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Anyone have any input on using a shipping container (or 2) for shelter? I have some acreage that I could bug out to, but there is no dwelling there. I have thought about putting a shipping container on the lasnd to store some items and to be an emergency shelter if needed. It sure would beat a tent or a lean-to until a more permanent structure could be built. Building a house or cabin on the land is not an option. I dont have the money or the time to oversee it. The land is quite some distance from me. Anyone have any opinions, pro or con on this? Also, anyone have any idea what one costs? I have looked around but cant seem to find a price. All dealers say to call for quote.

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I've heard that they can run anywhere from $2k-$3.5k each.

 

I've seen some people who buy 3-4 and they bury all but one and weld them all together so you have basically an underground bunker with only one showing above ground. I think, for the cost, they'd make a great bug out location that you won't have to upkeep as much as a house and they won't stand out as much.

 

If you're gonna go all in on hidden though, might as well just bury them all underground and have a double dead-bolted hatch with a weighted fake rock covering it. Keep em stocked with water bottles and MREs and dehydrated food(being in the ground they'll be kept cool and will keep longer) and keep something to absorb moisture in them so that you don't get mold everywhere.

 

IN the end, more practical for a hideaway, but will still require you to sink some money into them to make sure they CAN be used long term.

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I have seen folks use an 18 Wheeler Trailer. Basically you have it dropped off, take off the wheels and you are ready to go.

 

They are larger than shipping containers and very easy to deliver. 2-3k for a used one. Just make sure it has metal flooring.

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Just remember with any enclosed space Carbon Monoxide/dioxide is a real threat. If you are using flame sources for light/heat/cooking or are just going to close the door and hunker down you best have a way to exchange air or that bunker could become a tomb. Check out the bomb shelter plans circa 1950 for some hints on air flow requirements.

http://www.undergroundbombshelter.com/

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/engineering/architecture/4325649

 

Also check out

http://www.survivalring.org/downloads/download-set-two/

for a big list of docs that might prove interesting.

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Capt. Bart,

Your mention of fallout shelters reminds me of a family meeting my Dad called back in 1961. We had excavated for an in-ground pool but with all that was going on at the time, he wanted to know what the family thought about a bomb shelter instead. Unanimous vote; pool.

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haha... Go figure. ;-)

 

My whole point of this idea is not to build a fallout shelter or impregnable bunker of doom. I just would like a place to put a few tools and some stores. as wel has have a make-do shelter if the need arose. My land is undeveloped in any way and several hundred miles away. If bug out of foot became my only option, I would obviously like some pre positioned tools, and gear. An already built temp shelter would be nice as well. I would have already traveled a few hundred miles on foot and lived on the ground for days or weeks to get there. I dont think I would intend for it to be a permanent shelter, just a welcome site when I got there.

 

As for the storage, It seems that it would be a little more secure (from theft in the mean time) than a Home Depot shed or any sort of plywood shack that I could build. At least they are heavy gauge steel.

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They are only secure if monitored. The military developed containers into detainee housing units and they would break out pretty regularly; without tools. You will still want to try and conceal it in some way, because most thieves will see it and think "items for resale" since someone went thru the trouble of using a "secure" mode of storage. Like any structure that isn't guarded, it only secures items from "honest" criminals; meaning someone who may steal if given a highly reasonable chance they won't be caught. You could also place one on site and then use an under ground cache to actually store your goods. This will give you a place for shelter and also keeps people moving along when they do not find anything of value. Misdirection could be your best security.

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I like Regulator's idea. A hatch in the floor under an empty crate in the (seemingly) empty storage container. All you'd nee is a shovel to dig out the hole and line it with garbage bags or just put everything in a waterproof duffel bag.The only problem you could run into is if someone tries to turn the found bin into a shelter before you and doesn't want to give it up, or if a group of people comes by with metal cutting tools and turns it into scrap metal. (but I think option 1 is more likely).

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They are only secure if monitored. You could also place one on site and then use an under ground cache to actually store your goods. This will give you a place for shelter and also keeps people moving along when they do not find anything of value. Misdirection could be your best security.

 

Yes, but it is better than just piling it on the ground for the weather and looters/animals to find. I can only do what I can do... Underground storage is NOT an option. It would take thousands of $$$ to get a hole dug, using tractors and explosives. It is in a mountainous area and is mostly solid rock and large boulders with a few feet of topsoil. There is nowhere that you could dig a 3X3X3 hole without hitting at least one rock the size of a 5gal bucket. And you would probably hit something MUCH larger. I remember when the neighbors about a mile down the road (catholic "minister?" and wife) dug the foundation for their house, it had to be blown out!!! Major undertaking. NOT happening on my budget. Of course probably neither is the shipping container...

