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After reading and talking to others here on the Forum for a couple of months,and with the resent Post about Bosnian and what realy Happened there,there is a need that most have not considered!

 

A surcure Trading POST!!

 

After TSHTF people will want things that they dont have!!

Who can they Trust?and not be ambushed?

 

Having a secure place to do the trading needs to be established.

In the book Alas, Babylon..it was near the libary,Most Small communitys in America have farmers markets already and could be used.

 

Again,reading about Bosnia proves we as humans can and will desend back to Primative solutions to fix our needs..

 

So what are you going to do wait till somebody else puts up a "TRADING POST'' or get togeather and make plans??

 

Its just a thought!!

Me Im scouting the local areas to set up a secure point!!

 

JMO..

what do you think??

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I'm a wait & see type a guy. Nothing good comes out of anything when it's rushed. I'd have afew services to provide in " BARTER TOWN ". Carpentry is one of them. Build or fix a dwelling, make furnature, cast lead projectiles, reload ammo, making traps/snares, make candles, plumbing & electrical wireing.

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The article was really interesting. I notice he said the market in town was rife with gangs and dangerous. So they traded in the street, in full view of their neighbors and presumably their backup and family group.

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You can bet that one reason it was secure was people on rooftops and in windows. There would have to be a LARGE armed presense to prevent the gangs from just walking in and taking everything.

 

As far as you setting up a trading post...my advice would be 'don't'. I think you'd be better off in the long run if it was a community effort. The reasons? If everyone has skin in the game, they'll fight to keep it. If its just you and yours, you could very well find yourself on your own. If you are perceived as 'the trader' you are a bigger target because people would think/know you have stuff. So your chances of being robbed just went up. People trailing you to try and find out where your goods are, an attack on your BOL to steal the goods, the list goes on...and I didn't touch on the nasty stuff that could happen as a result.

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I have two other preppers that are in the process of setting up some sort of way to get together when needed. A sort of one hand washes the other thing. Its a question of trust right now and no one has put any cards on the table. Hopefully we can figure something out.

I mean there are people I have know my whole life that im not sure about when it comes to survival.

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As far as you setting up a trading post...my advice would be 'don't'. I think you'd be better off in the long run if it was a community effort. The reasons? If everyone has skin in the game, they'll fight to keep it.

vonBayern...

Yes it should be a community based...it encourages people to gather togeather and start a community again..''When Not If "TSHTF" small communitys will be important..

Streangth in numbers,remember those in Bosina survived because of the "numbers"they had in a group!!!

 

A lone Wolf Dies by itself!!

 

Packs live!!!!

But if your afraid to work with others and stay alone than thats ok too..its your life you do what you want!!

Me, I would like to help others with the SKILLS I have to rebuild!!and try to make sure others have a chance to do the same..

 

Being Jessey James is not

"glamorous'....you just die alone..

JMO..

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I didn't say to not take part...I said don't be the "face" thats in the forefront...and to make it a community effort. I would rather be a little more toward the rear and help guide the choices as opposed to being seen as the driving force.

 

I suggest that you reread the Bosnian post...the part about the fortified houses being taken. If you appear to have a "treasure trove" of supplies you will become a prime target and groups will band together to try and take it. That is why I said to not be the lead on something like this. I doubt that the majority would have the manpower to secure and keep secure two seperate sites...or do you want them to come to your BOL if you are opperating out of it?

 

As far a a small communinty goes...how many have prepped? How many can you count on? Urban Wolf is looking at some other preppers, but there is the trust issue...same issues you would have in a small communinty.

 

You often see Snake say, ..."when you die we're gonna spit up your stuff". We used to say that too...as far as I know its more of a military thing.

 

It may seem funny...but its also a grim reality. Hell we do that now with wills and lawyers...when SHTF you won't be dealing with lawyers, just with whoever is left standing.

 

I'm not trying to put down your idea of a trading post, I am trying to get you to consider all aspects that it would entail so that you can evaluate it along the lines of risk assesment.

 

No one trades to break even or lose value. People trade to get ahead, that implys that you will have a surplus of wealth...and wealth is a relative term determined by what people need. Currently its money, down the road aways it could be food or ammo. It all depends.

 

Sorry...started to ramble a bit.

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vonBayern..Let me make only one thing clear,No i would not trade anything from my home after TSHTF..

I used the example of a Trading post cira 1800 as an example of people bringing in there wares to trade!!

