice by trying to politicize their "findings". Plus as mentioned by Malcolm, the gov't employees are NOT trustworthy enough to keep their mouth shuts...lol.

That being said, I would find it plausible that they learned of the attacks in advance and decided to do nothing to further their agenda. I do not think the entire gov't was knowledgeable or would even be complicit in going along with it, but we have person(s) in positions that would... look at some of J Hoover's tactics to gain power. I have also skimmed the Popular Science/Mechanics testing on the 9/11 attacks where they confirm "it could have and probably did happen as according to the official report". I figure the complete Truth is somewhere in the middle, much like a domestic dispute (her story, his story, what really happened).

As you said, I am not a civil engineer; I'm just a dumb hick, so this is my understanding of the events.

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I would not be surprised to learn the fed murdered 20k People to further their agenda, let alone 3k,

 

I'm just curious. What do you base that statement on and what evidence or example can you cite to make you believe same?

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They knew everything,lie to the people,and got our boys kill .

NEW YORK: Months before the 9/11 attacks, former US President George Bush had received multiple briefings by intelligence agencies warning of an "imminent" attack on US soil by al Qaeda but he did not take prompt action that could have prevented the tragedy, a report said today.

 

Former reporter for the news daily Kurt Eichenwald said Bush had begun to get "direct warnings" about the possibility of an attack by al Qaeda as early as the spring of 2001 but some in the administration considered the warning to be just "bluster".

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Jumbo, I'm saying it wouldn't surprise me that the fed gov't would do it, not that they did do it. I look at history; mao, hitler, stalin, pol pot, etc and see how many they murdered to achieve their goal(s) and just see our gov't beginning the same path.

I just see the fed becoming more and more of the marxist/socialist tyrant and not the gov't of the People for the People. I think about Ruby Ridge (weaver may have been a POS racist, but sniping an unarmed woman holding a baby is still wrong and he was found innocent of the charges), Waco and "Fast and Furious".... they all point to the fed NOT caring about the People, only enabling themselves to gain more power. We also have all the examples of them using innocent People, whether they were in the military, state institutions or just general populations, as guinea pigs for vaccinations and other experiments (http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/olc/docs/1998NDAA.pdf) . The gist of the regulation is that they can use civilians as test subjects for medical, agricultural, industrial, or research; also for developing protection against toxic chemicals, etc (Section 1078). As fro getting "written notice", think how much paperwork you sign when going to a healthcare facility and do you read every line? Most people just sign the form because they need a shot and that's what the doc tells them.... "just authorizing the procedure", and people take them at their word. I could also cite Agent Orange, Gulf War Syndrome, the nuke tests during the Cold War, etc. I just do NOT trust the fed gov't to have my best interest at heart, unless it benefits them and their agenda.

I could also cite some personal experiences, but have said enough about those to keep me in hot water.

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DW, Did the engineers who "proved" the theory of fire couldn't collapse the buildings use good steel or did they use the second rate steel used in the towers? I know they used #1 steel but it was Japan's #1, which is comparable to our lower #2 at best. Also, kerosene is only equal to JP8 for the most part, and I know aviation fuel starts at JP6 with jet fuel usually being JP4 (based on what I know from military aviation ops. I hope the pilots on here chime in on this one).

Truthfully, I'm probably 1 of the biggest supporters of "thinking the gov't will do anything to consolidate power". I would not be surprised to learn the fed murdered 20k People to further their agenda, let alone 3k, but I think most of the "theorists" do themselves and the truth a disservice by trying to politicize their "findings". Plus as mentioned by Malcolm, the gov't employees are NOT trustworthy enough to keep their mouth shuts...lol.

That being said, I would find it plausible that they learned of the attacks in advance and decided to do nothing to further their agenda. I do not think the entire gov't was knowledgeable or would even be complicit in going along with it, but we have person(s) in positions that would... look at some of J Hoover's tactics to gain power. I have also skimmed the Popular Science/Mechanics testing on the 9/11 attacks where they confirm "it could have and probably did happen as according to the official report". I figure the complete Truth is somewhere in the middle, much like a domestic dispute (her story, his story, what really happened).

As you said, I am not a civil engineer; I'm just a dumb hick, so this is my understanding of the events.

 

Hi Regulator 5,

 

Nobody is a dumb hick here, only stupid people and sheep don't question. I think the answer to your question about the quality of the steel is the first vid.

 

The facts are that Jet 1A burns around 500°F: (260°C)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel

 

Uninsulated structural steel loses 50% of it's design strength at about 1100°F (550°C)

 

http://www.eng.nus.edu.sg/EResnews/0606/rd/rd12.html

 

Keep in mind that engineers also use a Safety Factor in their design of structural beams, columns, trusses, etc, any anywhere from 1.5 to 3 meaning the members can withstand 1.5 to 3 or more times the maximum calculated load. Next there's the fire insulation on the beams....

 

So, at the very least it would take over twice the temperature of burning Jet fuel to significantly weaken the steal structures in WTC 1 & WTC2, probably a lot more than that, and ONLY weaken structures where there was fire...nor does this explain the how fire took down WTC7.

 

So how does a few floors collapsing from fire (if indeed this was the case), explain how the unburned steel structure failed above and below the damage per my previous examples, causing the entire buildings to neatly, and completely collapse into their own footprints?

 

But in any case, by all means believe what you feel is the truth.

 

Wolfe

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DW, I was only referring to myself as a dumb hick...lol. I'm about as hillbilly as they get. Of course this benefits me in my attire since most do not realize my background.

