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keep your hands to yourself and everything is peachy if not we take it to the next level.

I would accept some guff but no one needs to be hit on period if that is the

way it is, just pack and go.

 

whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

if you quantify all women as untouchable you create a problem,

I know many who are doing life sentences for every heinous crime

there is.

there are ladies and women and ____________ place your favorite

derogatory name in blank.

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This is interesting. I hadn't thought about it but you're right. You don't really hear about real cases anymore. In fact I've never really known a battered woman, but I used to be one (30 years ago). I guess everyone hides it, but it would be nice to think that any guys who would do such a thing just realized how lame they are.

 

You guys are true gentlemen. I'm happy to have found such an honorable group.

 

Abuse takes many forms. The dude knows he can go to jail for the physical. But there is no law against cussing at and demeaning and belittling someone. Over time, this creates a hatful, fearful and totally subservient 'prisoner'.

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Abuse takes many forms. The dude knows he can go to jail for the physical. But there is no law against cussing at and demeaning and belittling someone. Over time, this creates a hatful, fearful and totally subservient 'prisoner'.

 

 

Mental abuse will also take it's toll pyhsically. No one, I repeat, no one should go

through either. A couple of friends of mine who are LEOs said, that's the scariest

situation there is to have to go to is a domestic violence call.

 

 

I don't care who you are, you don't hit (abuse) any woman whom you've told

you love. PERIOD!

 

 

A threat/combatant, now that's a different scenario.

JMO

 

dr

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OK, this is a big topic for me. First let us establish that not all females are ladies and not all males are men. We'll skip all of the political crap that goes into the the 'inclusiveness' training too many of us have to endure and cut to the chase. A MAN gives his word sparingly but never breaks it, respects all who will allow him to respect them, is courageous (Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway - John Wayne quote and I could not say it better), does the RIGHT thing regardless of consequences, gives his love to one woman and loves her so completely it is easier to think of not breathing than not loving her, protects the innocent and teaches the ignorant. That is just for starters. I've done several hours on the topic but I won't bore you with it here. A male may be a 'sperm donor' but he IS NOT A MAN unless he does the things a man does.

 

One of the reasons my bride wanted me to have a CHL is because we both KNOW that if a lady or child is being harmed, I WILL BE INVOLVED IN STOPPING IT. The only thing left to consider is how hurt a 63 year old ancient pelican is going to get starting a fight with a 28 year old. (HINT: me and Sam (Colt) resolved the issue to everyone's satisfaction except the 28 yr old - the police explained it to him and nobody was physically harmed.) The rules may change some after TEOTWAWKI but I suspect not by much.

 

To my mind, a lady is NOT some wall flower who faints at trouble. You want a real example of ladies look at the diaries kept by the pioneer women (or better yet, my bride). I note that in the American West of the 1800's you might rob, steal, maybe even kill, and run away to safety. Harm a woman and there was no place on the continent safe for you with the possible exception of the eastern cities. In my world, it is still that way.

 

OK, soap box put up. I do recommend

http://www.amazon.com/Ride-Shoot-Straight-Speak-Truth/dp/0873649737

by Jeff Cooper, either book or ebook.

Read it and then teach it to your sons. It is important.

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Well said, Capt Bart.

 

Along the lines of what makes someone who is genetically male a "real man," I would like to submit for everyone's consideration Gene Autry's Cowboy Code. He frequently referred to having a code, and actually put rules on what kinds of movies his production company would make based on whether it fit this kind of moral and ethical criteria. He was quite an American.

 

The Cowboy Code

 

1. The Cowboy must never shoot first, hit a smaller man, or take unfair advantage.

 

2. He must never go back on his word, or a trust confided in him.

 

3. He must always tell the truth.

 

4. He must be gentle with children, the elderly, and animals.

 

5. He must not advocate or possess racially or religiously intolerant ideas.

 

6. He must help people in distress.

 

7. He must be a good worker.

 

8. He must keep himself clean in thought, speech, action, and personal habits.

 

9. He must respect women, parents, and his nation's laws.

 

10. The Cowboy is a patriot.

 

 

For what it's worth, I don't necessarily think these rules should only apply to men. Women may be, on the whole, physically weaker than many of the men they encounter. But that's no excuse for not ensuring personal strength, strength of character, or for failing to act on behalf of others who need your protection when you are able to provide it.

