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http://www.smkw.com/webapp/eCommerce/products/hunting/Case%C2%AE+M+3+FINN+SS+Fixed+Blade+with+Stacked+Leather+Handle/CA0379.html

 

The link is just 1 I found online to show the product, altho the price is comparable for what I have seen them sell for.

 

I've been asked a few times what kind of knife I carry for a backup or as my standard carry. That answer, as we all know, is difficult to answer over the multitude of designs and uses for each blade. It seems that many in the "survival/prepping" movement generally look for a chore/combat knife, like a Ka-bar, Gerber LMF, or other large knife capable of not only cutting wood in a pinch but also big enough to be a weapon for self defense. I know I carry a Rukio Tanto myself, but I also carry the small Case hunting knife in the link as well (actually have 2 of them now). I like the smaller blade for skinning small game and can be used to clean fish if need be, where a Ka-bar isn't a good choice for skinning a squirrel. I also carry the same style Case knife with a 5 1/2 inch blade.

Like all tools, each has a purpose and I feel a skinning knife is a primary tool and I'd choose a skinning knife if I could only have 1 knife to carry.

There are several good ones (Schrade/Old Timer, Ka-bar, Case and Buck to name a few) and they can normally be found at a good price, especially when compared to a combat knife. The best skinning knife I ever owned was a Ka-bar and I skinned 9 deer in 2 weeks (a good year) without resharpening it.

While getting the gear to catch/harvest your food from the wild, also make sure you have the right tool(s) to process that game into tablefare. I'd recommend a full game processing kit for the BOL/home, but these small skiniing knives are worth every penny in my opinion and weigh only a few ounces and take up little room. Their small size also allows them to be used as a paring knife for wild vegetables in a pinch as well.

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JCMS, I like that Bushman knife. It has gotten on my want list...lol. I see alot of push towards tactical knives and for most scenarios, a skinning knife is a better choice. IMHO

The ability to easily convert to a spear is a great asset, so the Bushman has piqued my interest for a "chore knife".

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I think having a few knifes is not a bad thing I carry 5, 3 on me and 2 in the vehicle

 

A smith & wesson assisted opener a Swiss army explorer and a Swiss pen knife on my key ring

then the other 2 a back saw machete and a cold steel Bowie and a hatchet I don't know why but

a hatchet back in the day was part of your camping / hunting gear.

 

hell maybe you can't have too much iron.

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I agree JCMS. I carry a SOG Flash 2, Gerber Gator, Gerber EZ Out Jr, 2 Gerber 600 multi tools, Gerber Guardian 2, Rukio Tanto, tomahawk and the 3 Case skinning knives between my belt, pockets and pack. I have a few other assorted folders also but they are split down to separate pouches and "kits".

 

I also have Gerber machete and several more fixed and folding blades but they are usually packed in the footlockers or in tackleboxes. The extras will be divided among the family when the need arises.

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JCMS, I like that Bushman knife. It has gotten on my want list...lol. I see alot of push towards tactical knives and for most scenarios, a skinning knife is a better choice. IMHO

The ability to easily convert to a spear is a great asset, so the Bushman has piqued my interest for a "chore knife".

 

i own a coupe of these. i highly suggest them. solid knife.

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THese have also peaked my interest. Between the 2, i think i Like the normal Bushman better, 'cause it looks like the blade is centered on the hollow handle, where as the Bowie looks like the blade is off to one side of the handle.

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To be honest both of them would not be ideal.

 

1/ No hand guard, try stabing something with them real hard with your hands. You'll likely cut your self, when your hands slides on to the blade.

 

2/ The handle is way to smooth, if your hands gets abit bloodied, good luck getting a firm grip, you won't.

 

3/ The only thing going for it is the price & using it as a spear, if you attach some sort of pole stick to it.

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AS with everything I have adapted it I welded a finger stop from flat steel a little dremel and file work

it works for me.

 

Most pocket knives have a similar problem do not throw the baby out with the bath water.

 

few things are perfect cold steel knifes are virtually impossible to break they are thick and can be

hammered through tough things like Iron wood / lignum vite in all areas of the world there are these

super tough woods and if your in an area these are some of the best for durable handles for hand tool

and making furniture.

 

A machete even with a back saw is no match for these woods .

 

this is the only one piece knife that can be turned into a spear in seconds it's heft lends itself to hacking

I have a full tang stainless steel Bowie about 16 inches long skull buster butt and a medallion hand guard

just shy of 1/4 inch thick it's full length but it does not convert into a spear it is heavy and not

long enough for a machete.