First, I truly do not know what all transpired that fateful day. I know I lost kin at the towers and a friend.

 

Truthfully, I wouldn't put it past certain elements to do this, but I just wish I could see some evidence that leaves the political spin out of it. I do try to believe in the gov't, otherwise my military service was based on a lie.

 

Remain Vigilant, as 9/11 has again became a day the terrorists declared war on US.

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Actually, I have an engineering background. I have read the reports and saw the study that was done on why the towers collapsed. If there is one thing lacking in this country is the analytic ability that people need to make good judgements. The towers collapsed as per the reports. It was due to the specific design of the building. That is my judgement.

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Nano Thermite LOL it exist only problem with using it is it burns not explodes when it burns it goes straight down all nano thermite is, is an extremely fine powdered thermite making it easier to ignite and pack more into a container as for the WTC collapse all were structural failures. Want proof roll the video all my fellow combat engineers out there will tell you when you blow somethin up you get a large dust and smoke cloud BEFORE the building moves that would be the demo charges cutting the supports DUH with the supports now seperated the building falls. With the trade center the building starts to fall before the outgassing that would be the puff of smoke you see roll out. My cousin Kieth Bow@$@ is currently and was on 9/11, a Yonkers firemen who responded to the district emergency alarms and was in building seven when the evac order came there was no demo used he said all the vertical supports were cracked and had large chunks missing out of them add that to the fires that were burning in the building and it is bye bye building. Trade Center one and two callapsed with enough force to create a siesmic event that was picked up by USGS seismographs in Philidelphia if you do not believe that that can cause extensive damage to buildings I suggest you move to LA I am like most of you responding sick of quacks and shit stirers Rod, your right on about the average Americans analitical abilities but you forgot their unbelievable gulibility and penchant for propogating blatant BS because of self described experts. Sorry to all but this crap gets me way down deep I had family in the trade center and family who responded as it happened and I responded by switching from my cushy AGR job back to active duty where I have been in both crap holes repeatedly and seen my government take an even bigger nose dive into the manure bucket than ever before and literally watch this country turn into a police state.

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Actually, I have an engineering background. I have read the reports and saw the study that was done on why the towers collapsed. If there is one thing lacking in this country is the analytic ability that people need to make good judgements. The towers collapsed as per the reports. It was due to the specific design of the building. That is my judgement.

 

Hi Rod, thanks for contributing.

 

I have an engineering background as well. I have a degree in Civil Engineering among other related qualifications, worked over a decade designing structures and in construction inspection, inspecting structures including steel framed buildings. I also worked for United Airlines as a power-plant and systems engineer before, during and after 9/11. At UAL I did a lot of forensic analysis on failures together with the Metallurgy and Metrology Departments, material science, etc....Subsequently, I've spent the last decade working in international Aerospace and Defense.

 

I figured something was terribly odd as soon as I footage of the 1st tower fall.....no evidence or study since has changed that opinion, quite the contrary.

 

My own qualifications pale in comparison to many of the military and civilian people questioning the "official" 9/11 story.

 

Example:

 

Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981 - 1984, commanding 15,000 intelligence and security personnel. Also commanded the U.S. Army’s Electronic Research and Development Command and the U.S. Army’s Intelligence School and Center. Former head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence. 32-year Army career.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine

 

It seems strange that so many high-level, and highly qualified civilian and military folks would come out publicly and go on record just to stir the shit.

 

However, you don't need to be an expert, a high-school grasp of physics and some common sense are enough see through the smoke......

 

Wolfe

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Hi Regulator 5,

 

Nobody is a dumb hick here, only stupid people and sheep don't question. I think the answer to your question about the quality of the steel is the first vid.

 

The facts are that Jet 1A burns around 500°F: (260°C)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel

 

Uninsulated structural steel loses 50% of it's design strength at about 1100°F (550°C)

 

http://www.eng.nus.edu.sg/EResnews/0606/rd/rd12.html

 

Keep in mind that engineers also use a Safety Factor in their design of structural beams, columns, trusses, etc, any anywhere from 1.5 to 3 meaning the members can withstand 1.5 to 3 or more times the maximum calculated load. Next there's the fire insulation on the beams....

 

So, at the very least it would take over twice the temperature of burning Jet fuel to significantly weaken the steal structures in WTC 1 & WTC2, probably a lot more than that, and ONLY weaken structures where there was fire...nor does this explain the how fire took down WTC7.

 

So how does a few floors collapsing from fire (if indeed this was the case), explain how the unburned steel structure failed above and below the damage per my previous examples, causing the entire buildings to neatly, and completely collapse into their own footprints?

 

But in any case, by all means believe what you feel is the truth.

 

Wolfe

 

Sorry Wolfe your theory goes to pot quick first your failing to account for other flammables in the building two you are failing to account for the wind which on 9/11 at 500' was a steady thirty miles an hour in downtown, that wind intensifies the heat by five fold thats how a black smith on a simple wood fire can melt steel and iron by adding a simple bellows . In addition the aircrafts impact tore away the bulk of the insulation. I destroy things for a living in the military I have extensive training and I am very familiar with all the toys that would have to be used and the planning and no I am not just another grunt. Another thing the open air burning temp of Jet 1a is 500 to 599 degrees F that is a major game changer right there, that your missing, in an insulated environment it is up to 2,800 degrees F. that is a major difference add other combustable material and a 30 MPH wind thats a whole new environment.

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