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republican,democrat,libertarian,independent,......left,right,center...and the list goes on and on.

 

we all have our leanings. i'm sure most are passionate about their thoughts on the subject. i know i am.

 

i'm sure your wondering,"what does any of this have to do with General Survival?"....which is exactly my point.

 

it seems more and more we here at survival cache are being defined by our political leanings and less and less by how many ways we can purify water........which one helps you survive better?

 

i like a good political fight as much as anyone. but if you can teach me a better way to preserve coffee i don't give a rats a$$ if you love nancy pelosi or ron paul.....just pass on the know how.

 

i wonder if a sub-forum titled GET READY TO RUMBLE!!! or the like wouldn't work well......you wanna duke it out about politics pop in THAT forum....rip someone a new one....but when you leave that thread you leave the fight THERE.....or maybe i should just mind my own business.

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I agree with you Kevin I feel some threads have gotten a bit off topic and negative. I have commented on some of. These threads so I'm not completely innocent here. Its one thing to have some playful banter but when it turns a bit nasty its a bit childish in my book. Once threads start going that way I just stay out and try to find useful information elsewhere.

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i'm as guilty as anyone.....just trying to be better.....as always.....i have 5 life times of improvements and only 40 years....if i'm lucky.

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I simply dont comment on anything political. Its very, very simple... you will not change someones mind about politics. Its like the law of gravity or something. Once you are a Republican, or Democrat, or Tea party, or my personal favorite, the PARTY party, you can not allow anything to change your stance or beliefs on anything.

 

Seriously, I cant remember one time in my entire life that I have ever seen a Democrat convince a Republican that welfare is a good idea, or vice versa with any topic of your choice. Seriously people, leave the politics at home, and focus on poking fun a justcallmesnake! Oh, and teaching me how to preserve coffee, because seriously, if I cant keep my wife in coffee come TEOTWAWKI, I might as well get a divorce now. ;)

 

P.S. I picked on JCMS because he has a thick skin, and he is funny as hell, and he is getting better at using punctuation!

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hey i never meant ppl shouldn't make fun of snake.......that's a god given right......kinda like grabbing a tiger by the tail tho.

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I don't belong to a political party, because there is nothing that is 100% right, if something looks like it is the best way for you, then it sure as hell is equally bad for somebody else. Thats why I like this forum(usually). People are trying to help others and learn. But lately there have been problems, this is not a political forum, but it's easy to turn to the political BS to get people talking. I'd just as soon read about some boring old thread about growing turnips or trapping game than about who's right or who's wrong. Maybe I'm in the wrong place.

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I have a simple political philosophy at this point in time. its easy to share and with the exception of wording probably not offensive to most political views.

 

The only thing we choose in our electoral system is what favor of lube we get fucked with.

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I'm as guilty as anyone and I'm sorry if I ruffled any feathers but we do have a conundrum:What if it's a political upheaval that is our SHTF event?

When I saw the thread title, that's what I thought it was going to be about.

 

And in the spirit of depoliticizing the forum, I will respectfully remove my sig. (even tho it was pretty catchy. lol)

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the way things are going that could be the case.....if it is i hope my side fires the last shot.....not the first.

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I have a simple political philosophy at this point in time. its easy to share and with the exception of wording probably not offensive to most political views.

 

The only thing we choose in our electoral system is what favor of lube we get fucked with.

 

If you meant "Flavor" I totally agree. I'm a registered Dem bc my parents are and I was young and stupid. But I disagree with them more often than not. Most likely bc I have seen how the world really is

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I know I'm new and haven't gotten involved in much, but I have to say that, even when things get a bit out of hand or tilted too much in any one direction, people do come back down to earth and get back to the business at hand. I appreciate that and I appreciate how you're all willing to help the new and ignorant (pointing finger at no one but myself here).

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I simply dont comment on anything political. Its very, very simple... you will not change someones mind about politics. Its like the law of gravity or something. Once you are a Republican, or Democrat, or Tea party, or my personal favorite, the PARTY party, you can not allow anything to change your stance or beliefs on anything.

