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when camouflaging in any environment you have to follow the big 5.

 

SHAPE: your body is going to be pretty obvious to people that are looking for you because of the obvious shape of it, two hands, two feet, one head ETC. you have to disrupt the shape of your body. use branches, twigs, a yowie/ghilli suit if you have one. anything to disrupt your natural shape.

 

SHINE: pretty simple one to understand. if something on you is shiny eg. watch, dog tags ETC, TAKE IT OFF. don't try and hide it by moving it to be covered because it will come out at the WORST possible moment and you will be spotted. also your face, it reflects light. so use things like cam paint, dirt, mud, ETC to hide your face and any exposed skin. (don't forget the eyelids! you blink your spotted!)

 

SILHOUETTE: this aspect applies more at night, but is still VERY IMPORTANT! if your standing during the night make weird shapes out of your body so it doesn't look like a body.

 

SOUND: if you move your going to make noise. pretty simple. so when you move make sure you minimize the sound you make.

 

MOVEMENT: when moving out in the field, it's pretty obvious that your not part of the natural landscape. when you move keep low to the ground and if you can see them THEY CAN SEE YOU!

 

NEXT POST: how to apply Cam cream, and use nature to your advantage.

 

questions? queries? feel free to post, message or Email me (jurugarian@hotmail.com)

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Minimize your movement with comfortable fitting base layer and a top layer that helps hide movement is ideal. The below is easy to take on and off. I do not use a camoflauge base layer b/c it limits the every day usage and it is nice to shed the camo and be in street clothers

 

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i usually make my own camouflage by tie dyeing old pants and long sleeve shirts. saves me money and i can get fairly creative in colors. gray green browns and a little dark colors for night time recon. face paint gives me hives so i use burned cork from wine bottles ..easy to get.

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Camouflage every 50 miles it changes here and seasons what we get of them wrangler jeans well worn

a BDU shirt OD green long sleeve 2 flap pockets and jungle boots a fishing net hammock replenish foliage

every time it seems needed compare to your surroundings a head net and OD boonie hat are part of the

ensemble I like gilly suit but all manufactured camo has limits going from high snow bound elevation to the

tree line or arid rocky terrain desert sometimes like on a short grass plane looking like a large rock but being able to slip away looking as grass the gully's and uneven land are great cover but every one who thought

there camouflage is good never has been able to tell us how it failed.

a persons movements should be close to the ground edges of shadows patients as well timing night is better but if it is still any large or quick movement is obvious in short we do our best it may seem odd but it takes a group training each in turn as a spotter radios to explain the mistake and notes I guess a video camera could be used solo remembering that a good pair of eyes can tell the difference it a few hundreds of an inch.

this is an art form and has numerous tools distraction misdirection doppelganger effects replacement and total cover but dogs are used now so attractants as well as cover or deployed decoys to temporarily or permanently disable the animals tracking ability ever mindful that scents unless perfectly controlled work both ways

its a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive and who ever thinks they are James shaken not stirred well you make an appointment and whilst laying on a couch you know the drill.....

I couldn't hide from my mother so i figure I ain't the best helps keep me grounded....

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sorry forgot to mention thermal has changed the game there is no magic anymore the only thing you can hide from is a dumb animal and they are not that dumb people are injured and killed by deer every season and

during the rut other animals we hunt have natural enemies if you get between them and their food scratch

one hunter nothing is certain and technology is tightening the noose.

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sorry forgot to mention thermal has changed the game there is no magic anymore the only thing you can hide from is a dumb animal and they are not that dumb people are injured and killed by deer every season and

during the rut other animals we hunt have natural enemies if you get between them and their food scratch

one hunter nothing is certain and technology is tightening the noose.

 

Do you have a thermal scope/vision because I don't. I would bet my life savings that most people don't. Maybe the local police will have a few thermal imaging devices and the military defiantly has them but I'm not planing on fighting them. There better armed and organized then me in almost every scenario I can think of. If I'm fighting normal looters who fall in that majority of the population category then camouflage is still very effective at concealing my position. Don't be so quick to hate on time tested concepts.

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sorry forgot to mention thermal has changed the game there is no magic anymore the only thing you can hide from is a dumb animal and they are not that dumb people are injured and killed by deer every season and

during the rut other animals we hunt have natural enemies if you get between them and their food scratch

one hunter nothing is certain and technology is tightening the noose.

 

animals are not dumb. they have thermal, radar, sight and smell detection built in.

 

i could hide from man made thermal much easier than trying evade an animal that wanted to get you (bear, mtn. lion, pack of dogs, etc...).

