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Diesel: Is it really important for a BOV to run on it?

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Just asking, because cars that run on good old gas are much easier to find for sale than diesel.

 

I understand diesel gets better MPG on average, but it is also louder, and costlier.

 

Is it worth it? Are the trade offs negotiable?

 

Just wondering, because I am thinking a Nissan Xterra (Which runs on gas) would make a great BOV. Comes with roof racks standard, and there is a plethora of aftermarket parts for it. Lift kits, large tires, etc.

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Not a clue.

 

The point to doing those mods is that should the regular supply of diesel fuel end, you would still be able to use your vehicle.

 

I'm not telling you to make those modifications...I'm just pointing out why a lot of preppers prefer diesel.

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Another advantage is diesel fuel stores longer than regular gas.

 

-But I can see why you would want an Exterra, they are very capable off-road vehicle even without any modifications. My wife has one and it goes through alot of snow, BUT, in my opinion, depending on the number of passengers, an Exterra may be lacking in the amount of storage you will need in a bug out situation. Also, they aren't very economical, we get about 15 MPG, tops. But aside from those 2 things, the Exterra is reliable and will get you where you need to go.

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I think its also because most of the cars on the road are gas, so in mass but out situation the stations will run out. Diesel may be easier to obtain. I also think Ive read somewhere on here, maybe one of Snakes posts, that diesel will store longer than gas.

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There are several advantages to diesel, some of which have been mentioned. In general, what you do NOT want to do is just dump any cooking oil, used motor oil, transmission oil, gear oil, salad oil, or alcohol into the fuel tank. You MIGHT get away with that a few times, but eventually, you will clog the fuel filter, destroy the lift pump, clog and wear the injection pump (especially anything with a Stanadyne or RoosaMaster injection pump) and finally destroy the injectors and carbon the hell out of the combustion chamber and lubricating oil for the engine. The engine doesn't know any different and WILL run on these fuel oils, al the while, disassembling itself in new and varied ways-some kinetic and energetic.

 

On the positive side, maintenance is generally less, as there is less to go wrong with a diesel engine, especially the old GM 6.2 v8, the Ford/Navistar 6.3/7.2 v8, and the Dodge/Cummins 5.9 I6. Parts are easily available and cheap-depending on what you are servicing, and are built to commercial standards, in the case of the Cummins and Navistar engines.

 

Ask if you have more questions. :)

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But another issue with that is, once you modify to say bio diesel, can you still pour normal diesel in? And wouldn't the conversion process be difficult?

 

NP- For true bio-diesel you really don't need a conversion, just to upgrade the fuel lines from rubber to B-D compatible synthetic ones.

Most of the conversions I have researched just add a revised or secondary fuel delivery system with a heater in order to run WVO, you can still run diesel in the primary system.

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most of the modification for an engine to run bio diesel is on the fuel itself.... meaning you have to filter it and make sure impurities which can clog or mess up the fuel delivery system have been removed. Which is also not very difficult once you have the kit.

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The first thing to remember is diesel is safer than gasoline. Storage should be addressed with proper filter systems and additives to prevent stuff from growing in the tank(s).....KEEP the water out. Two... diesel actually is a more concentrated fuel than gasoline, but to realize its full potential the engine needs a few modifications.

Three... bio-diesel is a different animal....learn all you can about how to make it and how to operate the engine with it as a fuel source. Filter Filter Filter.....clean fuel is like clean oil and clean air....all three must be clean to ensure the continued life of the engine. You can mix engine oil with diesel fuel...they even make kits to feed it into the fuel as a way to gradually change the oil in the crankcase (could likely be modified to pull from a bulk tank if a supply of new or used oil was available). There are kits to add propane, natural gas, and even gasoline into the mix. So, if you want to do the research and learn how, it is possible to keep a diesel going longer than a gasoline powered engine. How well any of this will work on the new diesels is open to question. There are too many bells and whistles on the new ones.. Warrior7r has the right idea....get your hands on a good early model unit that is machanical rather than electronic. with the right know how you could even add an air starter to an early model diesel and forgo the battery.

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Hi Partsman, do you have anny links on how to alter a diesel engine to run on alternative fuels and allso how to make those fuels.

 

Another benefit for the diesel is that most farmequipment, medium to larger siced boats, fraight trucks and military cars run on it.

= lots of places whit large storrage tanks:cool:

 

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The 1 kit I had seen (sorry don't have the link anymore) was to run on normal diesel till the engine is warmed up & then switch to biodiesel at that point. Eliminates the need to heat the biodiesel to make it run. Had planned to convert my Dodge pickup till the wife made me get rid of it. She hated the noise & the smell which I kinda liked-lol.

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Your mechanic loveeeees you to have a diesel. The engine maintenance intervals are longer than gas engines but you will pay through the nose for the service when it comes up.. Diesel engines are harder and dirtier to work on.

With high fuel prices and higher maintainace cost the benefit as a daily driver is not a good as you think.

 

Your BOV decision should consider what the mission is.

Transport to BOL?

long time Trans?

Live out of it?

Escape only?