 

Seriously, I cant remember one time in my entire life that I have ever seen a Democrat convince a Republican that welfare is a good idea, or vice versa with any topic of your choice. Seriously people, leave the politics at home, and focus on poking fun a justcallmesnake! Oh, and teaching me how to preserve coffee, because seriously, if I cant keep my wife in coffee come TEOTWAWKI, I might as well get a divorce now. ;)

 

P.S. I picked on JCMS because he has a thick skin, and he is funny as hell, and he is getting better at using punctuation!

 

Schoeny sorry I missed this originally but thanks for the positive comment on my punctuation.

 

I do not know how thick skinned I am but the doctor needed bolt cutters for my circumcision

 

I am more a republican but I vote locally any who are able and responsible it can be good to know

people personally when they walk the walk and talk the talk and keep their word at a local level

i can easily vote for an independent or democrat.

I am a Christian but I am not one who considers anyone can impose their will on others if we are free

then we should have a right to do what we choose.

I am in agreement that both sides should be presented before an abortion and alternative as in

adoption there is no one answer for everyone.

Welfare is for those who cannot work not too lazy to work or as a adjunct to poor wages if as an example

mentally challenged work full time but have trouble meeting their needs and even entertainment

as well as the elderly and for those who are partially disabled but do not make a decent wage we

can help with medication and prosthetic's or lifts and chairs etc.

BUT paying for baby factories is stupid one kid that is it unless a father died on the job

as grownups we should be able to come to some consensus of how to help real people with

real problems not thugs on drugs and lazy prostitutes pumping out children like a PEZ dispenser.

I like to help people not enable them.

 

I do not know where the idea of a heartless Republican {big business} came from and I assure you

all politicians talk out of both sides of their face we the people have to hold them accountable

I hate all this polar opposite crap the left is too far left and the right really is not right but wavering

to whatever side of center this dance make me pissed but I cannot in all good conscience vote for

those who give our money to people who are not citizens or are to lazy to work or ten years of tax free

business operations and if your from a country under diplomatic protection order you can receive

90,000 per family member. and more benefits paid for by you or US the tax payer.

 

If your are an American of either party you should be boiling mad if your not then you should be required to give more to off set your conviction because most Christian / republicans do we call it charity I know

and myself give to the church and to a few other groups that give food like food bank and kitchens

also clothing and paying bills for the disabled as well as foreign groups that are christian based.

 

I think charity begins at home the American government has sold all of us out and know if we the

mass in the center can only see past the bureaucrats we can make our country functional again.

 

as far as politics of prepping I hope people are very cautious no matter your political affiliation

or religion or even if not interested this is a possible mark against us our government has made it plain

that they will not tolerate by use of force if that does not get your hackles up your brain dead.

there was a post on executive orders these should make you shudder to your core.

I thought we were free we have a constitution we have rights but then we have had numerous

presidents suborn these basic rights under the guise of national security.

what me having an extra can of beans makes me a antagonist or enemy of the state?

our government want us to be volunteer first responders with what our good looks?

I cannot tell you how confused I am, policy and actions are tearing our country apart

and it is not just this term it has been going on for many many years.

 

now for the funny part "were all gonna' die" it's just a matter if your on your feet or

cowering in fear it is our choice a real one time no refund choice and because your here

I think you have already made it.

prepping is a lifestyle not a now we do it and now we don't problems will never go away

and weather and natural disasters will happen even after we are gone from this earth

in 1910 the boy scouts were established here is their Oath

 

http://www.usscouts.org/advance/boyscout/bsoath.asp

 

we would do well the preserve this ideal even as adults IMHO

 

 

 

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i wonder if a sub-forum titled GET READY TO RUMBLE!!! or the like wouldn't work well......you wanna duke it out about politics pop in THAT forum....rip someone a new one....but when you leave that thread you leave the fight THERE.....or maybe i should just mind my own business.

 

 

lol that would never work.

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DonDon

 

well no subject is sacred we delve into all facets of prepping and

conscience for scenario purposes.