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having raised all kinds of critters like cattle horses goats chickens rabbits and had a couple of mules cats

dogs and even catfish I even helped a neighbor wrangle his emu's back when that was popular.

I have been bit pecked stomped squashed and run over butted clawed and drug by most things that got

hair feathers teeth scales and hooves bit by a water moccasin once scorpions spiders sprayed by a skunk that was an accident friend was involved the worst was pygmy yellow jackets and ground hornets.

and if you raise chickens everything in the world is your enemy everything loves chicken or eggs

when I was a kid I got to collect the eggs well that's like a surprise party every day never knew what you might find a rattle snake a moccasin copper head chicken snake or a king snake there are even blue indigos and numerous other snakes and bob cats & feral cats owls hawks possum raccoon feral hogs dogs foxes

if your going to farm or ranch you just get used to it

 

the other night heard something raising cane out the back door and the dog had it or so he thought it was a baby possum so cute now that I ain't got chickens so pulled him out of the washing machine must have

been following mom and fell in...trying to get food from the dogs bowl.

and the dogs are there for a reason there are a few meth heads that come and go cops keep them in

check so far but nothing comes in the fence after dark with out a couple of dogs chewing on it....

 

If you will notice I stated they are not that dumb {about animals that is }

but face it if you can drop them with a bow closer than 50 yards they ain't exactly clairvoyant

radar well we might be considered backward in the south but we don't eat or hunt bats.

well take that back as a kid I caught one for science class with a cane pole fine line and a fishing fly

 

scent has not been a factor in 40 + years so I do not worry about it see all these shows camo and

showering with special soap and themselves and gear spraying it all down then use a high powered rifle

that would down a grizzly go to a feed plot with salt licks feeders and piles of deercain and corn and call

that hunting

As I have hunted everything there is some with a camera most with a gun including some exotics

and was taught not to kill anything you are not going to eat or give as food waste not want not.....

now here we are required to feed care and protect and defend our livestock they are our responsibility

we have the right to use force to do so..

 

as far as black bear not worried about them too few in our area and unless they destroy my property or

threaten my animals or me I do not want to harm them I do not need a bear skin I got fleece it's cheap and keeps me warm for as many animals as I have done in there are none on my walls its just not something I

care for

 

panthers or as you call them mtn lion everyone needs to be I live 1 mile from a river about once a year may see one

aware of them but we used to hunt them with dogs. they have a large range so finding one is not easy

and just as well unless they are killing livestock just as soon leave them be.

 

packs of dogs are you talking about the one we had as a kid about 15 to 20 cow dogs they were not afraid of anything or anyone used to bite the tires on unknown trucks coming up to the house sorry not afraid

of dogs given some sort of protection and a tree with good climbing limbs .

We have had numerous packs along the rivers south of here we cull them out

feral dogs and feral hogs no season.

 

I go well heeled all the time so I do not want a problem but try to be prepared.

 

should TEOTWAWKI should occur well let just say anywhere near my place would be very bad

and as you say hiding from thermal is not impossible but I do not believe we should NOT let everyone

{get what I mean} needs to know

 

I have the available tech of the day solar electric fence barbed wire locks on gates dogs solar / battery

motion sensor lights and alarms on out buildings and a driveway sensors night vision blah blah part for

security the other to let me know when U.P.S. comes up, but my dogs seem to sound off before anything

else does...

 

All I can say if your afraid of any of these critters might as well go live in town.

before this area was mine I cleared and I had to eradicate many things that thought this was their place well when they pay the taxes they can have it back.....

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And by the way I have never been described thought of or even" considered " as most people

 

No doubt.

 

 

Could you consider the usage of periods, commas, capitalization when needed, and maybe paragraph structured writing on you lengthy post to make them easy to read and follow the point.

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Bamaman:

 

there in no point if you could not garnish even a grain of pertinent information from my wordy wanderings

well..

 

While most were still languishing in high school I was on the other side of the world.

out of my graduating class / if I would have stayed 3 of us left the country.

the rest of them well I am sure many went to disneyland or dollyworld

and will die withing 60 miles of where they were born.

So pardon my lack of grammatical pursuance as I whip out my droll machinations.

 

I have forgot more about living dying and killing than some..

most who have visited my home notice the lack of personal photos or mounts on the wall

I try not to look back and see clearly what lies ahead and if you will pardon

my local colloquialism, or racine a le terre {It AIN'T lookin' good for the home team...}

monetary collapse will occur how and when Soon and unsure could be a months but a probability within

reason a few years.

severity depends on your status and income now.

 

Why S&P downgraded the U.S.- this puts it in perspective...

