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Hi Folks,

 

Thought I'd describe my bug out bag attempt and get any feedback good or bad or suggestions from the peanut gallery. I’m just a newbie so any advice appreciated.

 

Why a Camelbak and not an Alice, etc?

 

Because I’ve decided that short of a huge environmental catastrophe, the best place for my family to stay for the duration of “events” is right here at home.

 

Hence, the goal of this bag is more of a “bug back in” bag intended to provide for 2 people 1-2 weeks survival outside the house in order to get back home but minimal as possible with the consideration we’ll find enough food, shelter and water along the way back…not live like kings on the road. Hence, I want something light, easy to grab, easy to carry in the car on trips, mountain biking, and not too burdensome to walk for kilometers on our backs etc.

 

I figured it would be better to start with the minimum and add on later. Obviously, I’ll keep clothes and other supplies permanently in the cars. I may consider a larger more comprehensive type of BOB later…..

 

Note: I’m setting up two identical Camelbaks, they’re nearly done so we’ll have double the items listed for 2 adults and 2 kids.

 

Here we go….

 

Fire Starter Kit packed into an Altoids tin (mostly)

 

cotton – 8 balls

Vaseline – teaspoon or so in a small plastic box

Esbit – 1 large tab still sealed

Bic lighter - 1

Waterproof matches – 1 box

steel wool – 1 small roll ½” wide

9V battery – 1

regular matches in plastic film box – 50 (striking strip enclosed and also glued to bottom.)

still need a blastmatch, etc. but looking for something really small.

 

 

Medical Kit packed into an Altoids tin (mostly)

 

Scissors - small

Moleskin for blisters – 3X3 sealed portion

Bandaids lg – 2

Bandaids md – 2

Bandaids sm – 3

Sewing kit – 1

Mecurochrome 2ml vials – 2

Cotton swabs – 3

Coban 3M Self-adhering wrap, blue – 30-inch roll

Benzalkonium Chloride wipes – 2

Asprin – 4 sealed tabs

Triple Antibiotic ointment gel packs – 2

Additional antibiotic gel – 1 pack

safety pins – 6 of various sizes

may try to cram in a small tweezers

sterile rubber gloves - 2 pair

 

 

Toilet articles:

 

small bar of soap - 2

Tampon - 2

Toothbrush kit w/paste - 1

earplugs - 1 pr

comb - 1

shampoo - 1 bottle/pack

 

Utility Items

 

Light:

 

Light stick green – 1

Candle – 2

Small solar charged flashlight sm -1

Small superbright keychain flashlight w/extra batts – 1

 

Nav:

 

Map of local area and surrounding cities – 1

Compass with mirror – 1

 

Com:

 

Cell phone – 1

FRS radio - 1

solar charger - 1

 

Misc

 

Small pad of paper -1

Wooden pencil – 1

Ball point pen – 1

Duct tape roll – 3ft

Garbage bags 20L – 2

Garbage bags 50L – 1

550 cordage – 15 ft

Bailing wire roll – 10 feet

Zipties lg – 2

Zipties sm – 2

Extendable pocket saw – 1

Multi-tool – 1

Whistle – 1

Swiss Army knife small – 1

Razor knife (kind that sharpens by snapping off blade) sm – 1

Aluminum carabiners small – 2

Aluminum cup/pot small -1

Plastic utensils – 1 pack

Bicycle tools/tire patches, etc.

Emergency blanket - 1

 

Food

 

Still working on this; any ideas?

 

Water:

 

Reservoir holds 3 liters when filled

Water purification tabs – 10

Coffee filters - 3

 

Items in easy reach I may carry on my person:

 

Hatchet - 1

Foldable trench shovel - 1

Nasty Bowie type knife with sharpening block - 1

Handguns are not legal in France so this is something I’d need to “pick up” on the way home.

 

Cheers,

 

Wolfe

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Looking real good. I think for its purpose you have a great bag. Only a few things come to mind right now. I might increase the number of water purification tablets. I assume 10 will only do 10 liters and if that is your only source of clean water, you might want to up that. Also, maybe look into an emergency bivy. I dont have any expericne with them, but might work for your type of bag.

 

Question, what type of solar charger do you have? I'm looking to add that for our Bug-in and BoB.

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Looking real good. I think for its purpose you have a great bag. Only a few things come to mind right now. I might increase the number of water purification tablets. I assume 10 will only do 10 liters and if that is your only source of clean water, you might want to up that. Also, maybe look into an emergency bivy. I dont have any expericne with them, but might work for your type of bag.

 

Question, what type of solar charger do you have? I'm looking to add that for our Bug-in and BoB.

 

Hi DC,

 

Thanks for the feedback. I'll up the water purification pills to 20 for each bag and check into a compact bivy.

 

Have not bought the solar charger yet, still researching. This charger would be used for the cell phone, radio, etc. This one looks small and cheap but I need to do a bit more research:

 

http://www.espow.com/wholesale-silver-portable-universal-solar-charger-1350mah-for-cell-phone-digital-camera-mp3-mp4-pda.html

 

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A flare gun should be in your packs.