 

 

there are people who hide behind a veil and shemagh I am not one.

If a person hides too much then what good is his teaching.

if you are not going to throw a few comments on politics or beliefs

and sex is a subject that we play coy with as we have younger members.

 

but it is your right to post as you please.

 

I only know that a commie taints his view as well as any other group religion or political

affiliation people talk about sports and I have seen more violent arguments on that subject

than all of the others and sports included fist fights.

 

what do you think is driving the prepper world if it is not the assault on our rights

our beliefs and free speech as well as the undermining of our children's education

then what is left to talk about canning peas?

there are already sites devoted to this and camping as well as shooting

so this site would be of no value.

we have good moderators and our opinions may or may not have merit at least we do not

subscribe to violent speech or rhetoric except when it involves self defense,

{or should not}

 

we spitball informally ideas and planning as well as have some good hearted kidding

sometimes people can be testy but that what the moderators are for.

 

socialist and Marxist are not allowed to speak about politics outside of its form

and not no but hell no on religion and speaking anything but glowing love for the

ones in power will get you summarily shot so if we are going to follow that line

what values are we imparting here fear mongering stifling of ideas.

 

this ain't the USSR yet everyone states this is a free country until you run afoul of

their sensibilities and then they want to shut you up or belittle your ideals and thoughts

that is not the freedom I and a few generations of my family fought some own

real estate all over the world its only 3x6x6 foot but it was bought and paid for

in blood sweat and lead.

 

I have many friends of all kinds, if I were a lone tree in the forest it would be a warning

sign I was too erratic one way or the other but I have plenty they are dying off but

i still have a good cross section of humanity the one common thread is they are

honest and fair.

 

some years back we had 20+ people for Christmas dinner 1/2 were not Christians

some could not eat beef one couple no meat and a few did not drink liqueur

even a few law officers a couple ex cons and a few foreigners

there were no fights no arguments or pithy comments but a lot of laughing and stories

swapping info and showing kid pictures there was even a priest who said grace,

I am not Catholic and he was gracious and planted a fine prayer on us.

and those who were not of our faith were polite and we offered them "equal time"

and we all learned a bit more than when we started

and everyone loves fireworks and good music 50's 60's 70's and a few carols

 

what was all that about, people can respect and converse without being jerks

or ragging on someones idiosyncrasy's, accent or choice of food.

none of us have a choice of where and whom we are born to but we do have a

choice to be civil if only that most of our problems would evaporate

 

that is my opinion and how I try to conduct myself it takes little effort to say thank you

please and have a good day and have compassion for those who are suffering.

if your good will is rejected avoid those people and hang out with decent ones

there are plenty around.

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Snake I am not saying that anyone should hold their tongue on any subject here that they have a honest interest or concern, just that civility and respect are important, I have always use this piece of advise and many others from my grandfather(s) to remind me when in the world that it is difficult to keep some conversations pleasant

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Well there's your problem

 

DonDon point taken

 

 

crAz314

so after we are all in the crapper those responsible will not be held accountable?

We are not going to have a purge?

this has never happened EVER blame is always affixed and it spreads like cancer.

 

depending on who ends up on top as to who will be held to blame it is not about

right and wrong.

 

Anyone thinking we will come out on the other side better and stronger has never

cracked a book there is at a lost generation and then a rebuilding should the forces

of GOOD prevail.

Should the forces of EVIL rule I give you Russia, China, and many others we have been

told that the wonderful world has been gravitating toward commercial democracy

and those narrow minded enough to believe this have no clue of how sh*t scared the

populations are in those countries.

People still disappear on a regular basis they don't have a milk carton campaign because

everyone knows where they are, DEAD...

 

We have people here who cannot understand basic principles especially if it involves

a family member THE DEATH PENALTY lawyers have made it so expensive so that

the argument it cheaper to keep them is "true" since when has time cost more most

death penalty cases take no more time than others trials so that is not true.

if it cost a million to try a person for stealing a half million what we should not try them?