 

• U.S. Tax revenue: $2,170,000,000,000

• Fed budget: $3,820,000,000,000

• New debt: $ 1,650,000,000,000

• National debt: $14,271,000,000,000

• Recent budget cut: $ 38,500,000,000

 

Let's remove 8 zeros and pretend it's a household budget:

 

• Annual family income: $21,700

• Money the family spent: $38,200

• New debt on the credit card: $16,500

• Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710

• Total budget cuts: $385

 

I have sent this e-mail to every one I know to set the point home.

and we need this blog and this thread and nit picking each other is detrimental to the real issue

Being prepared to hold out at least 6 moths or longer until some sense of normalcy appears.

 

Back to the thread the military conducted a study and found that OD green dirty weathered and

sweaty was excellent camouflage of course the new age night vision changed this digital camouflage helps until the newer units are switched to black and white output.

these units cost less than 500 dollars and thermal not as necessary as you may think,

a unit that costs less than 300 dollars can differentiate temperature variation now it does

not show a picture but in a survival scenario it gives you the angle and direction even in absolute darkness

with out the use of infrared and newer night vision can see infrared beams and lasers

but practice is needed to be familiar with false positives.

better run to catch up or we are divvying up your gear and leaving you for the vultures sorry wrong

Continent buzzards LOL .

 

I realize this may drive you crazy my jumping back and forth but for all who think you want to join a group

to defend themselves and restart civilization in this post apocalyptic brave new world as in a video game,

and share and share alike have patrols and watches guard the gates it's called Russia you can go there

now and get real time training its also called socialism and if it goes badly militarism and then dictatorship.

have we crawled out of the mire of oppression just to slide back into it.

what would Patrick Henry have said to you, George Washington.

many of our fore fathers lost everything including lands, wealth, family and their lives.

I will not and have not keeled kissed a ringed finger nor called anyone lord except my Lord in heaven nor

will I.

You can ask me anything but no one is telling me squat and I got the scars to prove it.

if you choose to bend over and grab your ankles all I can say is an old quote from Julius Caesar by way of

William Shakespeare

"Cowards die many times before their deaths; The valiant never taste of death but once."

and my own "rather a dead tiger than a live RAT."

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interestingly enough, thermals have difficulty seeing through glass. I would assume the same with such things as Mylar (which radiates heat back at you, hence the survival blankets made out of them). This would not be perfect, but if you combined it with say a blanket, then you may be able to create a dead spot where you would be. One thing I noticed in my short term of service, and through research, is that its not necessarily having the wrong camo that makes you visible, its being too dark or too light. I have seen a Marine literally disappear from view, in plain sight, wearing woodland cammies in scrub brush. The reason was that they were heavily faded (also known as "salty"). The Marines to his left and right were plainly visible wearing the same uniform, just newer. Your eyes search for contrasts all the time. If you eliminate what someone is looking for contrast wise, you can fool their brains into thinking that they are seeing something else. The problems I always saw were that we were either too darkly colored, or too light. Some camos are good for taking care of this (Multicam is a good one). They sit more in the middle of the contrast spectrum. this is what I have noticed, anyway. The more you try and match your surroundings, the better you will be, because you take away the contrasting nature of your body. Combine this with noise and light discipline, and you can disappear.

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......

Why S&P downgraded the U.S.- this puts it in perspective...

 

• U.S. Tax revenue: $2,170,000,000,000

• Fed budget: $3,820,000,000,000

• New debt: $ 1,650,000,000,000

• National debt: $14,271,000,000,000

• Recent budget cut: $ 38,500,000,000

 

Let's remove 8 zeros and pretend it's a household budget:

 

• Annual family income: $21,700

• Money the family spent: $38,200

• New debt on the credit card: $16,500

• Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710

• Total budget cuts: $385

 

I have sent this e-mail to every one I know to set the point home.

and we need this blog and this thread and nit picking each other is detrimental to the real issue ..........."

 

I am not nit picking.

 

You made a great illustration above by using some simple bullet points.

 

If you had listed that info in a massive run on sentence, burried in the middle of a 1/2 page reply, most people would not have read through the first half of your info.

 

I like the simplification and use of family debt example.

It is a very good point.

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I have so many things going on I just try to cram it all in and focus on the

answer.

I see some good info and sometimes too much info as I try to temper my answers so that no

one can use info against us as a nation.

 

I do like and like to trade information on the many other subjects most of us are mutually interested.

 

camouflage is as much of a science as an art and I love the fact that our military is the best

at everything, as they learn adapt and overcome.

 

so just follow their lead.

