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I couldn't really see where to put this topic, but yes its mostly about peanut butter.

 

Simple question, should you have a jar of peanut butter in your BOB?

 

I can't see a reason why not besides it takes up space but...

 

For a survival food, chocolate is a good way to go, but isn't peanut butter better?

 

Pros-

 

When its empty you have a jar.

 

It contains a lot of nutrients, and has calories and protein.

 

It seems pretty compact for the nutritional value.

 

It can be mixed with other things that taste bad, to make them taste good.

 

Can also be used as bait!

 

I just haven't heard it mentioned a lot, should we have peanut butter in our BoB? Or in our doomsday pantry?

 

 

What other foods are on the top of the list for fat and calories?

 

(I find it kind of funny, people die from eating fatty foods but we have it in our BoB for survival :D)

 

Chocolate

 

Peanut Butter

 

What else?

 

What if you had a jar of plain (Canola, Olive, Melted butter?) oil? (Oil is extremely calorie dense but is it healthy to straight up drink?)

 

(Beef Jerky?)

 

 

I'm not an expert, but I will do some research and update too, nutrition is a key factor in survival.

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Peanut better is good and if you get the MRE variety (in little squeeze packets), it can be eaten while walking on the trail. I carried "homemade" trailmix in Iraq and it kept well there. I kept it in sealed jars and put it in ziplock bags for travel. Chocolate is good, but the melting issue rayz brought up can add a mess and draw insects, which can pose other issues. Learning to make true pemmican (reference "Survival Eating" on the main site for a website with recipes), not store bought jerky, is a great source of food and will keep forever. Jerky is good, just alot of chemicals added, and is another food that can be eaten while walking.

Olive oil would be a good item, if easily packable. I also carry vinegar to use as a "salad dressing" for foraged greens like dandelions.

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We buy twin-packs of peanut butter (large jars) from Sams Club. It is a good source of fat-energy and it keeps for a long time (our oldest jars have been in storage for 3 years - just opened a jar last week - the contenst are as fresh as a new jar). Whether or not to store it totally depends on how much you like peanut butter.

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In Enterprise, Alabama, there is a statue of Victory holding up a HUGE boll weevil monument

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise,_Alabama

because the weevil destroyed the cotton crop and Enterprise had to go to the peanut for survival. They soon became the peanut producing capital of the US and prospered. The only drawback that peanut butter has is the sugar content but that isn't bad in a survival situation either.

I keep quite a bit of it around. There's a jar sitting on my desk at work just in case I get the munchies during the day. If you want to help someone else out, a jar of peanut butter and a 4 sleeve box of crackers can keep a family going for a few days.

Olive oil is decent stuff. You can burn it in a lamp for light, use it for cooking, for salad dressing, for medicinal ointment and if drunk 15 minutes before a drinking bout you will positively drink the other guy under the table (no, don't even ask).

I don't have food allergies but I guess that is something that you'd need to be aware of before stocking a lot of it. You can make your own - only down side is that it tends to separate into oil and solid. Still good, you just have to mix it back up. Peanuts are good by themselves but I don't know what their storage life is.

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We buy twin-packs of peanut butter (large jars) from Sams Club. It is a good source of fat-energy and it keeps for a long time (our oldest jars have been in storage for 3 years - just opened a jar last week - the contenst are as fresh as a new jar). Whether or not to store it totally depends on how much you like peanut butter.

 

My point in this post - if your family doesn't like it (food), don't store it. It's a waste of your time, storage space, economic resources, and most importantly your family will likely still resist eating it - thus they may not get the nutrition they need in a critical situation

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Capt, also by making your own, you would avoid the preservatives (which can cause less of a shelf life) but honey can be added, which will act as a preservative (not sure how long tho).

I too use alot of PB in the family pantry. My 4 year old will grab a sleeve of crackers and a jar and is more content than if I gave her a candy bar.

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instant oatmeal packets are nice and light weight for a BOB and doesn't need to be cooked but you need to have water to mix in other wise it contributes to dehydration. And the big Costco cans of oat meal are a good dooms day pantry "part of this balanced breakfast".

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powered peanut butter

 

can be bought in #10 cans from a few places I have listed on other threads

beware that peanut butter is one of the top allergy foods especially dangerous to children

as long as every on can tolerate it its great stuff I like the powdered but water is need to reconstitute

but its light but as mentioned the MRE packets are available at beprepared.com call hard to find on the site

they have packet water MRE accessory packs crackers peanut butter jelly etc... remember they last about 5 years depends on temp stored

 

honey packets from chicken places is good and ketchup makes tomato soup.

a tooth pick in water was called a pine float that's how broke they were and stealing an piece of fruit was good for 30 days on the "farm" a jail that made you work off your sentence doing farm work like hoeing and

digging of course you got fed very meager portions and the good stuff was sold to local restaurants.

