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In my opinion bugging out,or not, depends on the scenario/event,man-made,natural,nuclear

living conditions or location,family.Meaning that city living and country living are totally different settings.

So what,how, do you prepare for, depends on lots of variables.

Any thoughts .

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Absolutely right.

 

In my not so humble opinion, the whole bugging out scenario is wildely overdone. In some scenarios it makes sense, but in many not.

 

!. House on fire - RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!

2. Nuclear attack: Ok, as long as you're not in the first 10-20 mile radius, your best chance is to hunker down. You do NOT want to be in the open. But if you do get caught out in the openj, get into a ditch or a raingutter.

3. EMP??? why would you bug out? It's not going to be better somewhere else.

4. Dollar collapse?? see #3

5. Economic breakdown? see # 3

6. Riot?? get the hell away from it! But, if you et caught up in it, act as if you're participating. Yell, scream and gradually work your way to the outer edges and then get!!!

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You blend in with the crowd the best you can,and run like Hell to distant yourself as fast as you can..

 

Yep been there.68 Detroit 15 and stupid!!!!!

 

Im in WV. and bugging in,But have Alice packs ready if need be.These here mountains offer a ton of defense to those who want to move south from the Northern Citys.Please stay on Rt 77 and 81 going south,otherwise your walking up and down 1800ft to 3500ft mountains,Oh we have Black bear and cougars and a ton of Coyotes just roaming around also..

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6. Riot?? get the hell away from it! But, if you et caught up in it, act as if you're participating. Yell, scream and gradually work your way to the outer edges and then get!!!

 

I think this is what they tried in Shaun of the Dead to get through a zombie horde, too. LOL

 

http://www.spike.com/video-clips/xohyxl/shaun-of-the-dead-good-vocal-work

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As for your question, readytogo, I think that you have hit on a really important point. If we don't know exactly what will happen (and of course, none of us do), we need to make sure our plans are flexible enough that we can adapt them if the scenario we expect ISN'T the one that happens.

 

That's why, even if your plan is to bug in, you should still have 72-hour packs/BOBs in case you're forced to flee. And it's why it's smart to think of multiple methods of getting to your BIL and BOL, so if cars aren't feasible you're not stranded and clueless. And why, if your plan is to essentially absent yourself from humanity when SHTF, it might be smart to poke your head out every now and again to make sure you're not overreacting (a sort of worst case scenario of that is the kind of stupid but funny movie Blast from the Past). And it's why you would be smart to have caches at multiple locations and have supplies at your home even if you plan to head to a BOL.

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We all know that every action has a counter-reaction,where you bugout depends in many variables,and # 1 to me is where you live?,#2,are you alone or with family,#3 transportation/money,#4 actions of other people in your area,riots,looting,etc.And many more that you and I can`t control or predict.

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For me and mine we are at the outer edge of the metro area so we can afford to wait til things get real hairy in most situations we will sit for a while to see if thing level out, the one main instant run scenario is biological, attack or man made or just the flu getting out of hand we will not wait to see how it turns out we are just gone at the first signs. It helps that we are in a good neighborhood, mostly people like us who want/need to be close to he city but not to close, retired couples, tradesmen, etc

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We had a natural disaster a few years back in my area,my friend and family try to bugout,took him 3 hours to moved 1 mile,run out of fuel,and people only help to push him out of the way,so we all know,or better be aware, of the nature of people.

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As for your question, readytogo, I think that you have hit on a really important point. If we don't know exactly what will happen (and of course, none of us do), we need to make sure our plans are flexible enough that we can adapt them if the scenario we expect ISN'T the one that happens.

 

That's why, even if your plan is to bug in, you should still have 72-hour packs/BOBs in case you're forced to flee. And it's why it's smart to think of multiple methods of getting to your BIL and BOL, so if cars aren't feasible you're not stranded and clueless. And why, if your plan is to essentially absent yourself from humanity when SHTF, it might be smart to poke your head out every now and again to make sure you're not overreacting (a sort of worst case scenario of that is the kind of stupid but funny movie Blast from the Past). And it's why you would be smart to have caches at multiple locations and have supplies at your home even if you plan to head to a BOL.