 

nothing is perfect my Swiss army knifes are for personal grooming and repair and making small wood

objects as well as for whittling and leather work not knife fighting they have screw driver tips

to scrounge parts drilling holes with the awl and the magnifier is good for fire making and seeing splinters

and very small printed circuit boards and tubes lettering.

Is it a combat knife no does it have a finger guard no is it's blade long enough with out special skill to

kill no can it be made into a spear no in fact if someone did not like them they could convince you

enough not to even have one and that would be a mistake.

 

I carry a leatherman style knife with 72 piece kit driver tips and sockets I have added driver tip drill bits.

it cannot do what the Swiss army can nor my back saw machete my machete has been altered to my

hand and style of use.

 

the smith & wesson assisted opener is not a real knife I know it would snap in half it's a heavy as

my Swiss army and has no features no real hand guard half serrated half straight edge with a pocket clip

and that is not at the best balance point it can fall out when setting down it's only real use is it is a

one handed knife for cutting and slashing it cannot drill a hole the blade is too wide. it has a dull

finish so it is worthless as a signaling device it is heavy enough for use as a fist slug like a roll of dimes.

but reality is it is a yuppy city slicker knife / urban string cutter.

 

a leatherman is a great tool but is virtually worthless as a defensive weapon unless you got a minute

to extricate the knife from it's internal body and it is no swordsmans knife.

 

If I could only have 3 knifes / edged weapons they would be the Swiss army the back saw machete

and the cold steel Bushman in either configuration.

 

If I am forced to fight with an edged weapon it is going to be a machete not a pocket knife or a

fixed blade belt knife in fact a folding shovel is better than those 2

you need length weight and leverage in case you wedge it into a static object

the belt knife need to be sturdy enough to hammer with a rock long enough to kill large animals and to

leverage themselves out of a deep penetration without damage.as in carving dugout canoe or splitting firewood or as a spear to fend off large animals as someone said if you run out of ammo what then.

 

my father had an EK commando this is a great fighting knife but not a survival knife we cannot think like

a soldier who has backup and resupply and search parties to find you otherwise you got captured.

or you can scavenge one off the field.

 

Survival means no support you have what you have on you and what you can extract from the wild

to build and fashion into clothing comforts, traps and weapons.

think Robinson Caruso or Jeremiah Johnson versus terminator.

 

urban survival means some hand tools to scrap for metals wood etc like pry bars and hammers

 

there is nothing so complicated as edged weapons 80% are useless tang knifes are junk.

single edge folders junk a good folder needs more than one blade.

unless they have multiple uses they are crap.

 

I looked at the bushman and it can skin hack through the heaviest bone scrape hides used as

a pole spear can hack heavy wood sharpen as sharp as a razor can be used as a digging tool

with out damage digging for roots tubers and shelter.

A half inch triangle of 1/4 inch steel and some file work makes a good hand guard.

 

Remember when TSHTF Zoos will release the animals or leave them it may seem strange but there are

people who are animal lovers and WILL NOT kill them but would rather release them on an unsuspecting

public for a myriad of reasons there could be animals not indigenous that can survive well on humans

as our ancient ancestors they used spears to good effect on large animals ask any Eskimo or Inuit.

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The bushman isn't all that slippery handled. I don't have a guard on MOST of my knives and don't like them. They are mostly decoration and with the exception od a slender dagger made for it, I'm not all that much on stabbing people. I prefer slice and dice and believe me the Bushman is razor sharp. I slit throat is fast and silent. Poking someone isn't fast and hitting the heart is harder than you think. You have to turn the knife sideways and strike between the ribs on the left side with an inward and upward thrust and twist. Even when you get it they have several seconds to do evil things to your body. A slash and step away move keeps you at a distance and even if you don't go for the throat the gut is an easy target. Once you get them there the fight is over. Put the bushman on a stick and I'll guarantee you will win a knife fight. Bringing a spear to a knife fight is almost as good as having a gun.

A knife without a finger guard is lots more useful. How many kitchen knives have them...ZERO. Most of the time my knife is going to be used for things other than stabbing folks. I will even say that I will do almost anything to avoid that sort of thing. If I have to though I don't see me sliding down all that much. I never have even when I've used a fillet knife and that is one of the deadliest stickers there is. Almost as good as an icepick. It is pointy, thin and evily sharp. If you hit a bone you pull back and try again. They are also flexible enough to slide around a rib and still do the deed.

