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Ask any 10 preppers what they are prepping for and you'll get at least 6 different answers.

Shtf or Teotwawki most believe a large number of lives will be lost.

 

In this thread I am not asking for what you think will happen, only what percentage of the world population will perish do to whatever "happening" occurs.

 

I would guess in the scenario I think most likely that from 30 to 50% of the worlds population would be lost.

 

What do you think?

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I'm betting a higher percentage won't make it. If a worldwide outbreak of some virus happened ( ex- West Nile, not zombie) most of the world couldn't handle it. I'm guessing 25% at most survive and only due to immunities and substantial medical preps and maybe only because they live waaaaay out in the middle of nowhere.

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THere are those in power, not just in our own country but across the world that wish to see the population thinned out; and justify it by saying its for the 'greater good'. THe largest reason the Earth has the reached its current population are productive advances in Medicine and Sanitation. Since the CDC and other related contingencies are so effective; these Evils must find new creative ways for people to more-or-less die on thier own. At least slowing down the growth in population, postoning the inevitable.

 

In the case of a sweeping Pandemic, I believe we could see losses beteen 40-60%. The Bubonic Plague (which is still around today) swept through Europe in roughly 4 years (1347 to 1351)causing death to Millions. Back then they didnt have a CDC, but certain basic dynamics of society remain the same. We have Cities and rural villages. City water comes from a central source while villages pull from a closer natural source. Citys are supplied from the outside while villages are more self-sufficient. THis is the way of things. Even though society has changed and is more modern, the outbreak well be equally elegant. So I believe we can expect a similar death rate.

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Since we currently believe in the Socialist State of Massachusetts where the majority people demand that the government takes care of them, in the commonwealth nearly 75% of the sheep will be gone. Overall for the entire republic the number will be around half or a hair more.

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The flu pandemic of 1918 killed between 3 to 10 percent of the population based on estimates from around the world. It infected about 27%. It was unusual as it was found in healthy adults and not the elderly and young.

The black plague killed anywhere from 30 to 70% of populations depending on location.

 

So i will say 20% due to the event itself, 20% from starvation and 25% from disease. Thats 65% total.

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I think this is kind of one of those "How high is up??" questions. It all depends on what exactly happens. A big comet crash on the oceans will get 90%+. A planet wide plague will do in about half of us. A socioeconomic collapse that doesn't end in a nuclear war would only do in about 20% to 30% as long as it didn't lead to a total collapse of the food supply.

 

I think most likely is a socioeconomic collapse that will lead to some war but not total world war...that would be too expensive for struggling economies to support. Depending on where you live it will range from 75% death rate in third world countries that are dependent on foreign aid to feed their people to not much of anything in countries that are still primarily agricultural and not heavily developed. Hell there are people in Africa and South America that won't even notice that much of anything is happening.

 

In the US the death toll will be via civil unrest and possibly civil war. There is a just HUGE gap in the lifestyles and world views between the urban and rural populations. The collapse of the entitlement culture will make many if not most of the big cities uninhabitable. The survival rate among the drug addicted gangs will be close to ZERO. The fact is that the police and government protects the gangs and thugs from the good people a lot more than they protect the good folks from the criminals. With the collapse of the system the true law will return and that means a shoot on sight for a lot of gangs.

 

In rural Southern areas the regular people are well armed and legally allowed even now to protect themselves. Drugies have a way of showing up shot and dead when they try to move out of the cities. There just is a different mentality and that is going to make a lot of difference when the Feds aren't around forcing people to kiss the Gangs butts because they be minorities.

 

I expect Alaska and Texas will secede as soon as the Feds don't have the ability to enforce their crap on the producing states. Texas and Alaska are two of the poorest states yet both would be in the top ten richest countries if they were free to sell their oil and products in a FREE market. The cool thing is that with an all volunteer army most of the people in are from the more conservative areas. I mean how many green Bambi loving tree huggers are going to enlist???

 

With a major TEOTWAWKI situation survival of the fittest will reset and the definition of "The Fittest" will change. Right now thanks to our silly system the fittest are the stupid crack heads and criminals. They have a dozen kids while a hard working person will only have 1 or 2 at the most. Many have none!

 

When my wife was working in the prisons there was a dude that bragged that even though he had spent most of his life behind bars that he had 27 bastard children with 12 different women. His wonderful contribution to the gene pool makes him a LOT more successful than any good working class person. How long can this go on before the average person is just too dumb to function and support a mechanized civilization?

 

The important question isn't how many will die rather it is who will reseed the Earth after it is done. Will it be the children of the 75 IQ criminal or...???

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If Texas were to secede from the Union, do you think the average populace would welcome outsiders who wish to participate ?