 

Well written. The old military maxim that no plan survives first contact with the enemy is absolute and it holds. If you plan to bug out, be prepared to bug in because you may have no choice. If your plan is to bug in be ready to bug out because you may have no choice. Hurricanes and wildfires can convert a bug in into suicide. Riots and stalled traffic on the only exits can change a bug out to a bug in. We prepare for the most likely but must be ready for either.

 

I'm not arguing about caches, I see a very positive side to them but I confess to being uncomfortable about using them. Once you have cached something, you no longer have it. It may not be there when you arrive to retrieve it. I KNOW that it has to be hidden and then LEFT ALONE but that is tough to do. Not knowing your stuff is still there in good condition is an extra strain, especially if you are depending on it. Of course, you may have no other option. Tough decision.

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Absolutely right.

 

In my not so humble opinion, the whole bugging out scenario is wildely overdone. In some scenarios it makes sense, but in many not.

 

!. House on fire - RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!

2. Nuclear attack: Ok, as long as you're not in the first 10-20 mile radius, your best chance is to hunker down. You do NOT want to be in the open. But if you do get caught out in the openj, get into a ditch or a raingutter.

3. EMP??? why would you bug out? It's not going to be better somewhere else.

4. Dollar collapse?? see #3

5. Economic breakdown? see # 3

6. Riot?? get the hell away from it! But, if you et caught up in it, act as if you're participating. Yell, scream and gradually work your way to the outer edges and then get!!!

 

Everyone needs to buy a clear plastic refrigerator magnate pic holder print this post and stick it on their

fridge.

 

well put Femvet59

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So as you act your way out of the riot, do you fill your arms with little 'gifts' along the way like the rest of the crowd?

 

No tell them you have a way out let them carry it to your vehicle and wack them and take the sh*t

why should you get all hot and sweaty lugging all that beer, girly magazines and flat screen T.V.'s

just make sure there is no camera where your parked.

 

OK let me guess I am not helping, oh well I tried LOL

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No tell them you have a way out let them carry it to your vehicle and wack them and take the sh*t

why should you get all hot and sweaty lugging all that beer, girly magazines and flat screen T.V.'s

just make sure there is no camera where your parked.

 

OK let me guess I am not helping, oh well I tried LOL

 

 

Hahahahaha! Snake you would be a great friend. You would be right there in jail next to me saying "That was fun! Lets do it again when we get out!"

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Absolutely right.

 

In my not so humble opinion, the whole bugging out scenario is wildely overdone. In some scenarios it makes sense, but in many not.

 

!. House on fire - RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!

2. Nuclear attack: Ok, as long as you're not in the first 10-20 mile radius, your best chance is to hunker down. You do NOT want to be in the open. But if you do get caught out in the openj, get into a ditch or a raingutter.

3. EMP??? why would you bug out? It's not going to be better somewhere else.

4. Dollar collapse?? see #3

5. Economic breakdown? see # 3

6. Riot?? get the hell away from it! But, if you et caught up in it, act as if you're participating. Yell, scream and gradually work your way to the outer edges and then get!!!

 

Replying to #3 or any other 'see #3'... If the outage/disaster is projected for more than a week, I'll have to get out of the city. Chaos will start to set in. Generally, in any SHTF scenarion, regardless of the cause... i have to leave, just to avoid getting caught in chaos and food riots.

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I'm not arguing about caches, I see a very positive side to them but I confess to being uncomfortable about using them. Once you have cached something, you no longer have it. It may not be there when you arrive to retrieve it. I KNOW that it has to be hidden and then LEFT ALONE but that is tough to do. Not knowing your stuff is still there in good condition is an extra strain, especially if you are depending on it. Of course, you may have no other option. Tough decision.

 

Completely agree! I wouldn't want to rely on caches for the bulk of my supplies, that's for sure. But depending on what you're likely to encounter when SHTF, having a cache or two could be the thing that makes it possible for you to get to your BOL when you can't make it home first, or whatever.

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That is why i`m somewhat confuse,I`m a prepper ,so I think,several hurricanes have cause

long and short power outages and heavy damage in my area,also riots,tornado alley in OK was another experiance,so we learn to prepared,the best way possible,leaving or bugging out,I guest requires another type of event and better planning ,specially if you have a Family,we all have to remenber that once you abandom your property,is open house for everybody else,the reason why is my question,what will cause you to abandom your property.

