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Solicitation From The National Weather Service Requests Huge Ammo Purchase

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Clerical error? Or is their more to the story? Is the Federal government predicting civil unrest or are hollow point bullets really required for training?

 

http://www.infowars.com/national-weather-service-follows-dhs-in-huge-ammo-purchase/

 

UPDATE: NOAA claimed this was a clerical error, the ammo purchased for the National Weather Service is actually being sent to Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement according to NOAA. The call was for 46,000 rounds and 500 paper targets.

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https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=6c39a2a9f00a10187a1432388a3301e5&tab=core&_cview=0&fb_source=message

 

Social Security Administration also purchasing hollow point bullets in bulk, 174,000 rounds. What does the SSA need with 174,000 rounds of hollow point? The bullets are being taken too 41 SSA facilities. It seems reasonable to believe that the SSA is gearing up for possible social unrest, especially taking into account the amount of citizens on social security.

 

Back in March, the Department of Homeland Security bought up 450 million rounds of hollow point, followed by a solicitation for another 750 million.

 

Hollow points are designed to kill and not wound their target, that's why police often carry hollow point while on duty. These bullets are made for self defense so its interesting to note their purchase by seemingly "benign" government agencies.

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Precisely, it was also leaked by Reuters that the Federal Reserve has been working with several of the countries largest banks on contingency plans in case of economic turmoil. The information was only brought to light through a Freedom Of Information Act request done by Reuters.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/10/us-banks-recoveryplans-idUSBRE87905N20120810

 

But of course, we don't need The Fed to tell us the economies spiraling out of control, especially since their the ones that caused it.

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That's what I'm trying to find out. Why would these agencies buy HOLLOW POINT bullets along with paper targets. Certainly that cant just be for training purposes. And what is the DHS doing with over 1 million rounds of it. Maybe they know somethings coming and are getting prepared to protect their assets, or these agencies are just a cover and they'll be sending the ammo to the DHS or national guard. It's interesting to note that under the Geneva convention hollow point bullets are not allowed to be used in warfare (although ironically DU is) but it is allowed to be used domestically. So that begs the question, what is the DHS, FLE and SSA doing with so much hollow point? The bullets are top grade according to the solicitations and it would be a waste to use that kind of ammo for target shooting.

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First I concur on the bad vibes these purchases send off. The reason they buy only hollow point and target practice with it, is like the military and competition shooters, you practice with the rounds you will use when "it" is on the line. It costs more, but I practice with the rounds I carry for defense, as when TSHTF, I want to know exactly how my sidearm will perform. I also practice with matched field points and broadheads with my bow and even use the broadheads to make sure they fly true to the field points.

 

Also, remember the Geneva Convention (a joke) only LEGALLY applies to a declared war. Police actions are exempt from the technicalities of the convention and the "law of land warfare". The US observes these agreements (even when engaging terrorists except hostage scenarios) but I will guarantee that if it is a domestic dispute, they will use any and all ammo available, as they are more concerned with public image than anything else and if they are fighting the public, they won't need to worry about the image.

LEO uses hollow points for a few reasons; 1) stopping percentage goes up with use due to higher trauma, 2) hollow points are less likely to overpenetrate into bystanders, 3) (IMO) they hope the perception of the public knowing they carry it will help deter some from wanting to "shoot it out". These are just my opinion but based personal lessons and reading the after action reviews and commentary from witnesses.

 

Also, DHS will probably take command under martial law to allow the use of this ammo (even by the military) as it will be a law enforcement action and not war; therefore, immune from the Geneva and Hague Conventions and the Law of Land Warfare. The stockpiling is definitely a concerning factor for me and maybe they just bought that much so they can actually teach their agents to hit a target a majority of the time as they have never impressed me in their abilities. I'm with you all in the belief that the soliciatations are NOT in my best interest but I try and overlook my distrust and loathing of the fed gov't to be objective..... I fail normally...lol.

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Who Does The Government Intend To Shoot?

By Major General Jerry Curry, USA (Ret.)

 

" In March DHS ordered 750 million rounds of hollow point ammunition. It then turned around and ordered an additional 750 million rounds of miscellaneous bullets including some that are capable of penetrating walls. This is enough ammunition to empty five rounds into the body of every living American citizen. Is this something we and the Congress should be concerned about? What’s the plan that requires so many dead Americans, even during times of civil unrest?"

