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Mods are more than welcome to delete this. I've spent most of my adult life carried by the winds of fate. A lot of what i know is hear-say or personal experience. I'm not a military lifer, or a west Virginia hillbilly. I inhabit a gray area between them. I enlisted in the national guard to serve my state and country. Soon after enlistment I was dragged into the war on terrorism, like many of my brothers in the various branches of the active duty. Unlike them I had to face a drastically narrowed employment market when I was at home. I know everyone talks about he whole "Your civilian employer can't fire you when your deployed or deploying nonsense", but the reality is that I live in a non disclosure state so they can fire you for whatever and never have to say why. I've lost three jobs, good paying jobs to the national guard, yet I've held my peace, yet now with all of the falling apart broken down soldier going on I still face the "part time, not a real soldier" nonsense.


It drives me insane having to listen to people that have never had to listen to walk the citizen soldier line talk about how we are not only inferior to, but less dedicated to our country than the guys who spend twenty years sucking the government nip, without having to worry about things like housing, the next paycheck, or how we're going to balance our civilian employer against our state/federal job. It isn't an easy thing telling your boss that you have to leave for possibly two months to deal with floods, yet we do it.


It isn't my intent to take away from the guts who have had to deal with the grim and nasty out there in the sand box, but to point out that along every step there was some joe with the weight of a mortgage and civilian employer along for the ride, and yet we are still disregarded as substandard while we eat the same bullets, and absorb the same IED's as every other active duty branch out there with less support and yet we're still not good enough. WTF!!!!?????!!!! I spilled blood on the same sand, and would do it again no question, yet I'm relegated to the nosebleed section in the sacred brotherhood that is the military because I didn't jump into the army out of High school and tried to have a life separate from it.


To any Mod reading this, I immediately apologies for idiocy, but damn... things have been less than stellar lately and I know that I'm behind the curve civy and military because of my dual status and I'm inappropriately venting.

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I never served, but I'm every woman whose father was always gone, who sent her husband, son, brother, nephew off to war (declared or not) and watched them come back, never whole, or not come back at all. For all of you who served, in whatever capacity, in whichever branch of service (although we know that Navy and Marines are top of the list :P), our hearts are filled with pride in knowing you and sorrow for the sacrifices that have been made.


As DocWalt and Tinderwolf said, nothing but respect here. By the act of standing up for your country alone, you are due respect, gratitude, and a place at the head of the line when it comes to jobs and services.

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All of you men and women that serve have my undying gratitude.To me there is no part time service person. None of you went in seeking fame and fortune. Only a sense of duty. You all are on the top of my admire list and I only wish you the best.

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The only thing you missed was a "Rant Warning" and I think the title served that purpose. No harm my friend. I notice that the only time some folks try to make an issue out of Guard service is to belittle someone who served. I grew up along the Texas coast and our Air Defense was a bunch of "weekend warriors" flying century series fighters. Those things would kill you in a heart beat, by the way. Anyone who thinks otherwise can't pour p*ss out of a boot with the instructions written on the bottom of the boot!


All too often, we have sent our guardsmen into combat when they were NOT properly trained for it. OJT is tough when the job we're talking about is combat. I've kidded my share of guardsmen as well; but I've had them flying my wing into a hot LZ so I don't take any crap from anybody about them being substandard.


I also don't have much sympathy for the guy who spent 10 years in the guard going thru school and then whines about his first deployment being a hardship on him. It works both ways, for both active and reserve/guard, so I sympathize with your anger.


Just the not so humble opinion of a rather opinionated old pelican.

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St. Patricks day is one of three days of the year that I'll let myself drink more than two beers. This particular St. Patricks took a turn for the worse when I got into an unexpected physical altercation and my truck was vandalized by a couple of younger active duty service guys. No one was hurt fortunately, but the entire situation seemed to have been kicked off because of the nature of my service.


The situation put me into an odd mood which led to this post. I was going to ask for it to be removed, but I've received a few PM's that suggested I leave it up. So I will with the Mod's blessing.

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Well its selfish of me to say, but Im glad it wasnt someone here on SC that led to your rant. I for one like your posts and your insight. Its pretty obvious you ran into some duche bags on St. Pattys! Just being in the military does not make a person a saint, or even someone I would be proud to call a fellow American. The military is home to the same problems we have in civilian life... druggies, thieves, lazy S.O.B.s, etc. And though most are weeded out relatively quickly, there are always some bottom feeders that figure out the minimum they need to do to skate by.


Im sorry you had to deal with some of the afforementioned sacks of.... well, you know!

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The military is a cross-section of American society. So it will have representatives of all the diferent social groups. There are saints and sinners from every walk of life. It's always amazed me how we can all be so different, yet pull together during "the moment" to shock and awe the world with our overwhelming military might.


