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Okay sports fans, my wife's buddy Madame P. noticed our large food stock while helping my wife to unload the latest store run, I away on business at the time. I quote what Madame P. said translated:

 

"Wow! If a nuclear bomb hits we are all coming to Wolfe's and Madame Wolfes' place!"

 

If that's not an open threat I don't know what is!

 

We've not said a word about our plans to anyone, even family but this woman is very smart obviously, very aggressive and has a mouth bigger than Lake Okechobee...plus 3 kids to feed.... I can just see her leading the mob attack on our home....

 

Worse, since Doctor P. her husband is the town GP/gynecologist and is one of the most talented medical pros I've ever dealt with I need him in my strategic circle.....I was going to bring him in slowly. I just don't trust his crazy wife further than I could throw her chubby butt which is not very far....

 

Hadn't imagined getting discovered so quickly.

 

I've told my wife to just laugh off ANY suggestion about prepping for anything.....still concerned though.

 

We're probably going to pick up another BOL soon and will eventually cache food and supplies offsite in town and along the way to BOL B.

 

Anyone have similar concerns? Snake, I need your input let's hear your thoughts!

 

Wolfe.

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Personally, I would not do anything about it and trust that it was just an offhand remark. I would be a bit more cautious about allowing people to see my stores.

 

However, the moment I heard a comment about my stores come back to me through another source, I would immediately remove my stores to another location and find a way to "accidently" show Madame P. the area where she made her observation without engaging in any conversation about it. Let her draw her own conclusions.

 

I see no advantage at all of saying anything to her or anyone else that is repeating what she said. Once it is in their head there is nothing that can be done but try to "trick" them into changing their own mind.

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Ouch, Dangerwolfe. I haven't had this come up but I am dreading the event since we have no choice but to store certain things in my garage due to space issues. I have disguised as much as I can as simply camping supplies (much of it is just that), but I worry that one of my wife's friends will do just like your wife's friend did and figure out too much. Move the supplies and let Miss Nosey see they are gone is a good idea. Might want to

 

You could use this as a entree with the doc to start the discussion should you chose to go that route.

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I'd let them in, but they need to do guard duty in your bug in/ bug out location. And since she's such a loud mouth, i'd make sure she gets the night shift, patroling the compound, while you & yours get a good nights sleep. If anything does happen, you know that's she's a loud mouth to wake everyone up. She needs to earn her keep some how.

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I would let the supply "slowly disappear" with several staged reveals to the neighbors. Drop a hint that you decided to buy a supply while food prices were low and you had some extra savings. That way you can cover the movement of your stocked food supplies. A sudden movement of your supplies might raise some eyebrows.

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Personally, I would not do anything about it and trust that it was just an offhand remark. I would be a bit more cautious about allowing people to see my stores.

 

However, the moment I heard a comment about my stores come back to me through another source, I would immediately remove my stores to another location and find a way to "accidently" show Madame P. the area where she made her observation without engaging in any conversation about it. Let her draw her own conclusions.

 

I see no advantage at all of saying anything to her or anyone else that is repeating what she said. Once it is in their head there is nothing that can be done but try to "trick" them into changing their own mind.

 

Thanks Rod, what you suggest is probably the case, an offhand remark. It's good advice not to sweat it until we hear it from another source. Madame P. will most likely just lose this tidbit in her harddrive until some "event" dislodges it.

 

Last summer there were strikes and gas was rationed for about a month.....

 

I've already discussed with the wife that our garage is now off-limits to outsiders until I can enclose the pantry and put "tool shed" on the locked door.

 

But the best defense strategy in my opinion is as I've stated, is to also cache off-site so you can re-supply, perhaps even re-take your home(s). Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Should be obvious.

 

Wolfe

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Thanks to all you folks who contributed your suggestions;

 

314: Don't have a gun collection yet LOL!

 

TexasBill: Part of my strategy is to build a small network of trusted and like-minded folks and yes, Docteur P. would be a huge asset to the team. Madame P. is very courageous and also has some very strong points...and some real negatives like her mouth. Problem with Doc P. is that it's going to take some harsh "reality" to snap him out of his naive "socialist convictions" if you know what I'm saying....Socialists live on another planet than survivalists.

