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Kevin, I agree. Practice the most primitive means of every skill needed and doing so with modern items will be more like being home than "roughing it" (altho you need to practice with the modern gear as well).

 

Agreed Rick.

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Such important points to make! Buying power alone will only help you so long as 1. you use it to surround yourself with people who know what they are doing and are willing to carry you in exchange for money/supplies, 2. the people you are with/people you encounter don't take it from you by force, and 3. it lasts.

 

If you're on your own and unskilled, money/tools you can't use won't be worth anything. If you are unable to defend yourself/your property, money/tools will likely be what encourages someone else to rob/kill you. And if you are unskilled and your supplies/money are anything other than endless, when they run out, whatever help you've "purchased" or been able to eke out for yourself will go away, too, leaving you as useless and vulnerable as you were when TSHTF except that now it's weeks or months later and everyone else who has survived is smarter and tougher than they were when it first happened.

 

As for the bullets for barter idea, that makes as much sense to me as gathering silver and gold for future trading. Ideally, you'd have both ammo and silver set aside for barter in your preps. But it seems unlikely that silver is going to have as much buying power as you'd hope for when things initially go down because people who weren't fully prepared are going to be scrambling to find useful items to help them survive. The things you can use will be in greater demand, especially when there's a lot of chaos and disruption. Ammo is an immensely useful supply, I'm sure we could all agree, whereas it seems like silver is truly become useful after there's some measure of regular trade going on.

 

Very well thought out I agree on many levels for most preppers this is a plan with much merit.

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Here is 4 days worth.................

13. Never but never try to adjust a off center pasty on a pole dancer they do not appreciate symmetry as much as you think.

 

Now there is a nugget of wisdom! :D

 

Snake, you always make it worthwhile to THOROUGHLY read your posts!

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Agreed Awake. I normally use my muzzleloaders or 45 Colt rifle for deer hunting. Also, as JCMS has stated several times, when most are figuring out if the added weight of 300 rounds is too much, with a 22lr, you can carry 3000 rounds and probably not have as much weight.

 

If I've ask this before, my apologies - I used to remember what getting older caused but I've forgotten.

 

What do you consider the max effective range is on your .45 Colt rifle? I've always said it is good to 100 yards but I strongly suspect that is a minimum. I've not hunted with mine so I'm curious as to your experience.

 

Thanks.

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Such important points to make! Buying power alone will only help you so long as 1. you use it to surround yourself with people who know what they are doing and are willing to carry you in exchange for money/supplies, 2. the people you are with/people you encounter don't take it from you by force, and 3. it lasts.

 

If you're on your own and unskilled, money/tools you can't use won't be worth anything. If you are unable to defend yourself/your property, money/tools will likely be what encourages someone else to rob/kill you. And if you are unskilled and your supplies/money are anything other than endless, when they run out, whatever help you've "purchased" or been able to eke out for yourself will go away, too, leaving you as useless and vulnerable as you were when TSHTF except that now it's weeks or months later and everyone else who has survived is smarter and tougher than they were when it first happened.

 

As for the bullets for barter idea, that makes as much sense to me as gathering silver and gold for future trading. Ideally, you'd have both ammo and silver set aside for barter in your preps. But it seems unlikely that silver is going to have as much buying power as you'd hope for when things initially go down because people who weren't fully prepared are going to be scrambling to find useful items to help them survive. The things you can use will be in greater demand, especially when there's a lot of chaos and disruption. Ammo is an immensely useful supply, I'm sure we could all agree, whereas it seems like silver is truly become useful after there's some measure of regular trade going on.

 

OC,

agree about silver. It will have value going INTO TSHTF and coming OUT of TSHTF but during the middle of the event, not so much. It is a hedge against worthless, paper currency but currency (as opposed to barter) requires some kind of formal structure to work.

 

As far as .22LR (or any ammo for that matter) I have a real disagreement with lots of folks here. Depending on the event and its estimated duration, I have a REAL problem with the idea of giving guns or ammo to someone I don't know extremely well. If it is for a week or two while recovering from a hurricane, maybe. If it is an open ended TEOTWAWKI, I doubt it. If YOU want to give ME ammo for a little salt or honey, sure, I'll take that in trade. I will NOT be handing out ammo as I think arming someone who may then decide to 'sweeten' the deal by adding a few additional items to the trade is risky. Threat levels vary but I just don't plan on using ANY of my ammo as currency.

