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I pretty much agree with IHopeThatitsZombies. This guy has a long history of calling in "suspicious people" to the police who happen to be black youths (as young as SEVEN), and then he stalked this kid through his gated community after being told by the 911 dispatcher to back off. A confrontation was inevitable, whether Trayvon Martin came after him or tried to run away, because Zimmerman had already decided he was a criminal who needed to be taken down AND had decided to play policeman instead of letting the professionals handle it.

 

That the police let him go from the scene looks incredibly bad for good reason. And yes, I think this will give people a lot of (pardon the expression) ammunition to push for more gun control.

 

I don't think it's a hate crime per se, since it's doubtful he set out to kill someone because he was black, but I think it sounds very likely to be a crime based on this guy's inherent racism or distrust of blacks. I know some people are trying to point out that Zimmerman is Hispanic as a way of saying it isn't a race-based crime, but that seems stupid. It doesn't have to be a white-on-minority situation to be racially motivated.

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Uh oh...here we go. I agree as well. This guy Zimmerman seems like a wingnut. Apparently his father was a judge and his mother a court clerk so some people are saying that he's getting special treatment. He had a fight with a LEO and a couple domestic violence charges that were supposedly squashed. We weren't there so no one can say for sure. But it doesn't look good.

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it always amazes me that some one will touch that third rail BUZZZZZZZZ and i think you may have here.

 

I am going to let the police and FBI do their job, I was not there and do not want to be part of

 

the background noise I feel the family was within their right to ask that this be looked into.

 

but all the face f@ckers sticking their face into any camera for their own aggrandizement are not helping.

 

The shooter did not listen to police granted but, what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty.

 

the FBI is on the job if this shooter guy lied they will find out, he had to have made a statement it

 

will be used to exonerate or convict him none of us are a witness and we have no right to an opinion,

 

until all the facts are known because we are undermining our criminal justice system by tainting

 

the jury pool with national sentiment not facts.

 

I hope that should any of us be murdered or on the other side of the equation that we allow our

 

system to work we have laws ignorance in not a defense we all know that leaving the shooter at large

 

may be a ploy by the police or all that can be done until his statement is proven out.

 

on the other hand this kid was not as perfect as it seemed here is a red flag

 

this guy seems to be a wanna be cop another red flag

 

the shooter was supposedly hit or attacked? must have been reports stated he had a bloody nose.

 

and was not arrested.

 

there are red flags and I hope that justice is done unfortunately some will never trust the law nor

.

will some think a child can do anything to deserve being shot

 

this boy falls into both categories of not yet a man and not a child but how do we know what the

 

shooter saw or thought.

 

that is why I want the law to handle this if this kid was white would we be having this conversation?

 

the shooter looked Hispanic but is being portraited as white, around here he would be thought a

 

Hispanic, I do not know and think it is to early to make any judgment.

 

the left is using this to quash the stand your ground law that is their motive if some of you

 

who are women think this is a bad law you need to take track and field classes because it will

 

have more detriment to your ability to defend yourself, against a drug crazed or psycho with a

 

weapon like a board or a rock go ahead run and get your brains bashed out before you can defend

 

yourself because retreat does not say how far so you could still be convicted under a technicality

 

even if your right to defend yourself was valid because the law is still the law.

 

I do not like any of it it is bad all the way around and no matter what the outcome it will cause ill will

 

either way we are a polarized society and mistrust our government and law enforcement so how

 

can it work or be fixed either the criminal has the edge or us law biding citizens there's no middle

 

ground and with our cities facing cuts more criminals will roam the streets and states with carry laws

 

are less dangerous than those who do not one side states it is because of harsher laws the other

 

that fear of armed citizens deters crime.

 

we all know that statistics can be warped to fit any political whim and that is sad that truth is dead

 

and a moral morass of sloshing opinion is heralded as fact.