 

we already have them they are called Illegal aliens no offense but Yankees have tried to come

here and say things like we did it this way up north WELL that is why it is so fu@ked up, up north

I hate it when some Nimrod tells me, well they do so and so in California or up east well it is not

working out for them is it and if they come down here will they drag their sh*t with them?

to me they are like an infection of over civilization and do not respect how others want to live

I do not mind people who want to live in the city but I am very pissed at them trying to make me

live by their rules I do not intrude into their life why must they push their way into mine.

 

There are many like minded people from everywhere they come to Texas to live the life

and that is fine to me I don't know how it will pan out if we decide to quit the union as Texas is the 4 or 6th

largest economy in the world I think California is number 2 or 3 but as you have seen if it is not run right

even the best economy can be brought down, it's scary and I cannot see how people in California

cannot see that it is not working when will they or can they open their eyes before they step off the edge.

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If Texas were to secede from the Union, do you think the average populace would welcome outsiders who wish to participate ?

 

Texas has its own power grid. That wouldn't be a bad move. I used to live in Texarkana. Maybe I could just walk a mile farther west, lol. Hey, I like Mack Brown and Longhorn football.

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Its easyer to control a population of 25% than 75%..

 

2 months of unstableness..and lack of supplys will kill 75%...

Its impossible to move enough supplys to feed ..

 

a population of 9,804,845 (2009 estimate).[1]

 

The Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI CSA combines the metropolitan areas of Chicago, Michigan City (in Indiana), and Kankakee (in Illinois). This area represents the extent of the labor market pool for the entire region. The CSA has a population of 9,804,845 (2009 estimate).[1]

 

 

Thats just 1 city...........................9million times 1800 calories per day pluss 1 galon of water for each..

 

The Black Plauge victims at least knew how to grow food and have some stored....how many in just the Chicago area have more than a weeks foor and water??

AND MEDICATION????

 

dont look good..JMO

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Snake, folks in Texas better start testing moronic New Englanders prior to letting them move to your state. I would pass your test but, in my educated opinion, less than 10% of Massachusetts people would be successful and rejected for immigration. Up here it is a minority of people that honor the Constitution. Hell, I bet less than 10% have READ the Constitution. Less than 5% know that President Lincoln violated the Constitution numerous times in his Civil War endeavors. Most northerners think that the Civil War was a war focused on ending slavery. True, ending slavery was a great byproduct of the war but it was not the goal of the war, like most people up here erroneously believe. Most northerners believe that the Constitution states that there is a ‘separation between church and state’ and the United States of America is a democracy and not a republic. They think that the Constitution grants ‘We the People’ our rights rather than just recognizing those God-given rights. And if the government gives, the government can take away.

 

Northerners – AKA sheeple – are ignorant, stupid, foolish, boorish, communist peckerwoods. If you want Texas to remain free, keep Massholes out of Texas! God Bless Texas… the place I want to retire and the place my wife was raised!

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Northerners – AKA sheeple – are ignorant, stupid, foolish, boorish, communist peckerwoods. If you want Texas to remain free, keep Massholes out of Texas! God Bless Texas… the place I want to retire and the place my wife was raised!

 

I claim immunity to that statement, being originally from backwoods Kentucky.

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Texas and Texans get along with most anyone that wants to be in Texas as it is. The problems start when they begin to try and reshape it into the image of the mess they came to Texas to get away from. Texans tend to be friendly and polite AS LONG AS YOU DO THE SAME. Where we are different is in our reaction to someone with a lack of manners. I have watched people from the New York area get in someones face screaming at them...they were SHOCKED when they found themselves on their ass with a bloody nose.

 

I admit it, a Texan is more than willing to fight if someone insults a woman or gets in our face. I ocassionally have to explain this to someone. If a lady says "excuse me" two or three times to a pin head that is blocking the door or isle and they just look at her like she is a bug I explain. I lean past the lady, put my face about an inch from theirs and BELLOW, ""Excuse me means GET THE F**K out of my WAY A%%HOLE!!!" Once they understand they are more than happy to comply.

 

I've explained this in several different states and once explained it is never any further problem. I guess if you aren't taught manners as a kid you just don't understand a polite request. M y Daddy made sure that I understood at a very young age. We are taught to respect our elders, say ma'am and sir, open doors for ladies, thank people for doing service for us and please is a magic word. Based on what I've seen these things are considered quaint in other areas.

 

The problem Yankees have when they come here is that a lot of what they considder as normal behavior we consider as rude as hell. Another place where we differ is in the fact that we see running you face and screaming at us means you want to fight and we are ever ready to oblige. That makes us barbarians in their eyes but to us their rude behavior is almost subhuman. Manners more than intelligence separates man from animals. Manners are what allows groups of people to cooperate, get along and build cultures that are larger than a pack.

