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As many of you may have seen, theres a movement sweeping the nation. The Occupy Movement. This started in New York City, on wall street, to protest all the big corperate fatcats and corruption in this nation. These people stand for whats right in America, an equal chance, and with all of these large corperations taking up tax payer dollars, do the rest of us have an equal chance? I think not. Today was the final day of the Occupy Denver event, where thousands of protesters camped out in city park for days. Today they had DPD in full riot gear move in to break up the protest. I havent heard the numbers yet, but there was at least one arrest. The scary part about all this to me, is that the news has been criticizing these people for whatere theyre doing. Feels like somebodys being paid of by the government, using our tax dollars! Doesnt seem fair that these people cant have a peaceful protest anymore. Isnt that or American right!? These Fatcats and Government Corrupters are ruining everything this country was built on and stands for. Its just not right.

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Well said Smoke. And i just saw today that the movement has now gone worldwide! The main idea of the protests is to try to force congress or whoever the leading power is in other countries to tax the wealthy and end corperate greed. Good luck with that right?

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I will admit that I can sympathize with them to some extent. Yes, Wall Street and Congress are corrupt. That's how it is. I want it to end also. I also agree that the wealthy should be taxed a bit more (maybe just 1%) than the poor, because they can afford it and it will help us pay our National Debt off.

 

I think that there are people there who genuinly want to help this country better itself, but the majority are college kids who want to make some statement to their parents and rebel for no real reason.

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The communist masters used to refer to these kind of folks as "useful idiots". Approaching this thing a little bit at a time:

49% or so, pay $0 in taxes. Folks in the top 1% pay 20% of the taxes. The top 10% pay something like 60% of the taxes. So, you want to raise my taxes because the half that aren't paying anything needs more of a break?

The problem is that my retirement plan is based in the stock market; I may be one of the fat cat rich but it sure doesn't feel like it. When you try to equalize outcomes instead of opportunity this is what you get. The "rich bankers" where following federal rules which REQUIRED them to make those loans when they made those sub-prime loans - everyone was ENTITLED to own a house whether they could afford them or not. I've worked over 4 decades going to school nights and evenings, taking jobs that I would rather not have had to take to feed my family, build equity in my home etc. to get to where I am. Now, some hippie may think they deserve what I have but they better be able to work for 40 years to do it! Try to take my stuff by simply moving in and taking it and you will be dealing with my friends, Sam Colt, Dan Wesson, Winchester, Ruger etc.

I am sick and tired of the "oh the poor people deserve better" crap. The US is about equal opportunity to fail! The trick is to get up one more time than you fall. I have a friend who is an over-night millionaire. Of course it only took him 7 years and a bankruptcy to get to that one overnight! He gambled everything - twice. Second time he won. You want to take his money for the unwilling to work, bring all your friends and plan on staying a while!

I WORKED my way through college. Don't whine about the cost of the ivy league schools. Go to a community college and a state school. Get a job and earn your way. We've all had breaks, some good and some bad, but I don't sympathize with spoiled brats in the slightest. They are trying to organize anarchists for crying out loud. They don't have a clue what that means. This is part of the path Adolph used to take over Germany (check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht ) during the Kristallnacht. Of course by then he already had all the guns. This will most likely get very bloody before it gets better and I have no sympathy for those too lazy, greedy, stupid and amoral to actually work and save for their future.

Just my not so humble opinion. (but then I am told that I am an old curmudgeon)

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I never said they should tax the crap out of the richer people just because they can. I just think they should stop giving ridiculous tax breaks to some companies. But, then prices go up etc etc.

 

I have no idea what should or shouldn't be done; I'm just a college kid with student loans. I'm sorry if I offended you Captain.

 

I too am working through college just to keep up with loan payments. I know what you're talking about and I agree that half these people just feel entitled to what they see others have, but God forbid they have to work for it.

It also sucks that it is now not PC to just tell someone "If you want it, why don't you work for it yourself?"

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Aw, you didn't offend me. THEY offend me but then stupidity always does. I don't understand why THEY don't understand that NO company pays taxes - their customers pay their taxes. Levy a tax or a fine on a corporation and the price of their product goes up. Make them vulnerable to Nanny state regulations and the price of their product goes up. Force them to pay a "livable minimum wage" and the price of their product goes up. See a trend here? Heck, in England the "tax" is hidden in the price so you don't KNOW how much of the price of the product is the government ripping you off.

 

The same clowns who get all weepy over illegal aliens (they ain't immigrants unless they're here legally) and whine that we need them to do the jobs "Americans" won't do also want to punish the big bad business owners who hire them? Did I miss something here or is the logic as screwy as it sounds?