 

O yea the government really took care of us during the depression and it will come back you folks

need to see the movie "the grapes of wrath" and "emperor of the north" if things get bad enough these

situations will return I am not that old but I remember you could shoot looters during a catastrophe.

 

as far as peanut butter 2 tbsp 190 calories salt 6% dv 2% fiber vitamin E 10% niacin 20% riboflavin 2%

trans fat 0 13 grams good fat 3 saturated about 15% potassium 5% iron 4% dv DV =daily value

now add raisins and oatmeal and honey sounds like a great BO food and cheap remember peanut butter

change every year or two as it gets a rancid taste the oil in the mix gets oxidation and tastes funky.

in fact oatmeal, peanut butter, raisins, ketchup and honey crackers all these together with a daily vitamin would

keep you going quite while and none of these except ketchup goes bad and even that takes awhile.. in a

foil packet seem to last quite a while.

everyone forgets vitamins DON'T they are light and make up for missed vitamins in food night vision goes

due to being vitamin deficient strength ebbs but they must be taken with food and sufficient water or

cramping gas and general discomfort can be a problem.

 

I like the packet idea put forth in this thread earlier taking it a step further other packet foods from MRE's

sounds great.

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In Enterprise, Alabama, there is a statue of Victory holding up a HUGE boll weevil monument

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise,_Alabama

because the weevil destroyed the cotton crop and Enterprise had to go to the peanut for survival. They soon became the peanut producing capital of the US and prospered.

 

Haha. I was born there! Well, on Ft Rucker. the Army base near there.

 

I keep a fist sized jar in my BOB as well as a large un-opened jar in the pantry for hard times. Olive oil too.

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I'm definitely a fan of peanut butter as survival BoB stuff. Very high calories to portion weight. Store bought commercial stuff, not super healthy as a regular staple, but for emergency calories the sugar and preservative stuff are great short term addition with no refrigeration needed.

 

And a special nod to it's use as a bait. Turn a 1/4 dab of it into a 3-4 oz of squirrel with some trap setting.

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I'm sure that Capt. Bart will remember this - In 1968-1969 in Vietnam, the military was in a changeover from C-Rations to MRE's - we got both. We would take a small C-ration can of peanut butter, mix lighter fluid with it (that combination burns quite hot and for a long time) and use it as a heat source (kind of like an improvised "Sterno") for cooking (we also used small chunks of C4 from a Claymore as a cooking heat source.)

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I'm sure that Capt. Bart will remember this - In 1968-1969 in Vietnam, the military was in a changeover from C-Rations to MRE's - we got both. We would take a small C-ration can of peanut butter, mix lighter fluid with it (that combination burns quite hot and for a long time) and use it as a heat source (kind of like an improvised "Sterno") for cooking (we also used small chunks of C4 from a Claymore as a cooking heat source.)

And if you put an unopened can of peanut butter on a chunk of burning C4, the peanut butter would vent enough steam to rupture the lid of the can (think tuna fish can about 1/4 in high) and throw the contents into the air. The guy that caught it had a fairly decent peanut butter cookie.

C4 burns nicely as a fuel unless it is contained. I was close to the 24th Evac Hospital and they got a guy in there who made the mistake of trying to stomp out the burning C4. The resulting explosion took off a good chunk of his foot. Be care when playing with stuff like that. (My unit provided air support for a SEAL group; they took a liking to me (who said SEALs don't have good taste?) and I learned some 'interesting' things).

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I saw on the news last night that Peanut Butter is going to go up over 40% a jar. A ton of raw peanuts has gone from $450/ton to $1100/ton. The news said this was a result of the weather. Probably true but the simple fact is that it gets more expensive each month to get the things we may need.

 

I strongly urge everyone to prioritize their preps and start as soon as possible to get what you need. It is only going to get more expensive as the world slides into its economic hole.

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I was close to the 24th Evac Hospital and they got a guy in there who made the mistake of trying to stomp out the burning C4. The resulting explosion took off a good chunk of his foot. Be care when playing with stuff like that. (My unit provided air support for a SEAL group; they took a liking to me (who said SEALs don't have good taste?) and I learned some 'interesting' things).

 

Really? Cause they JUST tested this on Mythbusters, they even shot the burning C4 and it didn't go off. Maybe they've changed the formula over the years.