 

Autonomous: Yes, the stuff needs to be hid. Fortunately our garage includes the whole bottom floor of the house with many "cells" that can be blocked/walled off. I will close off the pantry eventually, and will at least hang material over the shelves to hide them visually in the interim. Charity ploy is something to consider but my wife already told Madame P. she should consider extra food herself given Greece, so the cat is somewhat out of the bag.....

 

P210SIG: As I've state we may invite the Ps into the club for strategic reasons, but the Doc is the type to dismiss us as paranoid....and believes a bit too much in the kinder side of humanity. He will come around but probably not until things get serious when it's much harder to stock up and very late to prepare. I will have a place for him and med stuff though. In any case I will put Madame P. on latrine duty at night for sure.

 

Snake: Food drive is also a good idea, but wife mentioned turmoil in Greece.

 

Awake: We have been eyeing another property a couple hours away. That will be plan B. We will also stock at the grandparents just a bicycle ride away and cache around town and in the forest 200 meters north. We don't plan on going it alone however unless circumstances dictate so I'll insure we have a lot of options.

 

Cheers,

 

Wolfe

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Thanks Rod, what you suggest is probably the case, an offhand remark. It's good advice not to sweat it until we hear it from another source. Madame P. will most likely just lose this tidbit in her harddrive until some "event" dislodges it.

 

Last summer there were strikes and gas was rationed for about a month.....

 

I've already discussed with the wife that our garage is now off-limits to outsiders until I can enclose the pantry and put "tool shed" on the locked door.

 

But the best defense strategy in my opinion is as I've stated, is to also cache off-site so you can re-supply, perhaps even re-take your home(s). Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Should be obvious.

 

Wolfe

 

I think you are preceeding wisely Wolfe. I agree that a cache off-site is an excellent plan. It is always something, isn't it?

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I think you are preceeding wisely Wolfe. I agree that a cache off-site is an excellent plan. It is always something, isn't it?

 

Thanks Rod, appreciate the support.

 

Indeed always something but I guess that's the challenge.....it's just like a big game really isn't it?

 

You just have to adapt. I travel all over several continents, all the time, sometimes in some pretty scary places and always un-armed and rarely speaking the local language. It's not like the military, you just can't radio for backup, absolutely no comparison at all...I've learned a lot.

 

 

Wolfe

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JMO..Madame P.and Husband need to be replaced!!You and I know when the "Wrong people" start asking questions about others,than its a killing field!!History proves time and again that socialist turn on Friends and Family in a hart beat!

Please dont trust them to do the decent thing"The Decent thing" for them is to submit to who or what is in authority at the time..

 

Spices amoung us.East Germany,those who were in the eastern block were on the pay role of the Commies and informed on the neighbors.It took YEARS to get them aquanted with the rest of German life and many still are socialist!!!

 

Once a skunk always a skunk.....you have to have 3 generation to get that typ of thinking out of a family or country!!

JMO.

Please move everything to the catchs you have out to the country!!staying gray is the most important..

JMO..and it anit humble...

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JMO..Madame P.and Husband need to be replaced!!You and I know when the "Wrong people" start asking questions about others,than its a killing field!!History proves time and again that socialist turn on Friends and Family in a hart beat!

Please dont trust them to do the decent thing"The Decent thing" for them is to submit to who or what is in authority at the time..

 

Spices amoung us.East Germany,those who were in the eastern block were on the pay role of the Commies and informed on the neighbors.It took YEARS to get them aquanted with the rest of German life and many still are socialist!!!

 

Once a skunk always a skunk.....you have to have 3 generation to get that typ of thinking out of a family or country!!

JMO.

Please move everything to the catchs you have out to the country!!staying gray is the most important..

JMO..and it anit humble...

 

Thanks for the advice Matt, I appreciate your honest concern. Docteur P. is more of the socialist. And I do agree that most of the socialists I know expect to be taken care of by the govt or work for the govt. The rich ones are the worst as they opt out of the messes they create....nuff said there.