Even in France they have boats..

 

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81260689/

 

I know this guy is a dumb ass but shows the effect it has on a person.

SUPRISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE DONT TRY THIS AT HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

do I realy need a disclamer?

 

Jesus H. !

 

This guy is a complete idiot!....every nation has them, trust me.

 

Thanks for the suggestion. I will consider it.

 

Wolfe

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Dangerwolfe, Nice bag! I carry a mix of MREs, freeze dried food, and energy bars in my 72-hr BOB. I would assume that by increasing the amount to cover 10 days vice 3 days would suffice. Water will be your biggest issue.

 

I also carry an XTG Technology Ultra-Slim "Solar Portable Battery and Charger" as my emergency power source. It's light (~6 oz) and cheap (~$30 at Amazon.com). I've used it several times in my practice runs and it works as advertised.

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Thanks for the feedback Captain and the tip on the solar charger. It think this is a must.

 

The food situ for this light bag I need to consider carefully. If we starve a few days or even a week or a little longer getting back home it's still doable....but it would be nice to get at least 500 solid calories per day for 2 people for a week into into this small bag....so perhaps energy bars/freeze dried is the way to go.

 

Again, I'm not looking at staying out/getting stuck out in the bush that long, want to return home ASAP to hold the fort.

 

Wolfe

 

BTW: So far with all this crap loaded in, the bag only weighs a couple kilos without water. I imagine fully loaded the pack will weigh no more than 10-12 pounds.

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Dangerwolfe, Nice bag! I carry a mix of MREs, freeze dried food, and energy bars in my 72-hr BOB. I would assume that by increasing the amount to cover 10 days vice 3 days would suffice. Water will be your biggest issue.

 

I also carry an XTG Technology Ultra-Slim "Solar Portable Battery and Charger" as my emergency power source. It's light (~6 oz) and cheap (~$30 at Amazon.com). I've used it several times in my practice runs and it works as advertised.

 

A question or two on the XTG:

 

Will it charge a laptop battery? Have you tried it?

Can it be used to charge AA and AAA batteries, etc? Have you tried it?

 

Any additional info appreciated.

 

Wolfe

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Guest kevin

nice kit..... i'd have a tarp(7ftx9ft) and more paracord (wrap all your handles, woven belt, ect.) ...that's just me...like i said nice kit.

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nice kit..... i'd have a tarp(7ftx9ft) and more paracord (wrap all your handles, woven belt, ect.) ...that's just me...like i said nice kit.

 

Thanks Kevin,

 

I may photo all the stuff laid out and post it once completed if you think it would help anybody. I'm kind of surprised how much gear easily fits in these bags and how lightweight the whole set up is.

 

I will consider a tarp for the BBIB and more 550. I need to test drive this bag a night or two outside, summer and winter to see what I/we can really get by without.

 

In the end I may also make a true BOB designed for months out with all the trimmings.....just in case.

 

Wolfe

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Like where you are going. If you go with a flare gun try for a metal barreled one. I have seen them in 12ga. If you can get the flare gun in 12ga with a 4 or 6 in (10-15cm) you could get 2 1/2" (60mm) shells. If you get bird loads and you could defend yourself close range. (Don't know what would be possible in France.)

 

They make 3000 calorie emergency food bars. They come in per divided "cakes" and store for 5-10 years. They avg. about 400-500g each and they taste like a lemon shortbread cookie(the ones I tried). They are loaded with the vitamins and minerals to keep you going. Some are even vegan, if that is an issue for people.

 

You might also look into one of those multi radio,flashlight, etc, etc... device that has a handcrank/solar panal. Since your trying to work your way back home this might give you some intel on what is happening in that and other areas. A lot of those also can charge other devices. Most of those are very light weight and compact. Here in California they run about $30.00US and are available just about everywhere.

 

Just some thoughts and good luck.

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A question or two on the XTG:

 

Will it charge a laptop battery? Have you tried it?

Can it be used to charge AA and AAA batteries, etc? Have you tried it?

 

Wolfe: I use the XTG to charge my cell phone and Kindle. I have never tried it on my laptop because the PC is not part of my BOB. Thinking about it I seriously doubt it has the voltage output to charge the laptop battery.

 

The XTG will not charge external batteries. For battery charging I have a solar battery charger (SBC) made by C. Crane. It's cheap and a bit larger and heavier (just shy of a pound) than the XTG; it can charge two rechargeable batteries of the same type and size (D, C, AA, AAA). It cannot charge a 9v rechargeable battery (voltage output issue).

 

Both of these solar chargers are packed separately within small faraday cages just in case.

 

Bonne chance avec votre préparation.

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do take it on test runs, it helps seal all the gaps.... btw mosquito netting too.....it weighs next to nothing and is worth its weight.....here anyway. how are the mosquito there?

