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CNN morning never covers the news but they are sure covering this. They normally ignore the news intentionally but; this advances there line on gun control so they are all over it.

You can bet that Obama and the Obama administration are loving this.

 

What do you do in this situation? Nothing that I use for EDC would have been benificial here.

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I think this might a very negative effect on preppers/survivalists depending on the details of the shooter. I read that he had an assault type weapon and two handguns. Also was wearing a riot helmet and bulletproof vest. I dont think there is any way to be prepared for a situation like this other then to always be aware of your surroundings.

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To begin with I pray for the victims, and loved ones of those involved.

 

This is the second shooting to occur recently. I think another one happened in Alabama earlier in the week, it appears to be gang related though. It's always interesting to read the reports from the media when one of these incidents occurs. Here are a couple of lines that jumped out at me.

 

The gunman never had to reload. Shots just kept going, kept going, kept going," one witness told ABC News. (fodder for an assault weapon/high cap magazine ban.)

 

Hundreds of police and FBI agents are involved in the investigation. A senior official who is monitoring the situation in Washington said that early guidance based on the early snapshot of this man's background indicated that this act does not appear to be linked to radical terrorism or anything related to Islamic terrorism. (I dont recall any account of Federal authorities responding to the shooting in Alabama, could be wrong. How do you rule out anything this early into an investigation?)

 

We play the "what if game" at my house and when running errands. We discussed a scenario similar to this while enjoying a movie in a theatre a few weeks ago. I always carry, I would engage and stop the threat using the least amount of force necessary. If for some reason I couldnt engage or stop the threat. I'd fall on my loved ones, shielding them the best I could, keep down and make for the closest exit.

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I agree with Easy. You would have to depend on your training and hopefully through all the commotion be able to stop the threat with a well-placed shot. If not possible cover and retreat. I am certain that scene was wildly chaotic and it would have been crazy stress levels. tough call. Those victims are in my thoughts and prayers as well.

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Pray for those that died and the survivors as well.

 

You can bet that Obama and the Obama administration are loving this.

 

What do you do in this situation? Nothing that I use for EDC would have been benificial here.

 

Yes the gun control nuts will be all over this. they always are. remember when they say guns kill it makes about as much sense to say cars kill not the drunk driver.

 

As to your EDC.... use your brain. situational awareness, duck and cover, know the exits of any building and be close to them. run like hell. and god forbid that two to chest and one to the head is needed. slow down the threat. enable others to escape. cover fire when needed. the more time you slow down the threat the more time to stop it.

My edc has 40 rounds. If you cant go defencive then there is a time that full on offence is called for. above all never ever let your guard down in a public situation.

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This tragedy will be leveraged by the anti-gun lefties of the nation. Had ‘Operation Fast & Furious’ not been exposed as an Obama Administration attack on the 2nd Amendment, this tragedy would have been the straw that broke the camel’s back on the 2nd Amendment. As usual, the Brady Bunch and their ilk will circle the wagons and demand the elimination of the private ownership of firearms. It is sad these people were murdered but I believe that Socialists will exploit the bloodshed to further infringe upon the liberties of Americans that legally own firearms.

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This tragedy will be leveraged by the anti-gun lefties of the nation. Had ‘Operation Fast & Furious’ not been exposed as an Obama Administration attack on the 2nd Amendment, this tragedy would have been the straw that broke the camel’s back on the 2nd Amendment. As usual, the Brady Bunch and their ilk will circle the wagons and demand the elimination of the private ownership of firearms. It is sad these people were murdered but I believe that Socialists will exploit the bloodshed to further infringe upon the liberties of Americans that legally own firearms.

 

Couldn't agree more, the anti gun people will ride this for all its worth. Just last week we had an armed citizen foil a robbery by useing his handgun and dropping two robbers, now almost on que we have this happen,this is too weird.

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An absolute tragedy.

 

This guy was prepared: Bulletproof vest, gas mask, 4 weapons.

 

Remember the LA shootout??? It took how many cops for how long to be able to take them down?? None of us would have been able to prevent this.