 

Add on....If you want a better grip on ANY knife a roll of friction tape is nice or they make stuff for wrapping rod handles that works well too. I also have done them with 550 paracord over duct tape.

 

One of the most useful knives that I carry is an old carbon steel butcher knife that I've bowie shaped it a little bit. It is razor sharp and great for skinning, dicing and food preparation. If I had to it would serve for fighting though...no finger guard on it either. I've actually cut them off of several knives.

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The bushman isn't all that slippery handled. I don't have a guard on MOST of my knives and don't like them. They are mostly decoration and with the exception od a slender dagger made for it, I'm not all that much on stabbing people. I prefer slice and dice and believe me the Bushman is razor sharp. I slit throat is fast and silent. Poking someone isn't fast and hitting the heart is harder than you think. You have to turn the knife sideways and strike between the ribs on the left side with an inward and upward thrust and twist. Even when you get it they have several seconds to do evil things to your body. A slash and step away move keeps you at a distance and even if you don't go for the throat the gut is an easy target. Once you get them there the fight is over. Put the bushman on a stick and I'll guarantee you will win a knife fight. Bringing a spear to a knife fight is almost as good as having a gun.

A knife without a finger guard is lots more useful. How many kitchen knives have them...ZERO. Most of the time my knife is going to be used for things other than stabbing folks. I will even say that I will do almost anything to avoid that sort of thing. If I have to though I don't see me sliding down all that much. I never have even when I've used a fillet knife and that is one of the deadliest stickers there is. Almost as good as an icepick. It is pointy, thin and evily sharp. If you hit a bone you pull back and try again. They are also flexible enough to slide around a rib and still do the deed.

 

Add on....If you want a better grip on ANY knife a roll of friction tape is nice or they make stuff for wrapping rod handles that works well too. I also have done them with 550 paracord over duct tape.

 

One of the most useful knives that I carry is an old carbon steel butcher knife that I've bowie shaped it a little bit. It is razor sharp and great for skinning, dicing and food preparation. If I had to it would serve for fighting though...no finger guard on it either. I've actually cut them off of several knives.

 

I'm wondering how much knife training you've done. I've been into knife fighting training for about 26 or so years now. 3 times a week, every week. If you feel that you don't need a knife handle guard, then all the power to ya.

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P210SIG, If I planned on killing someone with an edged weapon sticking them is my least likely choice. Give me a machete, an ax or a spear if I'm going to fight with you. I always have a straight razor around and if I am going to do it dirty that is my choice. I try hard not to get in the sort of situation where I would be dependent on my knife fighting skills. I'm sixty years old and too heavy and slow now for that sort of crap.

 

Since I don't plan on doing it I don't see why I would want to handy cap myself with a guard for all the other things I WILL be using my knife for. I, rather than get in a knife fight, will back off and then kill you another way later if I have to. Being old doesn't effect my ability to move quietly and speed isn't necessary when you are planning to get them from behind and unexpected. Even in that case though I would prefer nearly anything to a fighting knife. Give me a baseball bat with nails in it rather than that!

 

One thing to think about...Even when you WIN a knife fight you don't always walk away untouched. After TEOTWAWKI I will avoid anything that breaks my skin if possible. Infection, Gangrene and Peritonitis from a gut wound are all crappy ways to go. I also have had all the sewing done on my body without anesthetic that I plan of ever doing. Biting the bullet SUCKS!! Been there done it got the scars to show for it.

 

My advice to anyone that wants to survive is to get a gun, practice with it until you DON'T miss and carry it at all times after the balloon goes up. Chances of me ever running afoul of someone that wants to knife fight with me are slim to none. I'll shoot his ass if he doesn't shoot me first!

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My advice to anyone that wants to survive is to get a gun, practice with it until you DON'T miss and carry it at all times after the balloon goes up. Chances of me ever running afoul of someone that wants to knife fight with me are slim to none. I'll shoot his ass if he doesn't shoot me first!

 

 

i think something about..."a knife to a gun fight" should be said here lol.

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My advice to anyone that wants to survive is to get a gun, practice with it until you DON'T miss and carry it at all times after the balloon goes up. Chances of me ever running afoul of someone that wants to knife fight with me are slim to none. I'll shoot his ass if he doesn't shoot me first!

So what you're saying is "Don't bring a knife to a gunfight"?