 

A open spot that is secure,LIKE a farmers market!!!

Please dont get me started "No one trades to break even or lose value. People trade to get ahead, that implys that you will have a surplus of wealth..." Bull shit!!!!

You must have an extensive education in the BOND market....JMO

Because people will trade for what they need with out considering the "NET" value of an Item..If you need something you will trade for it,Dollars,gold,silver,meat,hides,Bic lighters!!!

 

I also talked about AFTER TSHTF!! and things settle and people start to gather again.

Because this is NOT BOSINA..Im not in eastern Europe(I was for 3 years)Im in The mountains of West Virginia were people dont have the 100 years of brutal fighting between Muslem and so called Christians!!

 

Its in OUR Nature to Re Build..

 

I have over 25 years purchasing and retail sales(In four different states).I know the Value of a quart of shine in 3 countys(barber shop)and the price of a bail of hay(farm store)..I trade work for plants from a local grower,I listen and know the value of whats important..

 

"evaluate it along the lines of risk assesment"...Yep thats Book smart right there,BUT it shows no knowledge of PEOPLE and the ART of the trade!!

never take advantage !! a good deal is where you both gain!!You want repete customers!!

 

So a place that is secure/after tshtf/where locals can trade will be something thats needed!!

 

sorry to Rant But I fought the BS from Book smart people(no experence) that thought they KNEW what Sales were about!!!

No offence ment!!Non here were taken..I hope Im clear on all points..

Thanks for your responce..

 

Now I have some beautifull land in Florida to almost give away,because I dont want to pay the Taxes!!

BUT we have to wait till the Tide to go out to see it!!

any takers..

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cant spell for shit

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101matt,

Think about it. If there is a known place to take your stuff to barter all one has to do is to set up an ambush and take your stuff. Not too close to the barter area but just far enough away to be effective. Reminds me of the song by ABBA, Take a Chance.

 

Land no, Do you have a parrot?

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VIS 9..I totaly understand the concept of "road thiefs"..its not new,someone notices you with something they want and they try to take it.

Today its about tennis shoes and the need to LOOK COOL !!

Everone coming out of a large MALL needs to be ready for a snatch and grab!!

 

Its about a small community,re building ..and the possability?????

 

it is a plan,and to denigh the fact that People are People and some do bad things!This should be taken in consideration..and I do..

 

Its not SAFE NOW to have more than others,Remember the 99%..they want your stuff now.lol

 

I cant keep Parrots..my cats are hunters and keep the garden clear(most of neighbor hood) and dont want that "Gramaw I saw a puddy cat''going on all night..

Realy,I had to take down the bird feed 2 years ago because they tag teamed the feeder!!

 

vonBayern..I totaly understand your perspective,and the fact that your grand mother and father suffered during the second world war.The effects of war leave a mark on the next 3 generations.

My father was a pig farmer during the 30s and he ALLWAYS had a garden even after learning a trade in Detroit during the war.

So lets just say we take the experences of the past and use it to our benifits!

For me its a Basic..its about FREE TRADE...

You got something I want? I may have what you want!..Lets talk shall we?

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Who will be in charge of this operation? No one? Who keeps the peace? Then we would be back to more or less what we have now.

 

I would rather take my chances with just my own family and Maybe a trusted friend. I would not want to live or visit a trading post which has a Communist, Fascist or Socialist in charge.

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I think trading posts are needed, especially as Auto said, during a TEOTWAWKI event. I also think by establishing or gaining knowledge of them beforehand, i.e., farmer's markets, flea markets, locally owned shops, will be great. I also agree with vonBayern that this would need to be a community effort or at least a large group of like minded people. This would be only 1 foundation block to Rebuilding if a tragic event takes place.

I'm partial to John Jacob Astor's and Manuel Lisa's approach from history but these would need to be adjusted and modified to meet modern demands and situations. Much as matt says, it would be to get people working together in the community to rebuild and provide a common goal/defense.

As for historical ideas to gain ideas, look at Bent's Fort, Ft Detroit (1700's), Ft Ticonderoga and several others that were established to trade with the Natives for fur. The American Fur Company, Missouri Fur Company, Hudson bay Company and the Northwest Fur Company are prime examples of how to make these work.

The successful fur traders/trappers moved as companies, some being over 1000 men but mostly split in groups of 20-100 depending on the territory they were working at the time. Our problem is that we have several more people in population but we have the same problem that plagued the original pathfinders; too many would not step up until after it was "tamed". The benefit the original pioneers and pathfinders had was that they were pushing beyond the fringe of civilization, where they were with people of like mind and spirit, where we will be forced to contend with the sheople who expect everyone else to provide for them.