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Politically this sucks for our gun rights. The gun control nuts will be adding this to thier arsenal to take down the constitution. I pray for those lost and their families and the communities this has happen to. I'm also praying for us who will be directly effected by this nuts actions. More reason to prepair for everything and anything.

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It has Started already!!!!!! The Blame Game!!!!

 

ABC News and correspondent Brian Ross apologized Friday after Ross suggested on air that the Colorado mass shooting suspect could be tied to the Tea Party.

 

As the name of the suspect, identified as 24-year-old James Holmes, first emerged Friday morning, Ross reported on ABC News that he'd found a web page for a "Jim Holmes" on a Colorado Tea Party site.

 

"There is a Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado, page on the Colorado Tea Party site as well, talking about him joining the Tea Party last year," Ross reported.

 

He added: "Now we don't know if this is the same Jim Holmes, but it's Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colo."

 

That man is not the same Jim Holmes. The Colorado Tea Party Patriots, whose website Ross was looking at, put out a statement criticizing Ross for even floating the possibility -- noting the Jim Holmes with the Tea Party group is 52 years old and not the same person.

 

"The attempts of some media organizations to characterize the shooter as a Tea Party member without having made any effort to contact our organization are shameless and reprehensible," the group said in a statement.

 

Ross clarified on air Friday, as ABC News issued a formal apology.

 

 

The mass Killer was 24 years old..Not 52..

 

 

He was 13 years old when the Columbine High School massacre happened...in 1999..that means he was in Jr.High school and could have had the same influnces they did....He just waited..

Some reports say he was working on a Phd...

Ok so ..tid bits are comeing out fast..

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The Killer is from..San Diego California......................an upper middle class family....

 

 

How fast was the The TEA Party blamed for this shit??

 

you have to wonder what "somebody" taught him in College in San Diego??

Im Done..

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I live about a half hour from where the shooting took place....scary stuff having this happen so close to home. Even scarier is what the punishment on the general public is going to be. The local news said, "We don't get frisked at movie theaters, we don't going through metal detectors, we don't take our shows off..." Well not yet we don't! I mean how fast did the TSA start raping people after 9/11? This could be the same thing..scary stuff. Not to mention, with the UN ATT being negotiated this could be Obama's ploy to sign it and take away our gun rights! Who knows whats going on...it's just some scary stuff..

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I have nothing to say about what I would have done, but I have a very good friend in Denver, and he has two friends that were victimized by this event. One shot, in the back, is alive.

 

The other has a bullet hole in his shirt, but no damage.

 

Everyone involved will be mentally scarred for a very long time if not forever.

 

I'm just glad my friend and his friends are alive and okay.

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My heart goes out to the victims and their families. It is a crying shame that there were apparently no CC people in the room. I would have been willing to double tap him in a heart beat. The rest of the tragedy is that now the gun free zone will be extended. Not to many criminals obey the law so a lot of good that will do....last time I checked shooting anyone without beleaving that they are a clean and present threat to your own life was a crime.

Let us hope that a speedy trial and swift execution removes this parasite from society.

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This is such a crazy thing to happen. I heard they are already pulling the movie premier from some cities because they are afriad that someone might copy him. The scary thing about this is that at some of these kind of movies people dress up as the characters, that means usually big clothes and costumes...which can hide a lot of weapons. I just can't believe sitting down for a movie and having something like that happen..there is no way to prepare for something like that. My thoughts and prayers go out to all the people are thier families that were harmed in this totally senseless act.

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This criminal was apprehended,hundreds of witnesses,apartment loaded with explosives,he has a right to a speedy trial,jury of his pears,so monday morning, he goes to trial,tuesday morning last meal,tuesday night

he`s out of sight.

But not here,the press has to sell newspaper,the gov boys have to work overtime,psychiatrist,profilers,

voodoo witches,book rights,movies,actors,everybody has to make a buck out of this,so my thoughts and prayers for families,because hell is just beganing for them.