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Getting back to the original topic, this is my backup knife that I have in my Get Home Bag so I can get to my BOB with my LMF II in it.

http://www.realitysurvival.com/air-force-survival-knife-review/

It's a great little knife, and serves all the purposes I have in a GHB knife. And no, epic knife fights is not one of the purposes. I have been considering substituting a KA-BAR army partially serrated knife into the kit, but I like the smaller size of the Air Force Survival Knife.

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Getting back to the original topic, this is my backup knife that I have in my Get Home Bag so I can get to my BOB with my LMF II in it.

http://www.realitysurvival.com/air-force-survival-knife-review/

It's a great little knife, and serves all the purposes I have in a GHB knife. And no, epic knife fights is not one of the purposes. I have been considering substituting a KA-BAR army partially serrated knife into the kit, but I like the smaller size of the Air Force Survival Knife.

 

My father has had one of those air force survival knives for years, as in since before I was born and it's been abused all over the world. It's a very tough, functional knife, and a cut above the ka-bar imho. As for the get home fixed blade I keep my battered, nicked angry looking Cold Steel Kukri under the passenger seat in my truck along with a few other odds and ends. I figure in for a penny, in for a pound.

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P210SIG, If I planned on killing someone with an edged weapon sticking them is my least likely choice. Give me a machete, an ax or a spear if I'm going to fight with you. I always have a straight razor around and if I am going to do it dirty that is my choice. I try hard not to get in the sort of situation where I would be dependent on my knife fighting skills. I'm sixty years old and too heavy and slow now for that sort of crap.

 

Since I don't plan on doing it I don't see why I would want to handy cap myself with a guard for all the other things I WILL be using my knife for. I, rather than get in a knife fight, will back off and then kill you another way later if I have to. Being old doesn't effect my ability to move quietly and speed isn't necessary when you are planning to get them from behind and unexpected. Even in that case though I would prefer nearly anything to a fighting knife. Give me a baseball bat with nails in it rather than that!

 

One thing to think about...Even when you WIN a knife fight you don't always walk away untouched. After TEOTWAWKI I will avoid anything that breaks my skin if possible. Infection, Gangrene and Peritonitis from a gut wound are all crappy ways to go. I also have had all the sewing done on my body without anesthetic that I plan of ever doing. Biting the bullet SUCKS!! Been there done it got the scars to show for it.

 

My advice to anyone that wants to survive is to get a gun, practice with it until you DON'T miss and carry it at all times after the balloon goes up. Chances of me ever running afoul of someone that wants to knife fight with me are slim to none. I'll shoot his ass if he doesn't shoot me first!

 

Danm, something for you & others to think about.

 

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Cool video. It actually makes my point pretty well. You will note that the attacker with the knife is mostly trying to slash and not stab. Most Oriental type fighting knives don’t have a finger guard. This is in part because it is just something else to snag on clothes and such.

 

I never said that edged weapons are not good for attacking someone. They are excellent tools for the aggressor. Unfortunately they are piss poor for defense. You noticed that when attacked the Cop backpedaled. I promise you that he was NOT trying to get room to draw a knife. If he had cleared leather with a firearm Bruce Lee would have been just like anyone else that brings a knife to a gunfight. Even mace or pepper spray would be better than a knife for defense.

 

The fact is though that he NEVER would have stood a chance to draw a gun. He would have been cut up and dying in seconds. Knives are great tools for the assassin or for fast up close attacks. When I used to sell guns and gunsmith on them one of the points I harped on was that guns are only good when I am over here shooting at your ass over there. If I can touch you then you CAN’T shoot me. I’ve proven this over and over and never failed. The old walk up and stick a gun in someone’s gut or face is just a great way to get killed! It works like the thing where someone puts a hundred dollar bill in the gap between your thumb and forefinger and tell you if you can catch it you can have it. Human reaction times are just not fast enough.

 

Up close a knife is better and surer if you are the aggressor. You would NOT believe what I used to be able to do with a pair of Wyoming skinners when I was young and fast. I kept a pair of them in my truck at all times and the cops never looked at them twice.

 

After the balloon goes up I will have a gun in my hand anytime I’m at Defcon 2 or down. I will have a gun ON me, probably in a cross draw holster with a second on an ankle holster and another in my pocket any time I’m not at Defcon 5. Defcon 5 means that I’m asleep, in the bathtub/shower or in bed with a lady and someone else is standing guard.

 

As I’ve aged the chances of me choosing to be the aggressor has waned and my mission has more become one of defending and protecting my sensitive and precious skin and the skin of my loved ones. If I had wised up a lot younger I probably wouldn’t have near the scars nor would I be slowly turning into the bionic man as my joints are replaced.