Part of the road blockage on the escape route?

 

How long of an event are you planning for?

How are you going to maintain it in the long run?

Lots of things to think about.

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Hi Partsman, do you have anny links on how to alter a diesel engine to run on alternative fuels and allso how to make those fuels.

 

Another benefit for the diesel is that most farmequipment, medium to larger siced boats, fraight trucks and military cars run on it.

= lots of places whit large storrage tanks:cool:

 

Check out Brian Carpenter, C&E Clean Energy Solutions, Sturgis, S.Dak. 57785 (ph 308 339-0896) www.cecleanenergy.net Also Ed Jones, 26591 Cty. Rd. 22, Warsaw, Ohio 43844 (ph 740 824-3227) These guys are using compressed natural gas along with diesel to power everthing from tractors to trucks. They do have one thing up on the rest of us as they have gas wells on their property, but say that it is still economical even if you have to purchase the CNG. I look on this as a viable idea to extend the use of our vehicles as long as possible. As soon as I can find where I put the info on bio-diesel i will add to this....not the worlds greatest file clerk.. . . . . . . . . . . .

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I located some info on the bio-diesel. A guy by the name of Richard "Dick" Carrier in Wimauma , Fl. is making and useing it in his tractors and heavy equipment. He would be willing to advise bio-diesel makers.

He also recommends these places as good parts sources and info sources. Utah Biodiesel Supply

http://utahbiodieselsupply.com an internet forum 1earth@yahoo.com

 

Carrier's contact info is ph. 813 545-9361 harveyking@hotmail.com

 

Will add more info as I find it

 

This would be a good read..

 

http://laylowsbunker.com/info_pump/Alternative%20Energy%20And%20Fuels/Foolproof%20Biodiesel.pdf

Edited by Partsman
additional info

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I came across some info on using water as a feed stock for creating a booster for fuel....both diesel and gasoline. On page 113 of Best of Farm Show magazine they tell about a couple of devices to break water down and also to keep the electronics from defeating the fuel savings that result from adding the Brown gas to the system. The man with the information is Andrew Herold, 11402 Westview Ct., Beltsville, Md 20705

www.hydrostarlic.com ph. 240 715-5000

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were i live it will be easy to get extra fuel when the shit hits the fan because ill take it out of all the home heating oil tanks around . my hummer sucks it back but it can go through anything but my f250 superduty will go 500 + miles off a single tank and it will get 400 towing the hummer and full of gear . so for me yea diesel is the way to go . pluss alot less issues with water buildup on stored fuel

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Bio diesel sounds great in theory, and I have worked with a couple of the conversion kits including Greasecar as well as some custom built stuff.

 

BUT!! the first time you get a fungus in your tank you can kiss off the entire fuel system an many cases. I did manage to clean and save the injectors and injection pump in a Mercedes without having to replace darn near everything, but that was just dumb luck. And I have yet to meet anyone who actually saved a dime with a bio conversion. It works great for a while, but when it goes bad (and it will) it goes all bad.

 

If you own a diesel, and want to keep it reliable BOV, use clean diesel and nothing else. If you own a diesel and want to save the planet or something, hey knock yourself out and do a conversion.

 

As for adding an air starter, I'm already working on that for mine but it ain't cheep. LoL

Edited by Dr K30

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...On the positive side, maintenance is generally less, as there is less to go wrong with a diesel engine, especially the old GM 6.2 v8, the Ford/Navistar 6.3/7.2 v8, and the Dodge/Cummins 5.9 I6. Parts are easily available and cheap-depending on what you are servicing, and are built to commercial standards, in the case of the Cummins and Navistar engines.

 

 

The 6.2 is built to MIL spec's.

 

I have a 200 mile daily commute. That's right 200 miles every work day. I bought a Chevrolet Cruze with the 2.0 turbo diesel. The worst mileage I got was in January when it was -25 degrees. I got 33mpg. On hot summer days I have gotten as high as 64mpg. Coming out of the Rockies on summer vacation for a 25 mile stretch I got 87mpg.

 

With the turbo I can pass anything I want. I was cruising at 90+ thru Utah and Idaho and still got high 40's.  

 

Last week My son's home was broken into and some electronics and a handgun was stolen. I raced to his home. I did 103 miles in 1 hour and 7 minutes and averaged 47.8mpg.  

 

I've got 116,000 miles on it in 2 years. I've replaced the tires, wiper blades, timing belt, fuel, air and oil filters.

 

I am very happy with a diesel and am looking at replacing my pick-up with a diesel, either the Colorado or a Wrangler.

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good call but todays diesels are to technically infested as long as we are not in a EMP problems I would say diesel are a good alternative.

many diesels require diesel exhaust fluid and if it runs out you have so many miles or the vehicle will shut down leaving you afoot.

 

I do see the new diesel engineering eventually ruining a good thing as they have a lot of crap made them too interdependent on computers and cameras connected to the CLOUD I like to call it the clod all hail the clod it holds the wisdom of the ages and all the porn.kneel to the clod praise the clod we have connectivity and streaming .................

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