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Me and a few other people I know discussed this. Its not a bad idea If the money was available. But and easy escape is a must, which is hard to configure. When properly done it could be great. Make a 3d "+" symbol but take away the upper part, so a total of 5. Then weld them, create air holes, but not so that water can get in.

 

You want it flood proof and earthquake proof, contradicting....

 

But not a bad idea at all. You could even use them to mass-bury things if you wanted, like gold, but you'd have to be pretty rich to do that XD

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I have a relative that owns a construction company that can build with these containers. According to him, the shipping container has the benefit of lasting a LONG time with minimal upkeep. The downside is that you're usually going to spend 1.5 to 2 times more money for the project over traditional construction. In your situation (given your story about the minister down the road) it might not hurt to get a quote either way and see where you come out better off.

 

"They are only secured if monitored" is very true. The most secure facility in the world is only so good as the people manning it. Given enough time and determination a BG is going to get in. Is having a remote alarm or monitoring system practical with the property's location (I.E. could the cavalry get there in time to catch someone that broke in)?

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Is having a remote alarm or monitoring system practical with the property's location (I.E. could the cavalry get there in time to catch someone that broke in)?

 

No. Nearest town is 30mins away if the cops if the cops rushed to get there. I am 3 to 4 hours away. No power on site either.

 

I'm not trying to build a fortress or store hoards of gold. Or build a container condo. I was merely talking about setting it on the land to have "someting" to go to. Now, if the SHTF, and I bugged out to my land.... I would be greeted to a nice cozy patch of dirt and trees. Seems to me that a container sitting there would provide immediate shelter if I arrived to a cold rainy night in the middle of January. It would sure beat the hell out of a patch of dirt and a tarp. A wooden structure would be cheaper, but is very subject to rot there. And damage from falling trees and branches. It would suck to arrive on that rainy night to find that a big branch had fallen through it last year and the whole thing was falling in and rotted. It would take a hell of a branch to punch through a container and a hell of alot of rain to make it rot! A metal shed type structure would endure the rot, but could be easily damaged beyond use by the falling branches... Keep in mind, this is in the middle of an old growth hardwood forest.

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how about several smaller tool chests? i see them on job sites( 3x4 , 4x6 etc..,appear to be weather-proof-), then a few bags of mortar and using the rocks on your property,plus a few days labor...) you can disguise the chests, store your goods, maybe in more than one location, and every one thinks they're looking at a plie of rocks.....

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That sounds a lot more plausible and cost effective than shipping containers. Even a Tool Chest and several 50mm Ammo Cans buried could hold a good deal of supplies. You could even have a large tent or similar shelter hidden out there to set up quickly that you wouldn't have to pack with you.

 

Check out this link

http://simplesurvivalskills.com/survival-thoughts-info/buried-survival-caches/

 

These guys use PVC Pipes with threaded end-caps and bury them. These things sell for several hundred dollars online (seriously?), but a trip to a hardware store and you can make several for yourself for around $50.

 

P.S. hooray for my 100th post!

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storage container is a great idea, if youre wanting to have it for a quick shelter, leave it empty and as out of sight as you can. if you need to store some supplies, a locked tool chest inside would be what i would do. How likely is someone to go onto your land, find the container, and loot it? in a shtf situation, you would be at your location before lots of people have even started to grasp what is going on.

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i'm not really worried about looters. The land is in the middle of a National Forest. There is nothing denoting that it is private property, so why go look to loot there. The area that I am considering for the container is not visible from the main road.

 

i contacted several container companies to get prices and received responses from exactly 0 of them. Looks like I wont be getting a container...

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Me and a few other people I know discussed this. Its not a bad idea If the money was available. But and easy escape is a must, which is hard to configure. When properly done it could be great. Make a 3d "+" symbol but take away the upper part, so a total of 5. Then weld them, create air holes, but not so that water can get in.

 

You want it flood proof and earthquake proof, contradicting....

 

But not a bad idea at all. You could even use them to mass-bury things if you wanted, like gold, but you'd have to be pretty rich to do that XD

Putting anything in the ground is sort of the opposite of flood proofing. If it's at ground level it's probably getting wet. In bad floods top soil is carried away by waters moving fast enough to pick up cars. If you bury it deep enough and vacuum pack everything it will still be there but a shipping container worth of stuff is a lot of stuff to water proof.

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Putting anything in the ground is sort of the opposite of flood proofing. If it's at ground level it's probably getting wet. In bad floods top soil is carried away by waters moving fast enough to pick up cars. If you bury it deep enough and vacuum pack everything it will still be there but a shipping container worth of stuff is a lot of stuff to water proof.

 

you also risk the container "flaoting" out of the ground. Gas stations in flood regions will often pump their tanks full of water in flood risk times to keep them from floating out of the ground and busting throught the concrete parking lot. I used to be in the petroleum service industry and have seen a "floated" tank. It was astonishing. Looked like a photo of a sub busting through arctic ice!

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