 

IMO

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This is a heated topic where I work, since we do business in Sanford, FL regularly. There is also a lot of media 'spin' on both sides of the case, which I think is really hurting whatever justice we have left in the criminal justice system.

 

This morning, someone 'leaked' the surveillance videos from the internal camera system of the police department on the night of the incident, to show that the shooter did not have facial injuries/broken nose and so forth. What disturbs me most is that the video from inside a police station made it onto the internet, before the shooter even has a trial date. Things like this make it real easy for both sides to shout 'corruption' and 'the trial was a farce' no matter how it ends up.

 

Here's my opinion, based on what I can find out about the facts in the case:

 

The facts-

The kid was no angel (given his problems at school, etc), but he lived in the area, and he was unarmed.

The kid was walking in the rain, not engaged in any other sort of activity (like tugging on car doors, etc).

The shooter was not hired by the housing authority to be a security guard, nor was he a member of the actual Neighborhood Watch program.

The shooter called 911 to report a suspicious person, and was told NOT to follow the kid or confront him.

The shooter did pursue the kid, words were exchanged, the kid was shot and killed.

The shooter was arrested and taken into custody, but the DA declined to press charges (stating that he did not believe there was enough clear evidence to get a conviction).

 

Everything else has been media circus, after the fact speculation, outright hysteria or lies, and legal smokescreens by both sides of the case.

 

My opinion-

When you pursue someone to confront them, you essentially lose your right to 'stand your ground' and claim self defense - unless you are a duly authorized law enforcement agent. The only thing the shooter did correctly was call 911 and report what he saw as suspicious behavior. Going to confront the kid changed his status from 'alert and responsible citizen' to 'self appointed crime fighter'. That's a very polite word for 'vigilante', and it put the shooter on the wrong side of the self defense equation. Even if he had seen the kid smashing in a car window and jacking the stereo, he is not, under the law, allowed to shoot at the kid (you may not take a life in defense of property). All the tragedy stemmed from that single act - choosing to pursue and confront the kid - and would have been avoided had the shooter simply obeyed the 911 dispatcher's instructions.

 

I expect the shooter will go to prison for murder in the 2nd degree.

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It's a bad deal either way. I don't think it deserves national media attention, but the race baiters have been quiet lately so they're due.

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The race baiters are getting called out on that photo you posted, TheMcs. The picture of the kid without a shirt on isn't even Trayvon Martin. From past experience, I KNOW reporters are horrendously lazy, so as far as photos go, they took the pic given by the Martin family (that shows a happy, well-adjusted-looking kid) and the first photo they could find of Zimmerman (likely a DMV photo) because his family isn't really talking to the media.

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The rush to judgement by the poverty pimps is typical. The Black Panthers have put a bounty on Mr Z, Spike Lee tweets the wrong addy of the perp, endangering an old couple and the leftist MSM has had their panties in a wad from the get-go just praying that the guy is a TEA partier. Turns out the wing nut is a Democrat...just shocking I tell ya.<sarcasm> I 'd rather indict someone after LE has had a chance to do their job

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OK, regardless of what I think, there are several FACTS that are being ignore:

1. The right to 'stand your ground' WAS forfeited by the act of pursuit.

2. The 911 operator really has no authority to tell you to not follow. (you're not in police custody)

3. With a couple of RARE exceptions, the calls for 'JUSTICE' have been calls for a legal lynching.

4. The Sharpton/Black Panthers/etc. are bigots calling for racial unrest - absolutely NO BETTER THAN THE KKK that they claim to hate! They should be arrested for conspiring to violate the kid's civil rights; don't hold your breath on that one.

5. If placing a bounty on someone who is NOT CHARGED WITH A CRIME is not a crime, it SHOULD be.

 

Can you tell the entire thing has me ticked? No matter what really happened, we'll never hear the truth from PRAVDA. We are either a nation of laws or we are not. If we are not, then vigilantism is an acceptable method of securing our homes. If we are, then the bigots need to SHUT UP and let the legal process work.:mad:

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My constant belittlement and down right Hatetred of the "Panthers" seems to be spreading..I watched a city burn because of them..Detroit..60s...