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interestingly enough, thermals have difficulty seeing through glass. I would assume the same with such things as Mylar (which radiates heat back at you, hence the survival blankets made out of them). This would not be perfect, but if you combined it with say a blanket, then you may be able to create a dead spot where you would be. One thing I noticed in my short term of service, and through research, is that its not necessarily having the wrong camo that makes you visible, its being too dark or too light. I have seen a Marine literally disappear from view, in plain sight, wearing woodland cammies in scrub brush. The reason was that they were heavily faded (also known as "salty"). The Marines to his left and right were plainly visible wearing the same uniform, just newer. Your eyes search for contrasts all the time. If you eliminate what someone is looking for contrast wise, you can fool their brains into thinking that they are seeing something else. The problems I always saw were that we were either too darkly colored, or too light. Some camos are good for taking care of this (Multicam is a good one). They sit more in the middle of the contrast spectrum. this is what I have noticed, anyway. The more you try and match your surroundings, the better you will be, because you take away the contrasting nature of your body. Combine this with noise and light discipline, and you can disappear.
I like your idea of mylar or survival blankets. Sounds logical, i'll have to look into it. Thanks for info...

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i know this goes without saying (though assuming this will get you into trouble very quickly, so here goes) if you are leaning against the glass, you will heat it, showing a silhouette that the thermal imaging device can pick up. As long as it is the same temp as the outside, or the rest of the house, it acts as a shield. thermals are great, but have limitations, and if your game knows them, they can utilize them against you. i dont think putting mud all over your body ala predator will make you invisible (maybe to 1980 tech, not the tech of now) but it may cool you enough to blend into the environment. many of the systems the military uses pick up such subtle difference in temp, that at close range you can make out pieces of gear that the person is wearing. Its pretty sick. But that is high grade military tech, and I am unsure if the police have that level yet (though it wouldn't surprise me). Just keep that in mind. If you understand the principle of baseline, and how it works, you should be ok. Semper

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Another great way to die ur clothes is to boil them in a big washpot with walnuts or other indegenous fruit/nut in ur area. Walnuts that grow where I'm from back in bama are amazing at covering u with a natural scent for hunting and it will die ur clothes a blackish turd color lol but hey its not a fashion statement.

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A problem with blocking thermal is that the "black hole" can be as big a give away as the flaring heat signature. If I'm out in the summer and I've got high ambient and then something 30 degrees cooler you can bet I'm taking a MUCH closer look at that spot.

Against modern military gear, I doubt we could do much. The thing is, thermal imaging is still relatively rare and I doubt there would be much of it in use post TSHTF if it is widespread. Isolated cases, could be available if you are being searched for but wide spread use is not likely. The return on the investment of very expensive gear really is not worth it for most agencies to have it in wide spread use.

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I agree Capt. and the black hole is definatley a good point. I musta missed that in Boot, lol. I guess if you want to try and disguise that, you need to figure out a way to break up the thermal signature. But the chances of you having to deal with thermals, post <insert disaster here> and not want to be found are pretty slim. And with military hardware, getting more and more sophisticated, they will eventually get around those pesky problems like glass, and thermal blankets.

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I must say Very Interesting ideas presented. The question of do the police have thermal....maybe....but the fire department very likely does as they use it to help determine if someone is in a smoke filled building. Remember the VC? They used underground bunkers with great success. The wacko who just gave the movement a bit of bad press did fairly well in disappearing his setup but forgot the basics....smoke travels and if you park the same vehicle in the same place often enough someone will remember it.

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i usually make my own camouflage by tie dyeing old pants and long sleeve shirts. saves me money and i can get fairly creative in colors. gray green browns and a little dark colors for night time recon. face paint gives me hives so i use burned cork from wine bottles ..easy to get.

 

Easy to get??!! Decided to try your burned cork. I do not drink wine so I had no cork on hand.... have you ever tried to get a wine bottle cork from a "Wineo"? They just do not want to give it up. Found out that most of them get screw top bottles.

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Almost as important as your camo is knowing the difference between the crest of a hill and the military crest of the hill, which is as high as you want to get to stay unseen. When you are on the crest of a hill you stand out like a sore thumb. Your body outline will give you away. Another good reason to use suits which break up your outline. Just like when you are hunting tree rats, even when they are sitting still, nothing stands out like those ears on that well defined head.

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Easy to get??!! Decided to try your burned cork. I do not drink wine so I had no cork on hand.... have you ever tried to get a wine bottle cork from a "Wineo"? They just do not want to give it up. Found out that most of them get screw top bottles.

 

LOL, Vis 9. How many do you want? I'd be glad to send you some

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