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Well said, Capt Bart.

 

Along the lines of what makes someone who is genetically male a "real man," I would like to submit for everyone's consideration Gene Autry's Cowboy Code. He frequently referred to having a code, and actually put rules on what kinds of movies his production company would make based on whether it fit this kind of moral and ethical criteria. He was quite an American.

 

The Cowboy Code

 

1. The Cowboy must never shoot first, hit a smaller man, or take unfair advantage.

 

you don't know any small bull riders do you?

and if we would have taken this to heart we would never had won the war in japan..

 

2. He must never go back on his word, or a trust confided in him.

 

go along with that one as long as the other party does not crawfish on his end..

 

3. He must always tell the truth.

 

only if my lawyer says it's OK as we are not all cowboys, and tell the truth...

 

4. He must be gentle with children, the elderly, and animals.

 

you apparently did not know me and my friends when we were kids and my kindly elderly OK some

were cantankerous and we were respectful out of fear and you must not know any dogs we had

they ate the paint off the rims of the mail jeep and the postman had a stick to keep them down till

he could shove the mail in the box.

 

5. He must not advocate or possess racially or religiously intolerant ideas.

 

your obviously not from around here....

 

6. He must help people in distress.

 

unless he got them in that situation on purpose...

 

7. He must be a good worker.

 

unless they try to screw me out of wages then the sh*ts on

 

8. He must keep himself clean in thought, speech, action, and personal habits.

 

Roy Rodgers is dead and he did not ride with us and even he had his enemies I watched his show...

 

9. He must respect women, parents, and his nation's laws.

 

Parents he ain't got a choice they will slap the snot out of him, women as long as they are nice.

and in germany the police condoned the beating of JEWS so that all depends

 

10. The Cowboy is a patriot.

 

Now that is a hard one you ask some of my vietnam eara buddies dying from agent orange and unknown

diseases at the V.A. that question and you may get different answers.

 

I'll pick and choose my own fights and rules as in my experience some people move the target

to suit them, so I move my rules to suit my target in that case. Or in Roy Rodgers terminology

head them off at the pass...

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I'll pick and choose my own fights and rules as in my experience some people move the target

to suit them, so I move my rules to suit my target in that case. Or in Roy Rodgers terminology

head them off at the pass...

 

There's a lot of sense in that, Snake. And I don't think all of these can apply in a SHTF scenario, either; for example, you may not be able to offer aid to someone in distress if the risk you take isn't just injury to yourself but life-or-death, or if it's something that will negatively impact the survival of your family. But when you are able, offering aid is still the better choice.

 

Gene Autry was describing an ideal from his standpoint in the 1940s, when we had a much clearer understanding of friends and enemies, people were in more traditional and easy to understand roles, we didn't have decades of corruption and betrayal from government leaders as part of our everyday consciousness, etc. Things are a lot more messy now than they were then, and some things are much better and some things are clearly worse.

 

That said, a lot of the rules seem to be about not setting yourself up as a bully and not victimizing those weaker than you, of holding to the center of your moral compass and acting in accordance with your beliefs. And those are good things to strive for regardless of circumstances.

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oregonchick:

 

your right to want to and try to aspire to these great cornerstones of a civil and decent way of life

and we should try our best, and I detest a bully lowest form of human IMO.

 

Since the 1950's the catch them alive and everyone deserves a fair trial and the lack of common sense

has caused the explosion of our prison system population so it will be very very dangerous

out there and is right now but totally crazy when they are let loose upon an unprepared or

suspecting world as most times it only gets a few lines in the papers or a blurb on the news.

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Lots of good words that we all should do our best to live up to, while remembering the LEOs are right domestic violance is truly scary, there is a House of Ruth in every town of any size, there are women that are more dangerous than most men, and the number of people you can really trust can likely be counted without taking your shoes off.

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