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Ok, I'll tackle this question. First the rules for Hurricane and storm type disasters...If you expect rising waters to reach you; LEAVE while you can!! There is nothing you own worth dying for and a storm surge is deadly and will possible take your house whether you are there or not. High winds but no water is totally different. Hunker down in a strong refuge nearby till it passes and then go see what the wind has done to your place. If you leave it may be some time before the authorities will let you return. ALSO, if you evacuate you will get in the way of people that really NEED to get out. This happened during Ike and there were people trapped because the highways were blocked by panicking idiots that should have just hunkered down.

 

Some waited too long and the last that they heard was the authorities telling them over the phone that it was too late and they were not going to send anyone out to get them. They were told to write their personal info on their bodies with permanent markers so they could be more easily identified when their bodies were found. SERIOUSLY! RUN from rising water, do it early and go INLAND! I knew one lady that started in Corpus Christi running from Rita. She went to Houston and then had to run from there to Beaumont on the Texas Louisiana border where the storm caught her and she was stranded there for almost a week.

 

If the problem is localized then you are better to stay home or near to home as long as the threat isn't immediate. Localized riots and such will be handled fairly quickly from other areas that aren't affected. After a big storm aid (such as it is) will be there in a day or two unless you are in New Orleans where they shot at the early responders and had to wait until the National Guard got there to escort them.

 

Widespread civil unrest or a disaster of at least national proportions is totally different. An event that crashed the entire power, transport and communications grid in North America will mean that basically you will be on your own for at least a month. Cities will NOT survive a month without the power and food shipments! The water will stop as soon as the towers are empty and then the sewage system will be gone. The food will be gone from the store shelves in DAYS or HOURS!!! The fires will start and without water or fire departments they will just BURN until there is nothing left. You can shoot at looters but in the end they will burn you out so you might as well cut your loses, save your and your family and get out early.

 

For each person there will be a decision point where they will either leave and live or stay and die. Before that point you have choices, after that point it is done and you are sort of like a ship at sea without power...adrift.

 

Bugging out is not a decision made lightly but there may come a time that it is the only way to survive. If you make plans NOW to bug out if you have to then you are more likely to make that move before it is too late. Don't be like those poor people on the Bolivar Peninsula when Ike came in. There won't be even any reason to write your name and SSN on your body because nobody will even come to collect your remains.

 

Now at this point you are thinking that it is never too late to evacuate if the problem isn't rising water or something physical like that. WRONG! Real fast in a TEOTWAWKI situation the roads will become blocked AND dangerous places to be. If you have a car with gas 2 weeks after the crash then you will be a target. Just your vehicle alone will be worth killing you for. People are going to start changing at once and the longer it goes the more of our civilized natures will be lost. The weak will die fast! By weak I mean those that think that they can depend on ANYONE else to protect them. The cops will not be there and if they are there is every chance that they will NOT be your friends.

 

The small towns will close up and their cops will protect them from YOU! When you have limited resources the old saying about charity beginning at home becomes REAL! If you are at the tail end of a LOOOOONG line of refugees you will be dealing with people whose charity has been totally used up. Places where you will be welcome with be on a first come first serve basis.

 

I can’t tell you when YOUR decision point will be. There are too many possible scenarios and possible places for you to be. I will tell you this though, if you wait too long your chances of survival will be GREATLY reduced. Highway men will be every where and the clusters of people that are secure are not going to want you. Money will mean nothing so your only currency will be basically what you can carry in your mind and on your person. LEARN as much as you can about as many things as you can. There will always be a place for medics and doctors. Certain primitive skills like tinkering and blacksmithing will be of value. Have your tools and maybe a few small examples of your work will possibly be worth more to you than GOLD.

 

The important message that I am trying to get across in my verbose way is this; Think about it NOW. Become well informed through reading and talking to people. Ask your local grocer how often he gets shipments. Do the same with the gas stations. Find out how much water your community has stored in towers and what their average daily usage is. After you have all the facts think and decide now what you can survive and what you can’t and then make sure that you make your decision early and then move fast. Remember, if you move out to soon you MIGHT lose some property. If you move out too late you could cost you and your family their life.