 

Go ahead offer a BOUNTY on MY head.PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry its very personal with me.I lost friends because of the "panthers", young men like myself trying to get by..now Im an enemy..because Im white,thats hard for a young man to except at

age 14..

JMHO

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i just wonder how many other kids have been killed since this shooting that are being ignored.......once again snakes right, let the legal system do it's job.......and tell al sharpton and jessie jackson we look forward to seeing them next time some hood rat kills a family of three for their suv. i'm sure they will be there demanding justice for those people too....after all THEIR not the least bit racist are they.

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i really have to start reading all the posts before i reply.....sorry capt. not stealing .....just agreeing....but you said it better as always.

 

matt........wonder if a white man would be able to offer a bounty on another race with impunity?

 

 

 

please forward all hate mail to:

dess nuttss street

upyours town texas

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it always amazes me that some one will touch that third rail BUZZZZZZZZ and i think you may have here.

 

I am going to let the police and FBI do their job, I was not there and do not want to be part of

 

the background noise I feel the family was within their right to ask that this be looked into.

 

but all the face f@ckers sticking their face into any camera for their own aggrandizement are not helping.

 

The shooter did not listen to police granted but, what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty.

 

the FBI is on the job if this shooter guy lied they will find out, he had to have made a statement it

 

will be used to exonerate or convict him none of us are a witness and we have no right to an opinion,

 

until all the facts are known because we are undermining our criminal justice system by tainting

 

the jury pool with national sentiment not facts.

 

I hope that should any of us be murdered or on the other side of the equation that we allow our

 

system to work we have laws ignorance in not a defense we all know that leaving the shooter at large

 

may be a ploy by the police or all that can be done until his statement is proven out.

 

on the other hand this kid was not as perfect as it seemed here is a red flag

 

this guy seems to be a wanna be cop another red flag

 

the shooter was supposedly hit or attacked? must have been reports stated he had a bloody nose.

 

and was not arrested.

 

there are red flags and I hope that justice is done unfortunately some will never trust the law nor

.

will some think a child can do anything to deserve being shot

 

this boy falls into both categories of not yet a man and not a child but how do we know what the

 

shooter saw or thought.

 

that is why I want the law to handle this if this kid was white would we be having this conversation?

 

the shooter looked Hispanic but is being portraited as white, around here he would be thought a

 

Hispanic, I do not know and think it is to early to make any judgment.

 

the left is using this to quash the stand your ground law that is their motive if some of you

 

who are women think this is a bad law you need to take track and field classes because it will

 

have more detriment to your ability to defend yourself, against a drug crazed or psycho with a

 

weapon like a board or a rock go ahead run and get your brains bashed out before you can defend

 

yourself because retreat does not say how far so you could still be convicted under a technicality

 

even if your right to defend yourself was valid because the law is still the law.

 

I do not like any of it it is bad all the way around and no matter what the outcome it will cause ill will

 

either way we are a polarized society and mistrust our government and law enforcement so how

 

can it work or be fixed either the criminal has the edge or us law biding citizens there's no middle

 

ground and with our cities facing cuts more criminals will roam the streets and states with carry laws

 

are less dangerous than those who do not one side states it is because of harsher laws the other

 

that fear of armed citizens deters crime.

 

we all know that statistics can be warped to fit any political whim and that is sad that truth is dead

 

and a moral morass of sloshing opinion is heralded as fact.

 

IMO

 

Snake,

That is splendid. I could not have said it better my self. I fail to see how the same people who do not trust or believe the media, all of a sudden believe everything they spout out.

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This is a heated topic where I work, since we do business in Sanford, FL regularly. There is also a lot of media 'spin' on both sides of the case, which I think is really hurting whatever justice we have left in the criminal justice system.