 

The Social Security Administration (SSA) confirms that it is purchasing 174 thousand rounds of hollow point bullets to be delivered to 41 locations in major cities across the U.S. No one has yet said what the purpose of these purchases is, though we are led to believe that they will be used only in an emergency to counteract and control civil unrest. Those against whom the hollow point bullets are to be used — those causing the civil unrest — must be American citizens; since the SSA has never been used overseas to help foreign countries maintain control of their citizens.

 

What would be the target of these 174, 000 rounds of hollow point bullets? It can’t simply be to control demonstrators or rioters. Hollow point bullets are so lethal that the Geneva Convention does not allow their use on the battle field in time of war. Hollow point bullets don’t just stop or hurt people, they penetrate the body, spread out, fragment and cause maximum damage to the body’s organs. Death often follows.

 

Potentially each hollow nose bullet represents a dead American. If so, why would the U.S. government want the SSA to kill 174,000 of our citizens, even during a time of civil unrest? Or is the purpose to kill 174,000 of the nation’s military and replace them with Department of Homeland Security (DHS) special security forces, forces loyal to the Administration, not to the Constitution?

 

All my life I’ve handled firearms. When a young boy growing up on my father’s farm in Pennsylvania Dad’s first rule of firearms training was, “Never point a gun at someone, in fun or otherwise, unless you intend to shoot them. If you shoot someone, shoot to kill.” I’ve never forgotten his admonition. It stayed with me through my Boy Scout training, when I enlisted in the army as a Private to fight in the Korea

War, during my days as a Ranger and Paratrooper and throughout my thirty-four year military career.

 

If this were only a one time order of ammunition, it could easily be dismissed. But there is a pattern here. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has ordered 46,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition. Notice that all of these purchases are for the lethal hollow nose bullets. These bullets are not being purchased and stored for squirrel or coyote hunting. This is serious ammunition manufactured to be used for serious purposes.

 

In the war in Iraq, our military forces expended approximately 70 million rounds per year. In March DHS ordered 750 million rounds of hollow point ammunition. It then turned around and ordered an additional 750 million rounds of miscellaneous bullets including some that are capable of penetrating walls. This is enough ammunition to empty five rounds into the body of every living American citizen. Is this something we and the Congress should be concerned about? What’s the plan that requires so many dead Americans, even during times of civil unrest? Has Congress and the Administration vetted the plan in public.

 

I fear that Congress won’t take these ammunition purchases seriously until they are all led from Capitol Hill in handcuffs. Why buy all this ammunition unless you plan to use it. Unknown to Congress, Does DHS plan to declare war on some country? Shouldn’t Congress hold hearings on why the Administration is stockpiling this ammunition all across the nation? How will it be used; what are the Administration’s plans?

 

Obama is a deadly serious, persistent man. Once he focuses on an object, he pursues it to the end. What is his focus here? All of these rounds of ammunition can only be used to kill American citizens, though there is enough ammunition being ordered to kill, in addition to every American citizen, also every Iranian, Syrian or Mexican. There is simply too much of it. And this much ammunition can’t be just for training, there aren’t that many weapons and “shooters” in the U.S. to fire it. Perhaps it is to be used to arm illegal immigrants?

 

We have enough military forces to maintain law and order in the U.S. even during times of civil unrest.

 

We have local police, backed up by each state’s National Guard, backed up by the Department of Defense. So in addition to all these forces why does DHS need its own private army? Why do the SSA, NOAA and other government agencies need to create their own civilian security forces armed with hollow nose bullets?

 

Were I the JCS, and if I wasn’t already fully briefed on this matter, I’d stop the purchase of hollow point bullets, ask the secretary of Defense why all this ammunition is being purchased and spread around the country? If I got answers like the ones Congress got during the investigation of Operation Fast and Furious – I’d start tracking all ammunition deliveries nationwide to find out what organizations and units are using them, for what purpose and, if it is not constitutional, prepare to counteract whatever it is that they are doing.

 

This is a deadly serious business. I hope I’m wrong, but something smells rotten. And If the Congress isn’t going to do its duty and investigate this matter fully, the military will have to protect the Constitution, the nation, and our citizens.