There are several ways we can prep for a trading post and I've seen several people on here post about getting extras (like small pocket knives, hatchets, etc) that aren't expensive but would be highly needed in a post event society. This is already thinking of a trading post, whether it was thought of in that term or not. Another HUGE modern trading post that will be beneficial in hard times is the "CSAs" (not sure what the initials stand for). These are where small scale farmers pool their resources and have customers already established to buy produce or trade one item for another so they can grow a complete line of produce even if each person only has a small amount of land.

I too prep for my family's survival. Being a "hillbilly redneck", we have a saying, "blood is thicker than water, but some water runs awful muddy". I have friends who I call brother/sister and they have proven their loyalty and willingness to help during difficult times. Some have actually placed themselves in harm's way to protect my family during past situations and that offer has been extended and done in return. If possible to establish the foundation for a community trading post/market with people who have a work ethic and common sense (not a possibility for all depending on locale), then I would suggest to do so, if no group is available, then maybe just have items on hand to make small trades. Just the humble opinion of a dumb country boy. *sorry for the length*

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After reading and talking to others here on the Forum for a couple of months,and with the resent Post about Bosnian and what realy Happened there,there is a need that most have not considered!

 

A surcure Trading POST!!

 

After TSHTF people will want things that they dont have!!

Who can they Trust?and not be ambushed?

 

Having a secure place to do the trading needs to be established.

In the book Alas, Babylon..it was near the libary,Most Small communitys in America have farmers markets already and could be used.

 

Again,reading about Bosnia proves we as humans can and will desend back to Primative solutions to fix our needs..

 

So what are you going to do wait till somebody else puts up a "TRADING POST'' or get togeather and make plans??

 

Its just a thought!!

Me Im scouting the local areas to set up a secure point!!

 

JMO..

what do you think??

 

How much for a Parrot?

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Depends ..do you want it to TALK?

If NOT its going to cost you more !!

Silence is GOLDEN...

What you got to trade..kitty kiddy??

 

Thanks Reg 5..he says it much nicer...LOL

 

O.K. weight in gold if it can teach my wife not to talk.

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A trading post is a good idea but you need to make sure that it is basically IN some sort of secure community or hardened such that you can call for help and hold out until it gets there. Once things settle down there will have to be some sort of barter system in place so that you can get what you need while providing something that you can afford in exchange.

 

The trick will be to do it without getting hit by bandits. As in Alas Babylon there will need to be some sort of militia established. I will have a bunch of trading items and to make sure that they are safe I will establish killing fields around my place that will make it a rather bad place to raid.

 

I have a variety of skills and tools that will make me more valuable alive than dead I hope. Over the years I've done a little of everything and am competent at most of them though now a master. I've mechaniced on trucks, cars and motorcycles, I'm a master machinist and blacksmith of sorts with decades of job shop experience and my own shop. I've sold guns, reloaded and gunsmithed, built houses, roofed, am an electrician, plumber, AC/HVAC service tech, I made and sold leather goods such as holsters and such, I garden, and can fix nearly anything. I can make extremely deadly things out of house hold products (Think the Poor mans James Bond and the Anarchist Cook book) I've repaired and poured slabs, and love tunnel digging. My wife is medically trained and together we are an asset to any group. In the past I was Merlin for a couple of groups and can make something out of almost anything.

 

I'm the strange guy that can go in a kitchen and come out in a half hour with a bomb or something. I've made guns from scratch and in a bind I could manage it with basic hand tools if nothing else was available. I've made black powder from scratch and have made booze from Home brew to beer to whiskey in a home made still.

 

I love learning new things and still will add something new to my skills list every year.

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This is an awesome discussion, almost a trading post :) If you are a pauper like me, think of things you can easily accumulate, as well as your skills. And how will you store (package) your kits for barter or charity. I'm saving large size prescription bottles, washed and dried, to hold small fishing kits, or firestart kits. I also found a bunch of old curtain packages, the plastic kind with the zipper. Going to make first aid kits. Saving other stuff that might be needed in my garage..

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Danm...just say Copper Pot and Im in ..Brother!!

Ok so we finally see the need for others..Yes a " ARMED " camp will be needed!!

 

It will take time but Need is the Mother of all inventions!!

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