 

Strange as it may seem, we get along pretty well. I think that this is in part because we are willing to fight for our way of life. Most of the racial problems in Texas come when the FEDs try and force their Yankee ways onto us or from outsiders trying to change us into another New York or California. We don't have riots because rioters give up their right to live the second they enter your place. We do have some Kluckers. I was raised next to a town full of the KKK nuts. They didn't really bother anyone much as long as they were left alone. Then the FEDs built a set of apartments and imported blacks from out of state to live in them. NOBODY in Texas would go there. Why would you want to do that??? This was like building a strip club in an Amish community. Actually, because it was guarded 24/7 by FED hired cops, they had little trouble until a couple of the Yankee blacks went to a near by town and got killed. After a hullabaloo it turned out that they were killed by other blacks in a drug deal.

 

Texas Mexicans are Texicans and a lot of them have been here for almost EVER. Some are actually Spanish and never were Mexicans as far as they are concerned. They are good people and even the KKK has no problem with them.

 

The reason I suspect we will part ways with the US if things go south is because of the same reason we tried once before. The freaking FEDs are bleeding us dry and at the same time cutting our financial throats. We are taxed almost into poverty while at the same time our oil is regulated such that it is not worth drilling for anymore...even if the FEDs would let us drill. Imagine how people in Nebraska would feel if the FEDs wouldn't let them plant corn or wheat because it was regulated. The FEDs want to wipe out the oil industry just like they did the coal industry and the Auto industry.

 

Word to the wise. The price of oil isn't going to be the cause of SUPER high gas prices. As our refineries are getting old the FEDs are not going to let us build new ones. When we have to import GASOLINE instead of oil THEN you will see high prices. The Federal Government knows that poverty stricken peasants are easier to control than a wealthy middle class. If you are broke and can't afford gas to go anywhere you might as well be a slave. You won't have to worry about ammo or gun control because you couldn't afford it if it was available.

 

Texas and Alaska will just lead the way. In the end if the US is going to survive it will be as the founding Fathers intended. United STATES that are each self governing and not as enslaved satellite states of a monster federal bureaucracy that only serves the needs of the few that can afford to buy freedom.

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I work in a large hospital in a large urban city in the south. We discuss these topics often. I can tell you from our discussions, including doctors, if something really bad happens we WON"T be there. You need to increase your medical supplies as you do your food and ammo. Take a first aid class, talk to your doctor and get extra meds and antibiotics but above all be prepared for no health care or very little, most likely government supplied. Our families come first.

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Here in Az we have 3 million people in a very dry desert who wll be looking for water. How many do you think will last past 1 week after the pumps stop if they are not ready. It will be nasty fighting over water for a few days then it will get quiet and smelly. S. Cal will be the same or worse.

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It's looking like 50% is the winner(as called by jcms).

 

New direction: Taking into consideration that perps by no means guaranty survival, and that each person has different skills,levels of preps....etc.;

 

What percentage of those who consider themselves Preppers WILL make it? Just your opinion. What do you THINK?

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I work in a large hospital in a large urban city in the south. We discuss these topics often. I can tell you from our discussions, including doctors, if something really bad happens we WON"T be there. You need to increase your medical supplies as you do your food and ammo. Take a first aid class, talk to your doctor and get extra meds and antibiotics but above all be prepared for no health care or very little, most likely government supplied. Our families come first.

 

Renee, Great first post I like truthful and direct I think too many want the coddled answer that we are here for

you like it's a duty well if your families and security can be intact OK but I understand if the social fabric

comes apart your going to protect your family I would hate to see it but you have to protect your own.

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For a decade I have been telling my wife that I want to move to Texas. We have lived all over the world and all over the USA. What I realized is that when the world and the rest of the United States have turned to socialism, Texas will still be Texas! Although I have read some recent ‘stuff’ that concerns me. I see a liberal influence getting into Texas. Protect her! Don’t let that happen!!

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The Black Death was one of the most devastating pandemics in human history. The Black Death is estimated to have killed 30–60 percent of Europe's population[3] and reduced the world population from an estimated 450 million to between 350 and 375 million in the 14th century. The aftermath of the plague created a series of religious, social and economic upheavals, which had profound effects on the course of European history. It took 150 years for Europe's population to recover. The plague occasionally reoccurred in Europe until the 19th century.Can we called this a Doom scenario,you bet,as long as we humans continue to play God,we will created another wave of death and Gluttony has alot to do with it.

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