EVIL never takes a holiday.

everyday that SOB breaths on this earth is another day to create destruction

 

Guess what side is all about abolishing the death penalty?

What side want to make abortion on demand but a 7 day waiting period on a gun

what side wants to ____________________ put your flavor in here.

 

I think you will see what the problem is one side wants all the power and any victim

is left out of the equation there is no justice right or wrong.

politics is the DEAL it is the civil battle ground for the soul and future of this nation.

 

Many years ago I noticed that those who perceived a problem and gathered sentiment

for action were more likely to manage than to work asked for donations and donated the

least once you understand that the money given by those with money is nothing to them

they pay it in tax or they give to organizations so standing there with a billboard check

is free advertising and they personally get adulation and recognition.

 

Prepping has always been about politics our understanding of the failure of our leaders

to act in time for our individual needs is why people prep the diabetic the cardiovascular

patient, people with children and grandchildren.

 

I never understand why those with a political party in power of their choosing prep

after all if they voted for them then they should be able to walk on water? right.

They got your back, your their friend and they love you LMAO

 

I am surprised every day by the ignorance of people who think that you can separate

a person from their belief system or values IE a corrupt man is corrupt a child molester

is a child molester a good man is good and a amoral man is amoral so why are people

surprised when they vote for a moron and get one or vote for someone they do not know

and get it.

 

religion is the same it cannot be separated we have tried and it is tearing us to pieces

if one side wins you will have no individual freedom so I do not want to see dots on

foreheads or demonic symbols on tee shirts or robes on monks and no more damn

bedsheet MOONIES at the airport NO NONE ZERO veils or hats with slogans no jewelry

with any f@king symbol period everyone has to wear one color because we know

that atheism is a religion of no religion the absence of belief does not mean there

is not a belief of some kind that is where stupid people do not get it.

On a clear day the air is still full of crap in fact after a crap the air is full and that's what

you will have freedom from religion a lot of nothing that stinks to high hell

 

and in every list for prepping I see a compass, why?

If you do not know where your going any place is better than here

if you need a physical way to find direction then why does religion seem

so foreign

A sign of your direction and depending on it as to your point of view or

forward motion, hell is south east and west is never ending as when does

east become west?

North is up and out into eternity and never ending adventure as the

universe is large and expanding as well as forming new planets all

the time.

If you do not believe in hell then there is no justice no good or bad

no pain or suffering no peace or war there just "IS"

and when your dead there's "nothing" just how in the hell does that work

science states there is an equal and opposite reaction but atheist say

no there's not...counter intuitive to my mind

IMO

Edited by juzcallmesnake

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dingI have such a varied set of political leanings that I amnnow not sure what I am. I generally consider myself politically right of Atilla the Hun in most things, but I loathe and despise most of our state and Federal politicians with a passion for the self-serving self-rightuous pandering (an impolite definition is called pimping), just to get and keep their power. I LIKE good decent people with a solid core of good decent values and a strong desire for self-reliance, I for one while a newcomer here appreciate the civility I've seen so far here. I used to love to discuss politics now it raises my blood pressure too much to see the

Stupid politicians sodomizing their own electorate. It makes me nuts to see the aoathetic sheeple or as I heard them called on another forum not related to prepping, "freecheesers" meaning those that EXPECT entitlements as opposed to those needing them for valid reasons. I despise those that game our welfare system whatever their reasoning is' as well as those , who take advantage of the innocents in our society as well as predators of any kind. I think most of us here, I'm guessing, have a decent outlook on life in general, and LIKE to help others with similar interests.

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Well there's your problem

 

crAz314

so after we are all in the crapper those responsible will not be held accountable?

We are not going to have a purge?

this has never happened EVER blame is always affixed and it spreads like cancer.

 

My comment was meant more blaz'e than anything. I just meant I agreed every post on here didnt have to be a political argument.

Believe me I know you can't remove people's beliefs from their actions, since thats kinda how the action comes about in the first place. Individual perception is laced into everything that goes on, big or small, hence people fighting so much. Wasn't removing anyone's accountability.

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