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These are the unforeseen things that will happen and impede your ability to prep

 

prices will go up and stocks of canned not pop top cans ammo firearms and anything of value in

an emergency will go down. if you think you had a problem finding X yesterday

tomorrow may be a whole lot harder, every incident that portraits a certain man made item

to be either responsible or could have averted a tragedy will become more valuable.

 

Anyone who was on the fence better get off and get it done the longer you wait the more likely it will

get more expensive or unattainable.

 

Already even on this forum some have said that the corn and weather issues are not of any concern

maybe not at this second but should next years crop be destroyed by drought, flood or some other

natural disaster people will start shitting little rabbit turds in their sleep.

I have been prepping since 1998 if you think there has not been some times when I wondered if

it was all for naught your right I have but I do not prep just for TEOTWAWKI but natural disasters here in

the gulf area also financial or medical disasters of a personal nature.

People have never been able to predict disaster well in fact for every disaster you got some person

if any that survive saying there it wasn't so bad.

The day before the sh*t hits the fan is always a normal day and for some it does not really change anything because they have lived that way all their life that way.

 

Those who wait until the last minute have died or suffered the consequences of failure to be ready

buy all you can now as later it will be too late.

3 months ago I bought corn 3 for a dollar today the same can was 1 for a dollar if you have waited

your food dollar has dropped by 2/3 in one month if something serious should happen in the

Persian gulf gas will go out of sight and your dollar will be strained even further.

 

Your heart and mind has not been moved by England Ireland Portugal Greece Spain the unemployment

numbers in certain states has not moved you 300+ banks going under has not moved you

your home is worth 1/2 of its value your 401K is tanked you cannot even consider retirement or a vacation.

not that many years ago a Tsunami killed near half a million earthquakes are becoming more frequent.

a Tsunami in japan from a 9.1 earthquake has not moved you nor its radioactive fish or contaminates

floating on our western shores flesh eating viruses bacteriological diseases and so many other things

and you still will not wake from your sleep of the foolish.

I wonder What will it take before you do something except mutter it won't happen here.

 

the unintended consequences of a failed corn crop means some peoples jobs some family farms

and new equipment and or repair stock or repairmen no money for them how about the

men and women who run the corn combines the sheller and the grain silos that will not be used

now consider all these other folk that need their money banks that hold the title on these massive machines

what about the fuel sellers and grocery stores no new trucks this year.

 

I have always known of and tried to understand the butterfly effect and nothing happens without some other component being effected if one person looses their job to the local store it means only a part of a percent

if a hundred lose then a few percent most stores only operate on a 7 to 15 % margin how long before it shuts down forcing people to drive further to get the same thing they got but now costing more for them?

 

we all hold up this economy for all that are too young too old out of work gone bust or under employed

are not able to this economy has gone rouge and it will turn on us at any time.

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These are the unforeseen things that will happen and impede your ability to prep

 

prices will go up and stocks of canned not pop top cans ammo firearms and anything of value in

an emergency will go down. if you think you had a problem finding X yesterday

tomorrow may be a whole lot harder, every incident that portraits a certain man made item

to be either responsible or could have averted a tragedy will become more valuable.

 

Anyone who was on the fence better get off and get it done the longer you wait the more likely it will

get more expensive or unattainable.

 

Already even on this forum some have said that the corn and weather issues are not of any concern

maybe not at this second but should next years crop be destroyed by drought, flood or some other

natural disaster people will start shitting little rabbit turds in their sleep.

I have been prepping since 1998 if you think there has not been some times when I wondered if

it was all for naught your right I have but I do not prep just for TEOTWAWKI but natural disasters here in

the gulf area also financial or medical disasters of a personal nature.

People have never been able to predict disaster well in fact for every disaster you got some person

if any that survive saying there it wasn't so bad.

The day before the sh*t hits the fan is always a normal day and for some it does not really change anything because they have lived that way all their life that way.

 

Those who wait until the last minute have died or suffered the consequences of failure to be ready

buy all you can now as later it will be too late.