 

In any case, Madame P. in spite of her faults is a borderline "Front National" voter if you know who they are with a whirlwind of energy and ideas. It's more a matter of getting the doc on board. We'll see.

 

I will tell you this however, the French especially in my area, have vegetable gardens already, chickens in the back yard, food stocks, fish in the ocean and river nearby, lots of farms in the area and local farmers markets here in town several days a week.

 

The positive is that many French outside the city (and even in the cities) are natural preppers with a recent history of invasion and long history of many invasions and wars. The place is chock full of fortifications and castles. The French don't rattle easily. The negative is they are too over-confident in their ability to survive a SHTF......

 

Wolfe

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OK, guys, remember something here. Once the panty is discovered, moving it, hiding it, anything that removes it from access is a waste! While you might still have it after the mob comes, they WILL NOT BELIEVE IT IS NOT WHERE IT WAS LAST SEEN. Individuals are smart, people are panicky, ignorant, stupid and violent (apologies to Men In Black).

 

Try telling the mob you CAN'T give them something because you got rid of it after it was discovered. They might feel guilty after they finish looting your place but I wouldn't count on it. More likely they'll be angry and into "making you talk".

 

Many airports have a "day tank" for fuel - the main supplies are safely away and the day or surge tank is the only supply close to the distribution point. An accident doesn't get the whole supply and if the whole supply goes, you still have the day tank AND are not setting at ground zero. I have a '3 day' pantry that I work from. If folks see this, I have the government recommended 3 day supply. NOBODY sees any more than that.

 

Just the not so humble opinion of a paranoid wing nut.

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OK, guys, remember something here. Once the panty is discovered, moving it, hiding it, anything that removes it from access is a waste! While you might still have it after the mob comes, they WILL NOT BELIEVE IT IS NOT WHERE IT WAS LAST SEEN. Individuals are smart, people are panicky, ignorant, stupid and violent (apologies to Men In Black).

 

Try telling the mob you CAN'T give them something because you got rid of it after it was discovered. They might feel guilty after they finish looting your place but I wouldn't count on it. More likely they'll be angry and into "making you talk".

 

Many airports have a "day tank" for fuel - the main supplies are safely away and the day or surge tank is the only supply close to the distribution point. An accident doesn't get the whole supply and if the whole supply goes, you still have the day tank AND are not setting at ground zero. I have a '3 day' pantry that I work from. If folks see this, I have the government recommended 3 day supply. NOBODY sees any more than that.

 

Just the not so humble opinion of a paranoid wing nut.

 

Capt Bart, you are not paranoid, you're correct.

 

I've stated in other threads that folks in my area already stock some food, often have gardens and chickens, plus we have outdoor markets within bicycling distance 4 days a week, plus the ocean a stones throw away, drinkable water not far below the ground and a big forest nearby. Also, Farmers here tend to have small family operations an no immigrant labor, they do it all themselves with family, it's a bit old fashioned.

 

That said, without fuel the fishermen will need to go out in rowboats and the farmers will need to harvest by hand and somehow transport their offerings....so, there will be a lot less available at the market and how people will pay I have no idea other than barter.

 

Madame P. aside, what concerns me the most is not the local folks it's the rabble heading out our way from Paris and other big cities.

 

I think it's very prudent to only keep the 3 day supply in view and even on site, the next phase is to start caching the long storage stuff off-site.

 

We will have a plan B bug out location maybe this year, and will stock that as well....or at least near the property.

 

Wolfe

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I hadn't even thought about the masses that would come out from Paris... They have days-long riots and property destruction during relatively calm, good times, don't they? Sounds like you're doing what you can to prepare to keep your family safe and supplied should things go seriously awry.

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D.W.

You are in a great area,woods,sea,farmland!!The french counrty has survived many EVENTS and its in there nature Also to survive.JMO

Please consider that the coast and the woods are the best for catches..The woods wont be populated by those coming out of the citys,they wont know what to do "off the roads"..The sea offers a great excape and the advantage of "Trade" with passing small boaters looking for a way to excape from trouble.