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Ok, I'll tackle this question. First the rules for Hurricane and storm type disasters...If you expect rising waters to reach you; LEAVE while you can!! There is nothing you own worth dying for and a storm surge is deadly and will possible take your house whether you are there or not. High winds but no water is totally different. Hunker down in a strong refuge nearby till it passes and then go see what the wind has done to your place. If you leave it may be some time before the authorities will let you return. ALSO, if you evacuate you will get in the way of people that really NEED to get out. This happened during Ike and there were people trapped because the highways were blocked by panicking idiots that should have just hunkered down.

 

Some waited too long and the last that they heard was the authorities telling them over the phone that it was too late and they were not going to send anyone out to get them. They were told to write their personal info on their bodies with permanent markers so they could be more easily identified when their bodies were found. SERIOUSLY! RUN from rising water, do it early and go INLAND! I knew one lady that started in Corpus Christi running from Rita. She went to Houston and then had to run from there to Beaumont on the Texas Louisiana border where the storm caught her and she was stranded there for almost a week.

 

If the problem is localized then you are better to stay home or near to home as long as the threat isn't immediate. Localized riots and such will be handled fairly quickly from other areas that aren't affected. After a big storm aid (such as it is) will be there in a day or two unless you are in New Orleans where they shot at the early responders and had to wait until the National Guard got there to escort them.

 

Widespread civil unrest or a disaster of at least national proportions is totally different. An event that crashed the entire power, transport and communications grid in North America will mean that basically you will be on your own for at least a month. Cities will NOT survive a month without the power and food shipments! The water will stop as soon as the towers are empty and then the sewage system will be gone. The food will be gone from the store shelves in DAYS or HOURS!!! The fires will start and without water or fire departments they will just BURN until there is nothing left. You can shoot at looters but in the end they will burn you out so you might as well cut your loses, save your and your family and get out early.

 

For each person there will be a decision point where they will either leave and live or stay and die. Before that point you have choices, after that point it is done and you are sort of like a ship at sea without power...adrift.

 

Bugging out is not a decision made lightly but there may come a time that it is the only way to survive. If you make plans NOW to bug out if you have to then you are more likely to make that move before it is too late. Don't be like those poor people on the Bolivar Peninsula when Ike came in. There won't be even any reason to write your name and SSN on your body because nobody will even come to collect your remains.

 

Now at this point you are thinking that it is never too late to evacuate if the problem isn't rising water or something physical like that. WRONG! Real fast in a TEOTWAWKI situation the roads will become blocked AND dangerous places to be. If you have a car with gas 2 weeks after the crash then you will be a target. Just your vehicle alone will be worth killing you for. People are going to start changing at once and the longer it goes the more of our civilized natures will be lost. The weak will die fast! By weak I mean those that think that they can depend on ANYONE else to protect them. The cops will not be there and if they are there is every chance that they will NOT be your friends.

 

The small towns will close up and their cops will protect them from YOU! When you have limited resources the old saying about charity beginning at home becomes REAL! If you are at the tail end of a LOOOOONG line of refugees you will be dealing with people whose charity has been totally used up. Places where you will be welcome with be on a first come first serve basis.

 

I can’t tell you when YOUR decision point will be. There are too many possible scenarios and possible places for you to be. I will tell you this though, if you wait too long your chances of survival will be GREATLY reduced. Highway men will be every where and the clusters of people that are secure are not going to want you. Money will mean nothing so your only currency will be basically what you can carry in your mind and on your person. LEARN as much as you can about as many things as you can. There will always be a place for medics and doctors. Certain primitive skills like tinkering and blacksmithing will be of value. Have your tools and maybe a few small examples of your work will possibly be worth more to you than GOLD.

 

The important message that I am trying to get across in my verbose way is this; Think about it NOW. Become well informed through reading and talking to people. Ask your local grocer how often he gets shipments. Do the same with the gas stations. Find out how much water your community has stored in towers and what their average daily usage is. After you have all the facts think and decide now what you can survive and what you can’t and then make sure that you make your decision early and then move fast. Remember, if you move out to soon you MIGHT lose some property. If you move out too late you could cost you and your family their life.

 

People took to long to get ready,waited to the last minute,fail to prepare way ahead of time

and pay the price,looking for baby food at the last minute,water,fuel for cooking,I remenber that I had ice in the coolers,and 400 pounds of propane,hell I was making bread and cheesecakes after the storm,my neighboards where going crazy,so you are absolutely right.

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