I don't think the two young marines I got accosted by were necessarily sacks of ****(of course I don't know them so maybe they are), just liquored up and acting foolishly. The entire justification seemed to be that I was not active duty, not sure what that has to do with anything, but you can never really know what going on in another mans beer haze. I'm just glad it happened on St. Patrick's almost any other night I would have been carrying and someone may have died or been seriously injured. I've never been responsible for the death or serious injury of a brother in arms, and I'd hate to have one more sin weighing my shoulders down.


This is of course after sobering up, when I was still hammered I was in a pretty murderous mood, mostly over the graffiti they covered my truck in. I'm just thankful they used what seems to be lipstick or grease pencils, I'm okay with all the key marks, it's a truck not a sports car after all, but I don't have the money to get it repainted if they'd decided to scribble on it with something more permanent.

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any service man or woman deserves respect in whatever capacity they served. most of my family is military, my dad was marine my brother air force. several uncles in army, many cousins still in afghanistan even. my husbands parents were both army. i have several cousins in national guard and even one in the navy. to disrespect any of those branches is to disrespect family, and not something i hold lightly. had my circumstances been different i would have served as well. id love to chalk it up to st patricks day and plain stupidity, but it angers me nonetheless. glad no one was hurt.

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Just my personal opinion, but liquor doesnt excuse thier behavior. In fact in -my- eyes, it reinforces my opinion that they are pieces of crap.


From the age of 21 to probably 29, I litteraly partied my a$$ off. I probably averaged 4 nights a week at a bar or night club, and I was never one to leave sober. In those ~8 years I managed to get into -0- fights that were alcohol related. In my entire life I have been in one fight, and that was to protect a woman from a woman beater. Even then I did not deface or destroy his car. Im sorry but in my opinion people that do stuff like that are worthless, regardless of whether or not they are armed forces. Alcohol isnt an excuse, but yet so many people allow it to excuse dishonorable behavior.


Sorry for the rant, but people who behave like that just push my buttons exactly right. And the rant is in no way aimed at you VT.

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Dude, while I may joke with Nasty Guard its a sibling rivalry thing. Got nothing but respect for anyone that raises their hand and swears to uphold and defend the constitution. Except Navy j/k lol



I think you meant coast guard as they are both on the water it would be easy to confuse

them the best way to tell them apart is the coast guard wear those MAY WEST VESTS

and can wade to shore, the navy does not bother they are so far from shore wearing

a dickie around your neck ain't gonna help.



Just pickin' on the coasties someone needs to as 9 out of 10 non military when asked

to name the services forget the coast guard, but they sure know who to call when there

dingy or ship starts filling up with water.


as to this thread I cannot express how unfortunate that people act in such a

despicable fashion our society has crossed the line to where it is US versus THEM

we have had this problem for a long time America is not the family of love it's more

like the Adams family meets the Berverly hillbillies.


I know that all of us vets have come under some bias at some point and time.

having learned not to take it too personal but many times you can not help it.

The only advice I can give is we all have our mountain to climb civilian or

current or ex military or national guard.


Life is not fair and sometimes, it seems very cruel just remember it can always be way

worse little consolation I know.

there are forgotten people in mental institutions and homes for invalids the

mentally challenged try writing a list of all the people whom you

would not want to bear the burden they have and many have died in their insanity or

delusions without having accomplished anything or being a part of something as powerful

and singular as our military and some have tried but due to medical problems could not.

And then again the military has helped to make some insane

{I feel much better now that they got my meds right}.

All I can say is try not to take yourself too seriously and sometimes God has a

different plan if you do not believe then it's a ruff patch hell I am not a counselor

I only know I look over my life and do not know how I got from there to here and

the longer I live the less I am sure of anything and that is why I count on God.


Negative thinking erodes your life the people your hating or upset with probably

do not even remember you, the old renting space in your mind scenario.

So live your life to the fullest and do not waste time with azzholes and looser's



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okay snake, that made me cry. hit a little too close to home there. my ex is a former marine, and a good man, but the military messed him up pretty bad. 4 tours in iraq, he was a sniper there, and developed ptsd because of the things hed seen and done. now he works at a subway, barely making minimum wage and has lost 4 marriages because of his traumas. he drinks to forget, though it never works, and i realized i just cant reach him either. i wanted to go into the army, was set to go after high school, when i became bipolar and things spiraled from there. at 17 i had my first son, but by then my health was in steady decline. so i cheer from the sidelines for our red white and blue, and hope someday that change will take place so that people wont have to go through the hells that our boys and girls go through in and out of the service. ive got a support the troops ribbon on my truck for you guys, all of you that serve.

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Vicious, nice strike with the marine/lipstick comment. Lol


Words I could shrug off, vandalism would piss me off more. I'm impressed you are so philosophical about them, even now. The keying off a vehicle is inexcusable.


Anyone who says "take me" gets my respect. Those two are d-bags and will learn, you may never get an apology, but hopefully they'll get smart quick.


I've teased the other branches in good fun, but if my butts in the fire, I know y'all are on my side and I am safe.


I'm sorry for your mistreatment, hopefully they tell someone wiser about their adventure and are educated.