3 months ago I bought corn 3 for a dollar today the same can was 1 for a dollar if you have waited

your food dollar has dropped by 2/3 in one month if something serious should happen in the

Persian gulf gas will go out of sight and your dollar will be strained even further.

 

Your heart and mind has not been moved by England Ireland Portugal Greece Spain the unemployment

numbers in certain states has not moved you 300+ banks going under has not moved you

your home is worth 1/2 of its value your 401K is tanked you cannot even consider retirement or a vacation.

not that many years ago a Tsunami killed near half a million earthquakes are becoming more frequent.

a Tsunami in japan from a 9.1 earthquake has not moved you nor its radioactive fish or contaminates

floating on our western shores flesh eating viruses bacteriological diseases and so many other things

and you still will not wake from your sleep of the foolish.

I wonder What will it take before you do something except mutter it won't happen here.

 

the unintended consequences of a failed corn crop means some peoples jobs some family farms

and new equipment and or repair stock or repairmen no money for them how about the

men and women who run the corn combines the sheller and the grain silos that will not be used

now consider all these other folk that need their money banks that hold the title on these massive machines

what about the fuel sellers and grocery stores no new trucks this year.

 

I have always known of and tried to understand the butterfly effect and nothing happens without some other component being effected if one person looses their job to the local store it means only a part of a percent

if a hundred lose then a few percent most stores only operate on a 7 to 15 % margin how long before it shuts down forcing people to drive further to get the same thing they got but now costing more for them?

 

we all hold up this economy for all that are too young too old out of work gone bust or under employed

are not able to this economy has gone rouge and it will turn on us at any time.

 

 

 

Hey Man,

 

Either you posted to the wrong thread (Denver Shooting) or I totally missed the connection...Got the s@#t happens but seems the post related to a different thread. Can you imagine the news IF someone had have been in carry mode and capped that nut? But we could play what if all day.

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After a full day of wonder and Prayer Im still shaking my head as to why.We may never know!!

 

So lets be real and tell it like it is,our Rights cost!!...The cost of freedom means that some will abuse it..

 

In America on average, nearly 12,000 people die every year in DUI-related accidents. 900,000 are arrested each year for DUI/DWI and a full 1/3 of those are repeat offenders.

 

1/3=300,000 still driving and may kill with out warning.........Thats more dangerest than 1 person completely off his nut!!!

 

I dont see a mandertory jail sentence for 2 years like the Virginia Law "carry a weapon in a crime and go straight to jail" and they have the open carry Law..

 

So Balance must be applyed to everything even in Times of "Sorrow"..Take time to pray for peace for the Familys..

 

 

Where was the Person that Had the permit to Carry? I beleve that anyone on this site WOULD HAVE slung lead if they had an oppertuniy...

JMO

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The fact of the matter is that this sort of thing wouldn't have happened in Texas or someplace where legal concealed carry is common. Someone would pop up behind him and it would end. The concealed carry in Texas came about in part as a result of something similar in Killeen where a nut walked into a Luby's cafeteria and strolled around shooting people without fear of reprisal.

 

People suddenly UNDERSTOOD that depending on the cops to defend you is like having a coroner for your family physician. The only REAL and workable answer to terrorists is to allow honest people to defend THEMSELVES. Gun control ONLY effects the honest. A criminal couldn't care less and a nut is no different. When the dumb middle class Americans get tired of being targets MAYBE (but I doubt it) they will elect people that represent THEM.

 

I personally think that they should have made that sicko's car look like swiss cheese. It pisses me that he killed all those people and didn't have the balls to finish it. Someone should have put him down like a mad DOG! Now, He WINS. He will get all the attention he could ever want and get to be the "STAR" that he hoped for.

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Danm,

 

The thing in Texas was when the fruitcake drove his pickup through the front of a Luby's, got out of his truck and walked around shooting people while making fun of some of them.

 

The concealed carry passed because one of our state legislators had family in that Lubys.

 

...and I agree, I also think the outcome would have been somewhat different in some other state. Still having said that, you also have to look at the age group of the people who go to the midnight shows, most of them aren't as old and jaded as a lot of us seem to be.

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