 

Free markets set the acceptable wages and prices. When the government gets in the middle of things, the market system goes to hell in a hand basket. Always has, always will but we refuse to learn from history.

 

You don't need legal action to punish business, the market will take care of that. We do need to take legal action against corrupt and traitorous politicians of all parties. We won't do that because the established politicians do anything to protect themselves. That is why Thomas Jefferson said -

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.

As long as the law protects those who misuse their positions to further their own interest instead of those they are supposed to represent we will continue to lose freedom and wealth. As long as the law breakers get to make the law, this won't change. Without change, the result is absolutely predictable; the decline and fall of the American Republic.

 

Just for the record, I live in a state without a state income tax. Even here about 45% of what I earn goes into taxes of one sort or another. I'm always curious, just how much of what I earn does the government, that produces nothing and contributed nothing to my graduate school, deserve so that the ruling clowns can buy votes from those that don't earn? If 45% isn't enough, just what IS my "fair" share and why don't the legislators who say these idiot things pay their "fair share"? Why are they on their own retirement system rather than the social security we're supposed to be own? Why don't they use my health insurance instead of the congressional system? Why do these clowns who don't contribute consider themselves better than you and me? Since I'm one of those dangerous veteran, Christian, flag waving, Constitution reading, Bible owning radicals I guess my questions are off base but I do wonder.

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If the government would function the way the founders set it up we wouldn't have any taxes . I don't believe there is a provision for taxation in the constitution. Any other state taxes would be voted upon by the people. The damn bureaucrats have created so many agencies and needless entities that suck the financial life out of the people and business its a shame.

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This occupy deal will do more harm than good. All these smart people with all the answers sitting around smoking Marijuana accomplishing nothing but their own discredit. I think most people are aware that your average person isn't really down with pot. So knowing that, why would you turn a protest into a cloud of smoke which the media will use to label all involved "lazy potheads" looking for a handout. I'm sick of dread locks and tyedye and whatever else. You want it legal? stop putting it right in uptight peoples faces. I am sick of being grouped in with people like that. Not everyone is dirty, or lazy, or stupid. That's all I see reported on now. I agree with some of their points but instead of being in the way, do something productive. I am of work like a lot of those fools, I wish I was enjoying myself as much, but I'm an adult (mostly) with obligations so I guess I'll just keep looking for work and doing whatever I can to support my family.

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I have to agree that the occupy movement feels like a lot of people wanting a hand out and there is an anarchy vibe associated with the group. Ultimately this group will probably fail to effect an major change due to there disorganization and the way things work in the US. How ever I do see the point they are trying to make about pay scales increasing drastically when you get to upper management.

 

The state university I attend has gotten an average of a 12% increase in tuition every semester since I started. With the state wide budget cuts this doesn't upset me too much but when I hear about classes and teachers being cut and the chancellor with a salary above 400k getting a raise along with the university president at some where around 350k. I know these people (probably) worked hard to get their position and are entitled to a good wage but once you get significantly above the 100k mark you shouldn't really that worried about money. Just to throw it out paying my own way threw collage with loans and work and don't expect a hand out but do expect a majority of the money I pay on tuition to go to maintaining the school and teachers salaries. I guess I'm rambling but my point is this isn't just about corporations these problems are in politics and government too.

 

As for the over all occupy movement well if the protesters had minimum wage jobs making fries or something mindless like that then they wouldn't have days and days of free time to protest this one isn't going to fix it self. Things will probably get worse before they get better.

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Some of the people have days and days to protest because they don't have jobs. Others however are able to be there because their unions allow them to take days of paid vacation to go and protest.

 

This was pretty well understood in Ohio when SB5 was first in peoples radars. Many union officials came to businesses and asked for people to volunteer to go protest with a day of "paid vacation".

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I found it rather ironic that the occupy cooks (the ones who have been preparing almost goumet quality organic meals) decided they didn't want to serve the homeless folks that were showing up at meal time too. Aren't the people lowest on the societal totem pole entitled to nice free meals too (instead of the local soup kitchens)? Where's the social justice now?:D

 

Yet another example of the "OTHER guy should give me his stuff but there's no way I'm giving up mine" mentality.

 

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/zuccotti_hell_kitchen_i5biNyYYhpa8MSYIL9xSDL

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I think the best idea for all of these kids is to leave the protest and work on occupying a job! I agree with everything you said Capt Bart. I cannot believe the feeling of entitlement this latest generation of 18-24 yr olds have.