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Like where you are going. If you go with a flare gun try for a metal barreled one. I have seen them in 12ga. If you can get the flare gun in 12ga with a 4 or 6 in (10-15cm) you could get 2 1/2" (60mm) shells. If you get bird loads and you could defend yourself close range. (Don't know what would be possible in France.)

 

They make 3000 calorie emergency food bars. They come in per divided "cakes" and store for 5-10 years. They avg. about 400-500g each and they taste like a lemon shortbread cookie(the ones I tried). They are loaded with the vitamins and minerals to keep you going. Some are even vegan, if that is an issue for people.

 

You might also look into one of those multi radio,flashlight, etc, etc... device that has a handcrank/solar panal. Since your trying to work your way back home this might give you some intel on what is happening in that and other areas. A lot of those also can charge other devices. Most of those are very light weight and compact. Here in California they run about $30.00US and are available just about everywhere.

 

Just some thoughts and good luck.

 

Hi Ben,

 

Thanks for the feedback. A flare gun is an interesting option. We have boat stores all over here in the West of France by the coast. Never considered it as a firearm, interesting....

 

I've actually seen a review, maybe from this site on these calorie bars. Looks like a great item to have around. May be a bit large for the BIBB but we'll see.

 

I do have a small solar powered flashlight but a regular radio is something I didn't think of. I will take a look on line.

 

Wolfe

 

PS: Good luck to you as well.

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Wolfe: I use the XTG to charge my cell phone and Kindle. I have never tried it on my laptop because the PC is not part of my BOB. Thinking about it I seriously doubt it has the voltage output to charge the laptop battery.

 

The XTG will not charge external batteries. For battery charging I have a solar battery charger (SBC) made by C. Crane. It's cheap and a bit larger and heavier (just shy of a pound) than the XTG; it can charge two rechargeable batteries of the same type and size (D, C, AA, AAA). It cannot charge a 9v rechargeable battery (voltage output issue).

 

Both of these solar chargers are packed separately within small faraday cages just in case.

 

Bonne chance avec votre préparation.

 

Capt Bob, thanks for the extra info.

 

No, I guess I will not have a laptop in the BBIB, lol I was thinking more for home use, but back on subject:

 

What are my true Power needs for the BBIB?

 

- FRS radios, still exploring this but it seems that some can be charged via mini-USB so the XTG may work.

- cell phone - XTG will work

- flashlight - can probably find a cheap and small USB charged model, here's one for example but it has a male plug: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/eb77/

 

I will explore this more but when I actually do get the FRS radios I'll make sure they work with the solar charger.

 

Merci bien!

 

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Having a AM/FM/NOAA/Shortwave is probably worth spending a little extra just to stay connected to the world outside the AM/FM zone

 

Just the first thing that popped up

http://beprepared.com/product.asp?pn=CM%20R950&sid=GOOGLELA&EID=GLACM%20R950&gclid=CNyrg9ypwK8CFQ2Fhwodj1gNxQ

 

Thanks Autonomous!

 

I booked marked this radio. Will definitely consider it for the house and/or a true BOB.

 

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do take it on test runs, it helps seal all the gaps.... btw mosquito netting too.....it weighs next to nothing and is worth its weight.....here anyway. how are the mosquito there?

 

Yes, I really need to test my gear....

 

To answer your question, France has mosquitos definitely, but they tend to hang out only for so just before sunset, perhaps an hour or so. Aside from that you get the occasional mosquitos in the house, especially if you leave the lights on at night with the windows open during summer (French and much of Europe don't use window screens/screen doors). Bug factor would compare to Northern or Southern CA in the flatlands, few bugs.

 

The difference I noticed is that in parts of the US (I lived in Georgia for a couple years) mosquitos come in swarms and literally eat you alive! The bug factor is simply not comparable in most parts of France I've been to including the forests (just before and after sunset excluded....)

 

Still, would not hurt to take some netting and that is a very good idea.

 

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A flare gun should be in your packs.

Even in France they have boats..

 

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81260689/

 

I know this guy is a dumb ass but shows the effect it has on a person.

SUPRISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE DONT TRY THIS AT HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

do I realy need a disclamer?

 

This is the kind of idiot that would sue th flaregun company....

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nice kit..... i'd have a tarp(7ftx9ft) and more paracord (wrap all your handles, woven belt, ect.) ...that's just me...like i said nice kit.

 

Instead of a tarp I carry plastic painters drop sheets they come in several sizes and thicknesses are much smaller to carry and a few small cheap plastic clamps from the hardware store either way are useful for tarps and other things, hang lanterns (I carry a small windup), gear to dry or out of animal reach, etc

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Instead of a tarp I carry plastic painters drop sheets they come in several sizes and thicknesses are much smaller to carry and a few small cheap plastic clamps from the hardware store either way are useful for tarps and other things, hang lanterns (I carry a small windup), gear to dry or out of animal reach, etc

 

Thanks DonDon,

 

I will probably go with thick painter's tarp. Yes, will hang the food definitely.

 

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