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hey all,

i am looking at getting my first handgun, i toyed with the idea a few monbths ago but it is time to get serious.... i am torn between the walther and glock, while i hear nothing but good things about glock the glock 19 firing pin has mixed reviews. so question time

glock 19 or 17 and why?

walther p99as or PPQ and why?

yes will be used for concealed carry but size doesnt matter that much to me

which is better for larger hands?

which is easier to clean in the field?

which will do better in the rough?

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Glock 17 .40cal

because its looking like .40 is primary load for Military and LEO, and is just as easy to get as 9mm but with more power than 9mm Glock 19

 

As for the hands question, you can get large frame handgun in just about any caliber

I have a MP .45 fit my large hands good, and a smaller, more concealable 9mm

 

cleaning? Differs between manfacturers. Smith & Wesson MP models are very easy and tool-less to disassemble

 

Which is better in the ROugh? shooting at a distance... Id say a smaller cal, the 9mm

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I've shot both Glocks & Walthers in 9mm & 40 S&W. I my self would lean towards the Walthers. The PPQ is what i'd pick. I love the 10mm auto calibre & own one in a Glock 20 SF model. If Walther comes out with a 10mm auto in the PPQ model, i'd buy one in a hart beat. The triger pull in the PPQ is alot better than P99 & the Glocks, just my opinion. To field strip & clean, both Glocks & Walthers are easy to do. Both companys have made their firearms handle rough usage, so it's a non isssue.

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Go touch them and see which you like better. If you end up buying a Walther on our suggestion but hate it, what's the point.

 

They both have interesting take down procedures. I liked the Berreta 92 I used in the Army, but when I went to the store, I held each pistol and found the the Springfield Armory XD/XDM was a perfect match at point shooting. Take down procedures were the same, so I got the XDM.

 

Buying a gun's like buying underwear, you can ask for advice, but you buy what's comfortable to you.

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Glock 19. IMO its the best glock. Why? I feel its the perfect combo of size and weight. I own a 19 and 23 (9mm & 40). For me they shoot great and are completely reliable. Field strip is very easy. The aftermarket for the glocks is huge.

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Just stay away from the berreta as they have barrel problem....it will break after extended use and the last thing you want is a click in the middle of a fire fight. Some manufacturers offer changable grips so that you can fit the gun to your hand. Bigger is not always better but the FBI went to the 40 for a reason. Talk to some spec ops people about 9 mil stopping power.....many carry 45 for the same reason the FBI went to the 40.

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shadow there are a lot of good options out there, Glock, Sig, Walther, Springfield Armory, kimber, colt, H&K, and yes even beretta. what you need to do is try them out, what is a fit for someone else may not work for you and until you have one in hand to feel it and feel your comfort level with both the caliber and ergonomics and handlebility(sp?) of the handgun then everything here is just an opinion. i know a lot of ranges usually have tons of handguns that you can rent to try out and for the money it would cost to try out what is going to be the tool that may save your life it is well worth the extra effort, if you know people that have hand guns ask them to let you go shooting with them so you can try some out that way and have some fun in the process. that handgun needs to be an extension of your arm so it needs to fit like a glove and only you will know which one will work best for you once you shoot it. just my .02

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Shadow - I think you get the idea, right? Go shoot both brands and several calibers. Factor in how it fits your hands, ease of maintenance, availability of ammo, affordability, etc. You'll make the right choice for you. Good luck and let us know what you decide.

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Shadow,

I've fired both Glock's and Walther's products. First off, I'm a 1911, .45 ACP bigot. That would always be my weapon of choice. Either the 9mm or the .40 can do the self defense job. I'd prefer the .40 (actually the .45 but, hey, I already said that) but if you are not the only one who may be shooting this, let the most recoil sensitive member of your household fire both and then decide. My bride likes and shoots 9mm well. She can shoot my .45 but does not like it. If it is to be an 'only' for a while, get what she likes first.

 

Secondly, I liked the Glock better than the Walther. The Walther fit my hand a bit better but there was considerably more muzzle flip with it than either the Glock or my Colt Commander. The Colt was a .45, the other two .40s. There are many great guns out there - one real advantage to the Glock is that it is a system that allows you to go from sub-compact to full size auto and the form and function does not change. In general even the mags are the same (sub-compacts are different though). I have a rule that all my immediate action firearms MUST function the same way. I really like Ruger's "P" series pistols but I won't own one; the reason is that the safety on the "P" flips UP to fire. On my other pistols, the safety flips DOWN to fire. Making a mistake at oh-dark-thirty can get you killed so I stick to my 1911 platform.

 

After you've satisfied yourself that the gun will do the mission, that everyone who needs to can accurately fire it (that means that they have actually fired it), AND it fits your plans for future firearm growth (Glock magazines fit Kel Tec's SU series carbines in 9mm and .40 caliber for example) then you can make the buy decision.

 

Final point, don't be afraid to say you made a poor choice and replace the weapon. Resale value is pretty good and almost nothing is as bad as a gun you don't trust. I had a 9mm Makarov that I HATED. Felt good in the hand but was an unreliable shooter. I sold it to a guy who liked to work on guns - he knew what he was getting and the price was cheap - who thought he could fix it for a relative. My mistake but the Kel Tec .380 Auto that replaced it was perfect for the intended job.