Of course there is the advantage of SAIL!!

 

Im applying my own "WANTs" here because there are areas on the coast of North and South Carolina that offer the same as I mentioned!

If and when I have the money and I leave these mountains,Thats were Im headed!!!

JMO..and good luck.

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I hadn't even thought about the masses that would come out from Paris... They have days-long riots and property destruction during relatively calm, good times, don't they? Sounds like you're doing what you can to prepare to keep your family safe and supplied should things go seriously awry.

 

Hi Oregonchick,

 

The french have regular strikes and street protests usually when the government tries to take something from them, etc. It's not a big deal, more of an inconvenience and just the people exercising their right to Freedom of Speech and Assembly.

 

Now, the really violent stuff and car burning is a more recent phenomenon committed by disgruntled immigrant urban youth, or the children of immigrants living in the major cities, not the indigenous French. Americans who've never been to Europe tend to have a very dated images of the Europe that existed not long after WWII:

 

Paris 1962:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKBI2kc_x-I

 

Luton England today:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psZBaJU_Cvo

 

Crazy isn't it?

 

Wolfe

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D.W.

You are in a great area,woods,sea,farmland!!The french counrty has survived many EVENTS and its in there nature Also to survive.JMO

Please consider that the coast and the woods are the best for catches..The woods wont be populated by those coming out of the citys,they wont know what to do "off the roads"..The sea offers a great excape and the advantage of "Trade" with passing small boaters looking for a way to excape from trouble.

Of course there is the advantage of SAIL!!

 

Im applying my own "WANTs" here because there are areas on the coast of North and South Carolina that offer the same as I mentioned!

If and when I have the money and I leave these mountains,Thats were Im headed!!!

JMO..and good luck.

 

Hi Matt,

 

Yes, we moved here intentionally from the Paris area to get away from the problems, and yes I was indeed thinking ahead..... It's really a paradise, great place for the kids to grow up and a perfect place for a survivalist. Surf is great too! Last few days were lovely and I had the boards in the water with the family! Today went for a two hour horseback ride through the forest with our children's pony club....

 

Yes, the French have occupied this land since before Roman times. Don't believe all the lies you hear about the French people, they are survivors. Many foreign peoples have invaded France in the past and the French eventually kicked them all out themselves given enough time, would have done the same with the nazis...just taken longer.

 

The Carolinas are great places! Give your family the best chance you can by moving to such a place.

 

Good luck to you as well Matt.

 

Wolfe

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DW,

 

THese people in this assembly obviously dont know HOW to protest. Telling the police to "go to hell" is only antagonistic, instead of protesting forthe purpose of the assembly, being the arrest of that Extremist's wife.

Guess what... that sounds to me like the police are doing thier job, taking her into custody of questioning. THey are probably just holding her for a while, but not actually arrested.

 

THese people are just looking for something to complain about and get the community all riled up. THere is no injustice here. I bet the lady that is being HELD is getting fed 3 squares a day in a decent safe, A/C room. Which is MUCH better than any Middle East country would do for any US citizen.

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Americans who've never been to Europe tend to have a very dated images of the Europe that existed not long after WWII...

 

Personally, I'm largely informed by what I saw in National Lampoon's European Vacation, which is from the mid-1980s. ;)

 

Crazy isn't it? Wolfe

 

Yes, and disappointing. I wondered why she got caught up in the clothing/hellfire thing - which is personally insulting but ultimately meaningless if you don't share their beliefs - instead of asking if their original intent was to come to the UK and break laws, given that there's no way they immigrated thinking the UK was a Muslim nation under Muslim law. Why not invite them to return to a country where they have laws they can believe in, if that's their be-all, end-all? <sigh> Extremists are so hard to talk to.

 

Protesters in general are a bit annoying and irrational. Getting a coherent thought out of one of those "Occupy" folks was nearly impossible. And we actually had people in Eugene several years ago protesting the killing of trees in the downtown area... despite the fact that the trees had Dutch elm disease and were basically rotten and a public hazard, and were immediately replaced with new trees. It's a good thing that mockery is one of my favorite forms of humor.

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