 

This morning, someone 'leaked' the surveillance videos from the internal camera system of the police department on the night of the incident, to show that the shooter did not have facial injuries/broken nose and so forth. What disturbs me most is that the video from inside a police station made it onto the internet, before the shooter even has a trial date. Things like this make it real easy for both sides to shout 'corruption' and 'the trial was a farce' no matter how it ends up.

 

Here's my opinion, based on what I can find out about the facts in the case:

 

The facts-

The kid was no angel (given his problems at school, etc), but he lived in the area, and he was unarmed.

The kid was walking in the rain, not engaged in any other sort of activity (like tugging on car doors, etc).

The shooter was not hired by the housing authority to be a security guard, nor was he a member of the actual Neighborhood Watch program.

The shooter called 911 to report a suspicious person, and was told NOT to follow the kid or confront him.

The shooter did pursue the kid, words were exchanged, the kid was shot and killed.

The shooter was arrested and taken into custody, but the DA declined to press charges (stating that he did not believe there was enough clear evidence to get a conviction).

 

Everything else has been media circus, after the fact speculation, outright hysteria or lies, and legal smokescreens by both sides of the case.

 

My opinion-

When you pursue someone to confront them, you essentially lose your right to 'stand your ground' and claim self defense - unless you are a duly authorized law enforcement agent. The only thing the shooter did correctly was call 911 and report what he saw as suspicious behavior. Going to confront the kid changed his status from 'alert and responsible citizen' to 'self appointed crime fighter'. That's a very polite word for 'vigilante', and it put the shooter on the wrong side of the self defense equation. Even if he had seen the kid smashing in a car window and jacking the stereo, he is not, under the law, allowed to shoot at the kid (you may not take a life in defense of property). All the tragedy stemmed from that single act - choosing to pursue and confront the kid - and would have been avoided had the shooter simply obeyed the 911 dispatcher's instructions.

 

I expect the shooter will go to prison for murder in the 2nd degree.

 

Survivalcyclist,

I can agree with your assessment of the situation and the possible verdict. He will have a tough time finding an impartial jury. The trial has already been tainted.

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Well let's see now, I can remember a few years back when a young white couple was out on a date in Knoxville Tennessee they were carjacked by 4 or 5 black guy's and taken to one of the black guy's house next to the train tracks, if memory services me correctly they killed the white boy right off the bat, but kept his girlfriend alive and raped her a number of times, then bashed her head in, set her on fire and then threw her in a trashcan. All the black guy's had long police and prison records. But guess what boy's and girl's, Jessie Jackson didn't show up and speak up for the dead white couple and neither did Al Sharpton and I don't think Spike Lee Twittered the black guy's address and I almost positive that the MSM or Black Panthers put a bounty on their BROTHER's useless F**king heads. Now go figure that one

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Here in Texas

 

a black man was drug to death behind a truck with a chain, the panthers showed up and Quanlx

and a few other demanding justice blah blah.

The mother of the deceased GOD LOVE HER made a statement to the fact that this is Texas

and she had no doubt justice would be served and we did not need all those outsiders making trouble.

 

LMAO she was right Texas many have odd considerations, those who have never been here,

but we do not care what color you are if your an azz your gonna' pay and they were and did

as I recall they were given the death penalty.

 

as far as I could see he was not a mean or hateful but his killers were and got tried and convicted.

I loved that the whole town seemed to feel the same as the mother, my heart went out to her.

it seems that the people who need their family most and I think are more deserving it is a crying

shame that the people who murder them can only die once.

the mother needed her son, she was older and that was all of her family.

 

God Bless Texas I think He has and as long as we do what we are suppose to I think He will continue.

IMHO

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Commissar Obama has ordered the murder of a few American Muslims with drone strikes, in particular a 16 year old boy.

 

Black on Arab hate crime...?

 

Hypocrisy knows no bounds.