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@TCC6310 : My friend I do have to point out a few things about OWS that most people figured out a long time ago.

 

First and foremost the OWS "movement" is not a Movement, it is a sham. The TEA Party is a movement.

 

The OWS is not "Sweeping the nation" hell they can't even seem to sweep their camps. The OWS are the same tiny group of Radical Liberals-Socialists-Communists-Nazis that have been around for the last 50 years.The Unions along with ACORN started the "Protest" to try to drum up support for Obama and his Henchmen in the next election cycle. Now that it is back firing on them, even the mayors and city councils of those cities are getting fed up with the so called "protesters". Example: in the cities where there are OWS "Protesters" the numbers run from less than 100 to a couple of thousand. A real movement like the TEA Party has 40 million members.

 

You also said that "The scary part about all this to me, is that the news has been criticizing these people for whatere theyre doing. Feels like somebodys being paid of by the government, using our tax dollars! " Where do I start?? First, with the exception of Fox News EVERY major news outlet has been on the OWS side.The lame stream media has gone so far as not reporting major happening in the camps such as rapes, murders, fights, drug use, the stench ect ect ect. Until Fox News or other real news organizations have reported on them and the Lame Stream Media could not hold out any longer. Imagine if the TEA Party started a protest in NYC?? Camped out for weeks in a private Park and terrorized local business... oh wait the TEA party believes in law and order and most of all they know what the heck they are protesting about. In EVERY TEA party protest or Rally that has been held, the TEAParty kept the peace, kept order, kept the place as clean or cleaner than when they started. The OWS?? The city of New York has to have he OWS move there Tents once a week to steam clean the streets and side walks as the OWS supporters and protesters are so dam nasty.

 

"Doesnt seem fair that these people cant have a peaceful protest anymore" Peaceful???? What is peaceful about multiple rapes? Fights, murders? Even worse the OWS did not want anyone to talk to the police about the crimes being committed in the camps. Can you imagine your Sister, Mother, Niece, Wife or Girl Friend being raped and the OWS screaming at them for reporting the rape? What part of any of this seems peaceful? OakLand California, the OWS attacked a port, did tons of damage, destroyed business, looted business and then attacked the police with rocks, glass bottles and paint. Wow you must live in a really tough neighborhood if this sound peaceful.

 

"These Fatcats and Government Corrupters are ruining everything this country was built on and stands for. Its just not right." Well you won't get any fight from me about this.... the problem with the OWS is that they are not protesting the People that got us in this mess, namely the Liberals and RINOS in Washington DC who have driven out country toit's knees.

 

Yes the protesters have a right to protest, I don't agree with what they are protesting about or who they are protesting against but I agree they have the right to protest. Where it becomes an issue is when they camp out for weeks, destroy local business and the local Govt does Nothing about it. Again Imagine a group from the right wanted to do the same thing, the police would have been on the street the first day to break it up.

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anyone who thinks the rich people should pay their "fair share" is terribly confused or a socialist.

 

Confused? maybe, uninformed for sure. The people on the Left can't seem to understand math or worse, they use liberal Math. Only using Liberal Math can you say that the top 10% are not paying enough when they are in fact paying 60% to 70% of the tax bill.

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As many of you may have seen, theres a movement sweeping the nation. The Occupy Movement. This started in New York City, on wall street, to protest all the big corperate fatcats and corruption in this nation. These people stand for whats right in America, an equal chance, and with all of these large corperations taking up tax payer dollars, do the rest of us have an equal chance? I think not. Today was the final day of the Occupy Denver event, where thousands of protesters camped out in city park for days. Today they had DPD in full riot gear move in to break up the protest. I havent heard the numbers yet, but there was at least one arrest. The scary part about all this to me, is that the news has been criticizing these people for whatere theyre doing. Feels like somebodys being paid of by the government, using our tax dollars! Doesnt seem fair that these people cant have a peaceful protest anymore. Isnt that or American right!? These Fatcats and Government Corrupters are ruining everything this country was built on and stands for. Its just not right.

 

ANy change in thoughts?

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Nope! I still think they are idiots... Or is that "useful idiots"? B)

 

Agreed. Just don't want them to be too useful to where they are counter productive. A normal protest, every other wee, might get some well deserved attention about fixing some issues that could be addressed. Going to the extreme that they have pushes the silent majority to the other extreme which is not good either.

 

I compare them to the hippie movement. The lost the credibility when the went too far with drugs, counter culture, nasty living, unproductive, commiting crimes,..... but int he beginning they probably had some grass roots appeal.

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