 

My backup knife in my limited weight BOB will be a Bushman; not because it is cheap, rather because it is the best Multi purpose knife that I’ve found and believe me I have tried a LOT of knives and made a lot of knives. You can skin with it, split wood with it and a club, it throws surprisingly well and makes a spear in seconds. Mine has a variable grind edge so that the part near my hand is a thinner sharper edge while the part farther out is a stronger less delicate edge. The point is like a fishhook; if it touches your thumbnail it digs in and sticks.

 

I own Kabar knives, Big buck sheath knives, Moras, and a truck full of other sheath knives in Stainless, High carbon and Damascus steels some of which I’ve made myself but if my life was on the line and I wasn’t trying to impress anyone then the bushman is my first choice for a back up…it also is lighter than my other similarly sized knives because of its hollow handle.

 

By the way, if you strip the paint crap off of it and either blue it, brown it or boil it in vinegar it actually makes a decent looking blade.

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Cool video. It actually makes my point pretty well. You will note that the attacker with the knife is mostly trying to slash and not stab. Most Oriental type fighting knives don’t have a finger guard. This is in part because it is just something else to snag on clothes and such.

 

I never said that edged weapons are not good for attacking someone. They are excellent tools for the aggressor. Unfortunately they are piss poor for defense. You noticed that when attacked the Cop backpedaled. I promise you that he was NOT trying to get room to draw a knife. If he had cleared leather with a firearm Bruce Lee would have been just like anyone else that brings a knife to a gunfight. Even mace or pepper spray would be better than a knife for defense.

 

The fact is though that he NEVER would have stood a chance to draw a gun. He would have been cut up and dying in seconds. Knives are great tools for the assassin or for fast up close attacks. When I used to sell guns and gunsmith on them one of the points I harped on was that guns are only good when I am over here shooting at your ass over there. If I can touch you then you CAN’T shoot me. I’ve proven this over and over and never failed. The old walk up and stick a gun in someone’s gut or face is just a great way to get killed! It works like the thing where someone puts a hundred dollar bill in the gap between your thumb and forefinger and tell you if you can catch it you can have it. Human reaction times are just not fast enough.

 

Up close a knife is better and surer if you are the aggressor. You would NOT believe what I used to be able to do with a pair of Wyoming skinners when I was young and fast. I kept a pair of them in my truck at all times and the cops never looked at them twice.

 

After the balloon goes up I will have a gun in my hand anytime I’m at Defcon 2 or down. I will have a gun ON me, probably in a cross draw holster with a second on an ankle holster and another in my pocket any time I’m not at Defcon 5. Defcon 5 means that I’m asleep, in the bathtub/shower or in bed with a lady and someone else is standing guard.

 

As I’ve aged the chances of me choosing to be the aggressor has waned and my mission has more become one of defending and protecting my sensitive and precious skin and the skin of my loved ones. If I had wised up a lot younger I probably wouldn’t have near the scars nor would I be slowly turning into the bionic man as my joints are replaced.

 

My backup knife in my limited weight BOB will be a Bushman; not because it is cheap, rather because it is the best Multi purpose knife that I’ve found and believe me I have tried a LOT of knives and made a lot of knives. You can skin with it, split wood with it and a club, it throws surprisingly well and makes a spear in seconds. Mine has a variable grind edge so that the part near my hand is a thinner sharper edge while the part farther out is a stronger less delicate edge. The point is like a fishhook; if it touches your thumbnail it digs in and sticks.

 

I own Kabar knives, Big buck sheath knives, Moras, and a truck full of other sheath knives in Stainless, High carbon and Damascus steels some of which I’ve made myself but if my life was on the line and I wasn’t trying to impress anyone then the bushman is my first choice for a back up…it also is lighter than my other similarly sized knives because of its hollow handle.

 

By the way, if you strip the paint crap off of it and either blue it, brown it or boil it in vinegar it actually makes a decent looking blade.

 

I suggest you look over the video again. Their is stabing involved, not just slashing.

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The knife in my bug out bag is a Tom Brown Tracker. I figure it’ll do pretty much what I want it to do.

 

P210sig, I never thought it took so long to get off the first round. Thanks for the lesson. Being a real estate professional, I often visit the seedy part of time. I carry a Ruger LC9 in a pocket holster. When I get out of my vehicle I usual have my hand on the pistol because I have had some close calls. I also keep what I thought was a good distance between me and ‘trouble’. I now know that I need to increase that ‘safe’ distance.

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