 

Jerry Curry is a decorated combat veteran, Army Aviator, Paratrooper, and Ranger, who for nearly forty years has served his country both in the military and as a Presidential political appointee.

 

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/17/who-does-the-government-intend-to-shoot/#ixzz24BDwLah8

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Well guys, according to these, there might just hafta be a lot of inforceing done.

 

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

 

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

 

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

 

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

 

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

 

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

 

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the of all persons. Postmaster General to operate a national registration

 

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

 

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

 

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

 

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

 

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

 

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

 

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

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OK, I was once IN Federal law enforcement, and the US Fish and Wildlife Services agents DO carry firearms and are sworn federal agents. Their agency order for the rounds and the 500 targets is about average for what they issue and TRAIN with annually, so no big deal for them at all.

However, DHS buying 450 million rounds at once? Maybe ATK (CCI, Speed) made them a happening deal, maybe Janet "call me Butch" Napolitano is stocking up, (we are aren't we? If not you should be)

Or maybe DHS is just a front for the NWO cabal being put together by the CFR-Trilateralists-Soros Disciples. I would be willing to bet however, it is the pogues at DHS, trying to get the ammo purchase done before Congress tanks their funding, use it or lose it. I was in the Federal system, there are not a lot of intellectually gifted folks there, some outstanding cops, but remember most FBI agents and DHS agents have never even made a misdemeanor arrest in their entire career. So before we start assuming it is a giant conspiracy, remember WHAT (how competent) we are dealing with here first. OK?

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Malcolm, you make a huge point. And I'm not trying to go all, everythings a conspiracy here. And you drive a good point, but their is still no clear and definite answer as to why all these arms of government are requesting ammo. Thats a lot of ammo, perhaps they see what we see. If their is an economic collapse per say they will need it. Is that why they have it? Are they just stocking up before they can't? Who can say for sure.

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I am still going to be "positive"(I know a HUGE shock since I'm an admitted cynical pessimist) but I am willing to bet that it's a budget decision, more volume, better deal, hence the standardization into .40 caliber ammo. The feds LOVE logistically attractive one-size-fits-all supplies, as does the military.

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THis thread made me think of a few lines from 'We were Soldiers'

 

Colonal says to Master Sgt 'Are you sure you dont want one of those new M16s' (or in our day itd be the 5.56/223 clone)

M Sgt says: 'Nah, where we're goin, therell be plenty laying on the ground'

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I have recently been shooting with several different Fed friends-multiple agencies, during their firearms qualifications. Um,

FEW placed their rounds on the target paper much less made it to the COM. I have no idea if certain Communists within the current administration, are going to turn over the gazillion of rounds being stockpiled to the alleged 20K Russian sleeper agents "inserted" into this country.(according to a couple of foil hat websites) I DO know that from what I have observed one of the SAFEST PLACES to be when many feds are shooting, is in front of them! I believe the average firearms owners has far better skills! Not a advocating shagging bullets with one's forehead, but, being cynically "funny". It is "easy" to "qualify" when the tests are dumbed DOWN to fit the worst performers and "demographic requirements" in Federalese.

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The last time I was in the SSA office for my wife's name change I recall seeing a uniformed individual with a sidearm and cuffs. Now to Malcom's point, I am not too terribly sure if he could hit anything or even find the firearm for that matter....this particular gentlemen was of rather large stature and I am not too sure he was able to even see his belt. I would have to agree that if we are stocking up-it only makes sense for them to do the same.

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Large stature or OOOOOObese? There IS a difference! Many sea offices now have a uniformed armed contract security guard there for some "purpose", perhaps it is to give the impression that the SSA is "protected" and Officer Lardass, will "remove you from the premises" if you object to the personalities of the federal employees.

OK, you bet.

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The last time I was in the SSA office for my wife's name change I recall seeing a uniformed individual with a sidearm and cuffs. Now to Malcom's point, I am not too terribly sure if he could hit anything or even find the firearm for that matter....this particular gentlemen was of rather ROUND stature and I am not too sure he was able to even see his belt. I would have to agree that if we are stocking up-it only makes sense for them to do the same.

 

There...fixed it for ya.

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