 

So, I agree with those that said shoot it first. 'Fitting the hand' is important but insufficient. Consider the most recoil averse shooter who may have to use it but choose a caliber to fit the mission. 9mm or smaller is just not enough gun for out in the tall and uncut if you're in bear or hog country. It works fine for a concealed handgun if you feed it the proper ammo. (I like Hornady's Critical Defense for a lot of reasons; just make sure your gun likes what you want to feed it.) My personal preference is .45ACP but lacking that, I'd go .40. Having said that, I've been known to carry .38 spl, .380 auto and 9mm when conditions warrant. My field gun is either a .357 Mag or .45 Colt revolver. So mission determines caliber but the mission also must take into account the ability of the least experienced shooter in the group.

 

Just my not so humble opinion.

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The older and slower I get, the more I favor my 1911 .45ACP pistols. When I was law enforcement in southern California, I personally witnessed failure to stop in 12 gauge, .38 Special, .357 magnum, 9mm, lots of .40 caliber failures to stop and a few in .45 ACP. Personally, I do not care for the recoil impulse of the .40 caliber t all. Hurts my wrist tendons after just a few rounds. I also have NEVER seen anyone shot with a .22LR on up say, "that was "only" a (insert caliber here) so it won't work".

Capt. Bart is absolutely correct, find the handgun YOU are most accurate with and use that one. Never mind the gun-rag writers opinions. most of them have never faced anything more threatening than a car payment anyway, so what DO they ,now, really? I shoot extremely well with Glocks although I do not "like" their ergonomics in MY hands. Yes, I carry a 9mm Glock daily and do not feel under gunned or under-calibered at all. With modern hollow point ammunition MOST normal loads will do fine for you in a self defense situation, IF you actually HIT the target when and where you need to. Most "tactic-cool" commandos, seem to "think" they need a certain brand of handgun the greatest configuration to carry the day. Such thinking is foolish and will get you killed. Better to practice, practice, and practice more, than to prance about at the range showing off your latest-and-greatest.

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The older and slower I get, the more I favor my 1911 .45ACP pistols. When I was law enforcement in southern California, I personally witnessed failure to stop in 12 gauge, .38 Special, .357 magnum, 9mm, lots of .40 caliber failures to stop and a few in .45 ACP.
they must have been on drugs right?

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I gotta put a plug in for considering a revolver...especially for new users who want to depend on it for defense. I too love the .45 ACP. Colt 1911 is what I teethed on. BUT for my wife and family who are brand new gun users, I went with S & W .357 for ease of learning, lack of misfire, and the fastest way to self confidence. Fire fight...no. Self defense and backup...YES.

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I gotta put a plug in for considering a revolver...especially for new users who want to depend on it for defense. I too love the .45 ACP. Colt 1911 is what I teethed on. BUT for my wife and family who are brand new gun users, I went with S & W .357 for ease of learning, lack of misfire, and the fastest way to self confidence. Fire fight...no. Self defense and backup...YES.

 

 

Bingo. I just hooked up someone with a .38 compact. I wanted him to have something reasonably powerful, easy to use, easy to carry, dependable and with common ammo available. The only negatives to me for this thing is recoil and range, but he is a big boy and would not be using it for deer hunting.

 

No mags to deal with or load, no safety, buttons, latches, slides, springs, or anything else that can get a novice killed if they can't deal with it in pitch black on high adrenaline. It's easy to clean, you could wash it off in a puddle if you had to.

 

Simple is good. The two worst things that can happen, a boom when you want a click and a click when you want a boom.

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It is truly a decision that no one can truly make for you, it is all about you, your shooting style, comfort, for me you are way off base cuz I have never meet a polymer framed pistol I truly like, the feel and weight distribution are something I just can't completely get past, but then I learned on 1911s, Blackhawks,pythons,old berettas solid guns that in a pinch could double for a framing hammer.....but I do own two polymers a SW sigma that I really don't like but my 14 year old is getting pretty good with, and a keltec pf9 which is my EDC. But if I know I'm going to have to threw lead I'm grabbing my CZ 82 in 9mm mak because I hit best with it and in the end that is what counts no matter the caliber you have to be able to comfortably put hole exact where you intended.

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I also wanted to add my endorsement of the Springfield XD pistol(any caliber). I thought I was a confirmed Glockophile until I bought a service model 9mm. Sweet shooting, accurate ease if use is superb and it conceals well.(always dress around your EDC) I am in the process of getting additional XD pistols in 9mm and in .45ACP.

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Hey, if we're still talking about this, Ill throw in a shout out for the steyr M9-A1. Shot one yesterday in 9mm. Great pistol. Very simular to glock. a little cheaper than the glocks also.

 

Theres been alot of chatter about these lately on the net. So i found one at a range.

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IF, I could FIND a Steyr in my part if Utah, I would seriously consider one. So far, NO luck at all! I heard from one of the range commandos at a LGS, that Stays stopped importing them, have NOT found any verification of this at all. Anyone have a clue?

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I gotta put a plug in for considering a revolver...especially for new users who want to depend on it for defense. I too love the .45 ACP. Colt 1911 is what I teethed on. BUT for my wife and family who are brand new gun users, I went with S & W .357 for ease of learning, lack of misfire, and the fastest way to self confidence. Fire fight...no. Self defense and backup...YES.

 

Agree completely. I like the .357 because it also shoots .38 special and the extra weight tames a .38 recoil into almost nothing. An excellent first gun, backup gun or rough country gun unless you are in BIG Brown bear country. There, I'd want at least a .44 special or bigger.

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