Edited by Gilla
Verb tense

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Dude! You're outa line! JMO

Grant it, it was pretty chittie and most obvious the two in question were thinking with their lower brains but don't knock us lifers down. I can understand you're being upset.

The MPs or Provost Marshall should be brought into this and they should be dealt with by the UCMJ.

Your vehicle should be repaired!




If you're having problems from your deployment by your employer(s) get DAV involved!! If you're deployed, you might not get your old job back, but you're guaranteed a job with the company you left.


1. Know Your Rights: There are many federal (and also state) laws in place to protect you, first and foremost being the Uniformed Services Employment And Reemployment Rights Act (USERRA). Be sure to familiarize yourself with this Act, and check with state offices to see what other benefits and protection you qualify for.


2. Avoid Job Conflicts: Don't take your employer's support for granted, and be sure to work with him or her to make your transition in and out of the military as smooth as possible. There's a guide to (Avoiding Job Conflicts).


3. Use Your Support Services: Be sure to check out the National Committee For Employer Support Of The Guard And Reserve (ESGR), which will help both you and your employer. Visit the official ESGR Website, and you will find resources, guides, useful services and more.


Airborne !!!!!

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Dude! You're outa line! JMO


Not denying that at all. At the same time I was just drunkenly venting outrage at the disrespect Guard and Reservist tend to get treated with.


I'm very aware of my employment rights, but as I said before I live in a non disclosure state. They have to provide 0 reason or documentation for firing someone. I went through it with the first one and got nowhere, the next 2 I just chalked it up to the nature of the beast.

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I dont suppose there is any way you could transfer to another state VT? Depending on your hobbies and stuff, and where you live now, maybe you could move someplace that would improve your situation in many ways.


1- A state that cant fire you for no reason


2- Someplace with a favorable political climate for the prepper, like Texas or Oregon (dont get your knickers in a twist if you love some other state, just throwing out examples ;) )


3- Maybe you live in a deathtrap like L.A., or NY, and could move someplace a bit less crowded.


I dunno... just looking for ways to improve your situation.

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I've had some guys who are retiring from the Guard/Reserve now tell me they have to wait till they're 59

to draw any compensation for their service. Go figure? I was also told it was based on points which I have

no idea of what they were talking about.


However, I must say I don't know your situation. Most employers cringe at the thought of having to go up

against veterans affairs regardless of what state they're in. You musta made a chit list or something. I've

made a few of those myself but it was the Capt. or LTCs. Usually followed by an azz chewing by the Sgtmaj.

It really pisses me to hear you've been done like that by employers.



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Anyone who swears the oath and dons a uniform deserves respect for that. Then a fair number toss that respect into the crapper with their actions.

I know you Guardsmen deal with a lot. I'm in Okla, our 45th got hammered over the past year. Seems like every funeral detail I was on here was for a parent/spouse. Most are home now thank God, and they've got the respect they earned and then some.

Thanks for your service, hold your head high.

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Done my time, 22yrs. Began raising a family on $619.00 a month back then. Lived off post, made house payments, utilities, insurances, car payments. Though the cars weren't much they got me where I needed to be.


$619 a month? Holy Cow! I made $90 a month plus an extra $20 because I was married. I made $425 as a butter bar; the hundred a month flight pay helped but darn, you guys are obviously paid way to much!


I used to always look at my bank balance when some clown in DC talked about how much 'EXTRA' we got that we didn't deserve.


I don't know, of course, but it has always been my experience that the loud mouths are rarely the one's who have actually been involved in a mutual lead exchange. The REMF's (rear echelon M..... F.....) always frosted my backside. The newbies will learn ... or die ... but the REMFs, we just never seem to run out of them.


Thanks for the thread VT; it sheds some light on a less pleasant side of what the guard is supposed to be and do.

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I dont suppose there is any way you could transfer to another state VT?


I've explored that option and was going to a few years ago, unfortunately I couldn't get my wife on board for the idea. This is her hometown so it was a no-go from the git-go. In retrospect I should have just done it and given her the option to come with or stay behind, I know that's cold but military service has hurt more than employment and I'll leave it at that.


Now with only having about a year left they cringe at the idea of state to state transfers. I'm okay with riding out the time I have left, I'm a little to banged up to reup so in about a year I'll be free to pull up stakes and head elsewhere, and Oregon has popped up on my radar for possibilities, with Texas being on the short list as well my sister lives down there and I'd like to get to know my niece.


Gilla, as far as I'm concerned ass long as no one died, needed emergency surgery was sent to prison or got put in the poorhouse everything else can be fixed. A couple of scrapes and bruises will heal, some scratches on my truck can be ignored or buffed out, but if the situation had gone sideways and a life had been ruined or lost it's passed the point of no return. I guess what I'm saying is the damage in this case is mild and temporary and if it had to go bad it couldn't have gone better.


Cpt Bart, if making a drunken fool out of myself illuminates a murky topic and others find it thought provoking or informative then it may have been worth the experience. Thanks for not holding a very rare night of drunken idiocy against me.

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