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Really? Cause they JUST tested this on Mythbusters, they even shot the burning C4 and it didn't go off. Maybe they've changed the formula over the years.

Haven't seen that episode but shooting an explosive is not quite what you normally see in the movies. I'm not surprised that C4 didn't pop when shot. The pressure front from the bullet is no where close to the shock of an exploding detonator. As I was given to understand, the problem the guy at the 24th had was that he tried to stomp out C4 that had already ignited. Like any explosive, it has it's own oxidizer in it (that's why it works underwater for example) so when his boot started crushing the can the stuff was burning in, the flame front moved rather rapidly inward as the pressure built. Because of the geometry, it was a relatively low yield explosion but it was enough to do considerable damage. Once the shock front starts moving in the block, the bang results. Remember detonator caps and det cord are both significant explosives in their own right. Stepping on a block of C4 does nothing unless it is already ignited.

I'll watch for that episode of Mythbusters. I've seen some good stuff from them and some things they just plain get wrong because they don't set up the initial conditions correctly.

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..wow from peanut butter to c-4 .....awesome..:)

Yep, we can BLOW UP almost anything!:D I can only report what they said happened of course since I wasn't there. Could be they were trying something even dumber than stomping on burning explosive and just didn't want to admit to what they were doing. After all, we were young and invincible (spelled S-T-U-P-I-D) back then.

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OK now:

 

well not that it has happened but I do not want anyone hollering at me for hijacking a thread.

LMAO rayz is right.

 

and livingrey and capt bart your scaring the children.

 

and I am trying to figure this out K rations they came before C rations what I want to know was how bad

was the rest of the alphabet if it never made it to the front.

Then LRP rations now MRE's nasty, the only thing I like in them is the freeze dried items an the accessories

bag I would rather eat the toilet paper than the black beans and rice I can see the V.A. treating

gastrointestinal disorders in the future.

and questions included in the health workup can you crap through a screen door and is there any residue

stuck to the screen, if so does it look like black bean skins?

of course the would be called BBP black bean poisoning or TFS as in toxic fruitcake syndrome.

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honey can be added, which will act as a preservative (not sure how long tho).

 

I'm glad to see another 'Honey' advocate. I do mix it with the Peanut Butter as a preservative AND I actually carry packets in my BOB. Honey is the Only food on Earth that will not spoil. IF it hardens, heat it and it will return to its liquid state. What food are you carrying that won't spoil?

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I'm glad to see another 'Honey' advocate. I do mix it with the Peanut Butter as a preservative AND I actually carry packets in my BOB. Honey is the Only food on Earth that will not spoil. IF it hardens, heat it and it will return to its liquid state. What food are you carrying that won't spoil?

 

It is a medical fact, Doc Bones or Nurse Amy can confirm this, that bacteria will NOT grow in honey. Something about nectar that has be consumed and regurgitated multiple times just will not support any of the little nasties. (Bee puke is good stuff - go figure) It can even be used to protect a wound from infection.

 

When I was much younger I tried to feed a science experiment at school with honey to help the little critters grow. Killed them all - I never fessed up so if my 3rd grade science teacher sees this, I'm sorry:o

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Peanut butter,its what I lived off for a while,my wife is a typ 2 diabetic and I have it stock pilled(ya Sams club).

C rations...........left over from KOREA.......camels and Palmals in 100 no filters..biscuts that were the best way from ever haveing to use the potty again and caned meat that was a surprice.Oh BABY...I carried 100 marks or more to the field every time we went(6 months out of a year) Guest house are a wonderfull thing.Honey is also a wonderfull thing and great in toddies to keep you warm in tea.

NOW about the C4 issue.........

ITS the excaping gasses that are deadley...2200 ft per second..and he was luckey he had a foot left,My favorite tool is C4..it will do anything I ask it to do,given enough.Knock down trees,cuts steel,throws steel in pellets or larger forms, and you can cook with it..IM IN LOVE......................ooops if there is an X CID person out there please just ignore this post and no I had nothing to do with the stove that went up while training with the french.We all said it was the guys from Canada...realy....

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You guys are sure bringing back some memories! Great thing about C-rations you ate one meal and you're not hungry for the rest of the time while you're in the field. The stuff just sat in your gut!

But about PB, I found 3-packs in the .99 store that I bought for this purpose. Each one enough for a quick snack with some crackers, without having to deal with a mess or carrying the weight from a largely empty jar. Regular size I use frequently and is definitely part of the stock. Somebody mentioned the increase in prize, heard the same thing on CNBC.

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