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"she had no doubt justice would be served and we did not need all those outsiders making trouble"

Again we see common sence....

BUT when you have "humans" looking for a fight or to pursue an adjenda,WELL than it should be meet with the same TRUTH and Questioned WHY ARE YOU HERE?????

But Oh heck NO we cant ask That question it would mean that REV.AL/ Jessey /would have to GET A JOB..

Keven as far as a bounty is conserened/

 

OH HECK NO..a person of any culture that does not meet the "socal standard" of being oppressed!!!!Will be called a Racist !!!!!!!!

(op·press

verb (used with object)

1.

to burden with cruel or unjust impositions or restraints; subject to a burdensome or harsh exercise of authority or power: a people oppressed by totalitarianism. )

 

Well Im OPPRESSED,but what the shit people have been useing the IRISH for 1000 years as slaves and drafted them into Armys cence ROME..

 

Ill get over it....LMAO...now its there turn..GET OVER IT..Do something constructive..

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Last thing I heard (from a reporter in Orlando who went to the scene)

Was that Zimmerman lost sight of the kid, went around to the front of a building to

Get an address and was then confronted by Martin (all 6 ft 3 inches of him)

and was getting a butt whoopin when he shot.

I'll agree that Zimmerman was overzealous to say the least, but it sounds

Like he stopped persuing Martin and then was attacked.

Stand Your Ground laws have no bearing as far as I can see.

No clue why That was started in the news. My money says mistrial, followed by race riots.

Jessie and Al won't be in danger though. Their job is to start crap then move on.

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all these face f@kers on the tube are creating hatred and then they tell us that whites are the problem

of all hate and evil I cannot figure that one out.

 

now BART in San Francisco is trying to squash first amendment rights under a vague law but these

same leftist commie socialist fascist social engineers were whooping it up during the arab spring.

OWS as well as this Trevon issue but now that it does not suit them and then

hailing twitter as the savior of the oppressed in the middle east but when they feel the pinch they

reverse course two faced bast@rds that is what left leaning over educated moron does.

do as we say and not as we do.

 

And that is why I am so against the left because even if the idea is OK I know there is a hidden

Easter egg that we haven't found getting more rotten until it explodes in our faces like

the health care law it was ment to cover those who had no health care and now we see it was

a power play and it does have death panels and it has so many issues that make everyone

uneasy and any major company that does not offer health care like McDonald's and other can

opt out with Nancy Pelosi's blessing.

 

our government is so corrupt and uses race and we still have

forced hiring of minorities type this into any search engine and look at all the forced hiring issues,

affirmative action how in the hell is that not bigotry or racist or and under handed statement that

minorities are not capable of competing in our society I would be embarrassed to have that jacket.

 

Now whites are the minority LMAO when are we going to see a white al sharpton

or quanlx or rev jackson maxine waters and of course our Texas home mother shelia jackson lee

when are whites going to start rioting and burning down half a city and the police cower in their

substations quaking in their boots for fear of being prosecuted if they so much as touch a minority

in a clash on camera.

 

It is a crazy world and I do as I please when I please and anyone who does not like it can kiss my

posterior and then meet my lawyer he's a great guy only because I know him other lawyers can

suck on a cat turd.

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Well let's see now, I can remember a few years back when a young white couple was out on a date in Knoxville Tennessee they were carjacked by 4 or 5 black guy's and taken to one of the black guy's house next to the train tracks, if memory services me correctly they killed the white boy right off the bat, but kept his girlfriend alive and raped her a number of times, then bashed her head in, set her on fire and then threw her in a trashcan. All the black guy's had long police and prison records. But guess what boy's and girl's, Jessie Jackson didn't show up and speak up for the dead white couple and neither did Al Sharpton and I don't think Spike Lee Twittered the black guy's address and I almost positive that the MSM or Black Panthers put a bounty on their BROTHER's useless F**king heads. Now go figure that one

 

thats how it usually goes bro.

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