 

Others greatly disagree but that is what I judge to be prudent.

 

Just my not so humble opinion.

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If I've ask this before, my apologies - I used to remember what getting older caused but I've forgotten.

 

What do you consider the max effective range is on your .45 Colt rifle? I've always said it is good to 100 yards but I strongly suspect that is a minimum. I've not hunted with mine so I'm curious as to your experience.

 

Thanks.

 

Capt, on deer sized game I would not hesitate to take a shot at 300 yrds seeing how it has performed at 250. I figure it would probably be effective even further, but during routine hunting, I don't plan on trying it. I try to get as close as possible for a shot.

If I had to use it for a defensive tool, I think it could be extended to 500 easily since 2 legged varmints are softer skinned and "weaker" than most 4 legged varmints. The trajectory will be a little more of an "arc" at that range.

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I have VERY mixed feelings about .22 LR ammo as a barter currency. On one hand, I can see the viability of having a few extra thousand rounds for barter. On the other hand, I can see the viability of being "known" as someone with ammo for trade.

As I no longer am able to move as fast as I did in my misspent youth, I am not looking forward to diving for hard cover in the event my barter comes back at me at Felony Factor 15.(or worse, I never HEAR the ammo coming back...)

I would trade with a few very trusted long time friends or my immediate family members.

I am a huge fan of the lowly .22 LR round. I have also never seen anyone volunteer to be shot with a lowly .22 round either.

I have seen /witnessed shootings in my law enforcement career wherein people shot with the .22 dropped like bad habits, or loped off like a scalded dog to continue their predation before expiring much later.(shot placement is key with ANY caliber)

I have personally witnessed suspects shot with 00buck shot center mass turn then run several blocks before we (finally) found their location. I have witnessed only one "shooting" from an A-10 when I was in the USAF, wherein the subjects were immediately rendered harmless. Alas, most of us do not have access to a fully equipped A-10 and pilot, so, the .22 is far better than a baseball bat.(just my personal opinion is all)

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i would only barter with the things i had a surplus of......and i never have enough ammo.

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lol....between us i bet we keep a couple of eastern block nations in business with just the ammo sales.

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Great thoughts. I do like how you menioned Doomsday preppers. I honestly like the show, but i do not set my preps up like these people do. To me, it seemed like at first, the people were actual preppers. but later in the season, it was barelly one person who could be a serious prepper. half of the people seemed like super coupon clippers. i wish i could do that, but if i could get 3,4, or $500 worth of groceries, i would stock what i needed and gave the rest to families in my town that couldnt afford groceries. It did seem very quickly there were too many people on that show that looked like they were handed a blank check and told to go get what they think will save them from a D-Day situation.

 

I admire every persons opinion, i didn't fight for our right to shut the hell up. I fought for our rights to say whats on our minds, right or wrong. Just dont force your opinion down my throat, and i wont shove my fist down yours you know?

 

When it all boils down, the only things that will save you if you need it, is your ability to adapt to any situation, and overcome. Improvise, adapt, overcome.

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When it all boils down, the only things that will save you if you need it, is your ability to adapt to any situation, and overcome. Improvise, adapt, overcome.

 

And you got that philosophy from the Air Force, right? :P

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Great thoughts. I do like how you menioned Doomsday preppers. I honestly like the show, but i do not set my preps up like these people do. To me, it seemed like at first, the people were actual preppers. but later in the season, it was barelly one person who could be a serious prepper. half of the people seemed like super coupon clippers. i wish i could do that, but if i could get 3,4, or $500 worth of groceries, i would stock what i needed and gave the rest to families in my town that couldnt afford groceries. It did seem very quickly there were too many people on that show that looked like they were handed a blank check and told to go get what they think will save them from a D-Day situation.

 

I admire every persons opinion, i didn't fight for our right to shut the hell up. I fought for our rights to say whats on our minds, right or wrong. Just dont force your opinion down my throat, and i wont shove my fist down yours you know?

 

When it all boils down, the only things that will save you if you need it, is your ability to adapt to any situation, and overcome. Improvise, adapt, overcome.

 

Welcome, USMC-Survivor. Thank you for your service. I also watched D-day preppers - a few had some good ideas, most did seem like they were selling something or didn't have a clue about what they were doing. A few were actually scary!

 

The problem is that the things we fought for allow the enemies of freedom to use America's freedoms to try to destroy her.

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